Topic: The Ethereum Paradox - page 39. (Read 99876 times)

I only made an account on this stupid website because i was shocked to see only Anti ETH FUD threads from the likes of benthach and others.

If you didn't have benthach you wouldn't have me. Im just the other side of the coin.  Action - reaction.

4 or 5 guys that hype the price up you mean? no way in hell you believe all the bullshit you keep on spamming on every etherium thread. you are just here to pump the price and then you leave with the profit. if eth is so great why do you need to make it your job to spam and harass everyone that dont believe in eth and telling everyone that eth will change the world. just make your money yourself and let us none believers be.
Nothing that is as great as you say , need to be defended this hard. and why do you care if we dont think eth is all that? oh ya then we dont buy in and the price wont go up go figure.........

Ah, thanks for the links - I don't have time to keep track of all your posts, so it is good to get a summary on occasion.

Do not feed the panic-stricken trolls who want naive greater fools to buy fake price and volume during the interim time until Casper fails.

How am i panic stricken,  you're the one who is panic stricken.  You along with all the other ETH FUDers on this board.  There's a huge majority of threads trying to FUD ethereum, and like 4 or 5 fans of ethereum who post in them defending ethereum.

Anyone can see the only people panic stricken are the bagholders of failed coins and bitcoin maximalists of this forum.

Oh, and the panic stricken would-be shitcoin developer im replying to.

Seems like a load of tired old bollocks now doesn't it.  Why are you trying to FUD something that doesn't exist yet?  Why don't you FUD it after it's released and your points might have some substance.

This was addressed:


Here:


And here:

I don't believe you responded to me yet

You are losing the plot my friend.  Maybe you need to take a month break from these forums that will be good for your health.

Did we fail to?

Can we respond to the literate ones?

This is a good summary
http://ethereum.stackexchange.com/questions/573/what-is-a-shard

ilia7777,

Frankly I have 10,000+ posts. Do you expect me to redefine everything I already defined for each newbie that comes along and hasn't done his homework. Are you paying me to be your secretary?

You do some research and reading, so you can come up to speed.

Why don't you start with for example this white paper from Bitcoin experts that talks about scaling issues:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/study-suggests-bitcoin-needs-major-changes-to-scale-up-1378112

If you aren't aware of the Bitcoin scalepolcaplyse ongoing, then you definitely have not been around here long.

Edit: another couple of threads that are more verbose than the above linked white paper:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/decentralized-crypto-currency-including-bitcoin-is-a-delusion-any-solutions-1319681
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/satoshi-didnt-solve-the-byzantine-generals-problem-1183043

Do not reply to the panic-stricken technologically illiterate trolls.

I'm technologically literate enough to tell that your arguments don't amount to anything

I need to start by explaining everything about block chains. You are ostensibly lacking the very basic levels of technical understanding. But there are no stupid questions if they are sincere. Probably many readers would have a similar confusion.

Normally the way a block chain works (whether it be proof-of-work or proof-of-share) is that there is one ordering of transactions and blocks that the system forms a consensus on. The key point is that every validator validates every transaction and every block, thus each validator can be sure that there is nothing invalid is the consensus ordering. Note that any particular ordering is arbitrary as there are other orderings that are also valid, but the consensus chooses one ordering from the many arbitrary valid possible orderings. The consensus never chooses an invalid set of transactions nor an invalid ordering.

But when every validator has to validate everything, then the block chain can't scale and remain decentralized.

So Ethereum proposed to shard (partition) the validation such that scripts are assigned to a partition and can only operate on block chain state that has been validated for that partition. Any state stored on the block chain for other partitions is only validated for those other partitions. In short, partitions can't share state, because the validators can't assume that state they did not validate is valid. Because such an assumption would put the validators in a Prisoner's Dilemma game theory wherein the Nash equilibrium collapses.

So thus gas balances being a block chain state could only be spent within their own partition. So thus if you as a user have your gas balance stored in partition 536 and you want to run a script in partition in 1279, then you can not (not without entirely breaking the mathematical model of the security of Ethereum).

The only way to fix that is to not do sharding. Period.

Thus Ethereum can't scale decentralized. Period. There is no fix they can do (at least not anything they are contemplating ... although I have an idea of how to solve this problem with unprofitable mining but I am the only person with that idea).

Read what I wrote again more carefully. And make a rebuttal if you have one. Adding noise to the thread by writing this "read again" doesn't help at all. I read it already. I already explained why it doesn't make any sense. Where is your nonsense rebuttal?

Edit: for the source and destination partitions to merge (even for the history and not the future), means they need to validate each other's history. That is my point that then separate validation is lost. Thus the entire scaling advantage of partitioning is lost. Read again what I wrote! How can you not remember something I wrote just a few posts above:

How am I panic stricken.  I'm loving life right now.  You're the one who is literally dying of stress

Read what I wrote again more carefully