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Quote from: bittraffic on July 07, 2023, 11:56:38 AM

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on July 07, 2023, 06:01:27 AM

Well, things are definitely getting heated up as Elon's Twitter has or is in the process to file a lawsuit against Meta for launching a rival app called Threads.

It's only hype, there's no guarantee threads will survive in the long run as many people still like to discuss in reddit and twitter. The biggest reason why twitter has a huge traffic is they allow porn videos, most of social medias not allow this especially it created by Mark. I don't know threads will accept porn videos or not, but I think it's not. So twitter is still able to survive regardless any social medias come up.

I don't think the fight would happen, Elon's mom didn't allow it.

It reminds me something that happened some years ago, with a social media that allowed NSFW videos and pictures. I think it was tumblr or maybe I am wrong. Anyways, if I recall correctly they decided to terminate any content which contained pornography and people started to migrate from there.

In the case of threads, I think it is still too early to say, but considering how some media have been attacking Musk this last year, I would not be surprised if Threads ends up having the backing and advertisement support of many in positions of power, in order to damage Musk's ego and wallet.

Myspace was once like that allowing NSFW until social media was used in politics and there goes myspace whacked. Threads will probably be used to censor topics just like what Twitter was before Elon took over. There are powerful people behind Zuckerberg launching to counter Twitter. They wanna grab the attention and not allow people to watch Tucker Carlson on Twitter.

As for this fight to happen, it really might not happen at all. Musk has much to do.

I learnt one of the reasons for the successful creation and launch of Meta's Thread, is due to the fact that Mark hired many of the employees and top executives who worked at Twitter before they got fired, prior to the acquisition by Elon.

These new employees were of course the brains who designed Twitter and still has access to its secrets.
Let's hope this Thread by Meta won't orchestrate or lend voice to political manipulation or become a tool against the users privacy.

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Quote from: Hispo on July 07, 2023, 11:29:04 AM

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on July 07, 2023, 06:01:27 AM

Well, things are definitely getting heated up as Elon's Twitter has or is in the process to file a lawsuit against Meta for launching a rival app called Threads.

It's only hype, there's no guarantee threads will survive in the long run as many people still like to discuss in reddit and twitter. The biggest reason why twitter has a huge traffic is they allow porn videos, most of social medias not allow this especially it created by Mark. I don't know threads will accept porn videos or not, but I think it's not. So twitter is still able to survive regardless any social medias come up.

I don't think the fight would happen, Elon's mom didn't allow it.

It reminds me something that happened some years ago, with a social media that allowed NSFW videos and pictures. I think it was tumblr or maybe I am wrong. Anyways, if I recall correctly they decided to terminate any content which contained pornography and people started to migrate from there.

In the case of threads, I think it is still too early to say, but considering how some media have been attacking Musk this last year, I would not be surprised if Threads ends up having the backing and advertisement support of many in positions of power, in order to damage Musk's ego and wallet.

Myspace was once like that allowing NSFW until social media was used in politics and there goes myspace whacked. Threads will probably be used to censor topics just like what Twitter was before Elon took over. There are powerful people behind Zuckerberg launching to counter Twitter. They wanna grab the attention and not allow people to watch Tucker Carlson on Twitter.

As for this fight to happen, it really might not happen at all. Musk has much to do.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on July 07, 2023, 08:00:06 AM

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on July 07, 2023, 06:01:27 AM

Well, things are definitely getting heated up as Elon's Twitter has or is in the process to file a lawsuit against Meta for launching a rival app called Threads.

It's only hype, there's no guarantee threads will survive in the long run as many people still like to discuss in reddit and twitter. The biggest reason why twitter has a huge traffic is they allow porn videos, most of social medias not allow this especially it created by Mark. I don't know threads will accept porn videos or not, but I think it's not. So twitter is still able to survive regardless any social medias come up.

I don't think the fight would happen, Elon's mom didn't allow it.

It reminds me something that happened some years ago, with a social media that allowed NSFW videos and pictures. I think it was tumblr or maybe I am wrong. Anyways, if I recall correctly they decided to terminate any content which contained pornography and people started to migrate from there.

In the case of threads, I think it is still too early to say, but considering how some media have been attacking Musk this last year, I would not be surprised if Threads ends up having the backing and advertisement support of many in positions of power, in order to damage Musk's ego and wallet.

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Quote from: Docnaster on July 07, 2023, 06:47:18 AM

~snip~But they're already having clashes in the internet space as a result of the latter's launch of another social media app called Thread which has similar features with Twitter. Elon Musk has initiated so many rules on Twitter since he took over the ownership of the app which majority of the app's users aren't cool with and thus the excitement and switch of these users to the new Thread. 30 million users signed up on the app on it's first day and still counting. Twitter might be a thing if the past in time to come because many it's users are switching to Thread

It's a competition after all, but Zuck doesn't seem to have enough ideas to make a different look than has to be the same as Twitter. This is the conflict of geniuses and they fight using genius companion weapons. We can't interfere and can only see who is better.
Regarding Elon Musk's policy on Twitter which has experienced development, there are indeed many who don't like it and the policy regarding the Purchase of Blue Checks will be used by bad people to create fake accounts that look genuine for the purpose of deceiving others. But who is the best, Twitter or threads? it's a choice for each of them both are equally great but whoever is older is still the current ruler.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on July 06, 2023, 12:03:30 PM

But, age doesn't matter as they say. Elon might be old in terms of age but he doesn't look old physically. His build are still fine and it seems he is working out regularly. He is also productive like Mark because if he isn't then he won't have different large companies.

These two big personalities already prove something to their selves and the rumored fight that is going to happen is only just a friendly match to give us entertainment. You don't want to watch it? Maybe you are just a boring person. I don't think a collab for the both of them will happen because Elon owned Twitter which is a known rival of Facebook and it's been a long time since these sites are competing for each other.

But age still matters because his physique might not be able to survive if the fight goes on for too long. And we know youth lasts longer than old age so Mark is just waiting for Elon to look tired and end it all.

By the way, Mark launched the Threads application, which is similar to Twitter, making Elon feel that Mark copied Twitter. And this will be an interesting drama to watch because there will definitely be tough competition between Elon and Mark. That is what I heard from the local news.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on July 07, 2023, 06:01:27 AM

Well, things are definitely getting heated up as Elon's Twitter has or is in the process to file a lawsuit against Meta for launching a rival app called Threads.

It's only hype, there's no guarantee threads will survive in the long run as many people still like to discuss in reddit and twitter. The biggest reason why twitter has a huge traffic is they allow porn videos, most of social medias not allow this especially it created by Mark. I don't know threads will accept porn videos or not, but I think it's not. So twitter is still able to survive regardless any social medias come up.

I don't think the fight would happen, Elon's mom didn't allow it.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on July 07, 2023, 06:01:27 AM

Well, things are definitely getting heated up as Elon's Twitter has or is in the process to file a lawsuit against Meta for launching a rival app called Threads.

This new app has already gotten more than 10million downloads and the count is climbing.

Perhaps this is really a sure sign that the said fight would happen. I doubt still, that the proposed fight has got anything to do with physical exchange of blows and aggressive punches.
It looks more like a chess board kinda move fight, with lawyers and a grand jury and the world markets, online/offline bet sites, including DEX, all paying attention to each of their next moves.

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https://www.npr.org/2023/07/05/1186149939/meta-launches-its-rival-app-threads-as-it-takes-aim-at-twitter

The physical fight between Elon Musk and Mark Zukerberg might not happen as reported in the media because I don't see any reason why two billionaires would come on stage and exchange punches.
But they're already having clashes in the internet space as a result of the latter's launch of another social media app called Thread which has similar features with Twitter. Elon Musk has initiated so many rules on Twitter since he took over the ownership of the app which majority of the app's users aren't cool with and thus the excitement and switch of these users to the new Thread. 30 million users signed up on the app on it's first day and still counting. Twitter might be a thing if the past in time to come because many it's users are switching to Thread

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Well, things are definitely getting heated up as Elon's Twitter has or is in the process to file a lawsuit against Meta for launching a rival app called Threads.

This new app has already gotten more than 10million downloads and the count is climbing.

Perhaps this is really a sure sign that the said fight would happen. I doubt still, that the proposed fight has got anything to do with physical exchange of blows and aggressive punches.
It looks more like a chess board kinda move fight, with lawyers and a grand jury and the world markets, online/offline bet sites, including DEX, all paying attention to each of their next moves.

Visit link:

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/05/1186149939/meta-launches-its-rival-app-threads-as-it-takes-aim-at-twitter

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Quote from: klidex on July 06, 2023, 02:42:49 PM

I have a different opinion that Elon Musk has a better chance of this actually happening.
From his body shape, I'm sure Elon musk has greater strength than Mark, even though Elon musk has never smoked, but for this match, not only health but physical strength is also very influential.
Another thing that I can predict if this match actually happens I think Mark will not be able to beat Elon musk with a smaller body.[/left]

Agreed on Elon.

This so called fight is never going to happen, but let's talk about the hypothetical possibilities. Elon is much taller and heavier when compared to Mark Zuckerberg. Age is the only domain where Mark gets the advantage. But IMO, Elon looks healthier than Mark, and both these individuals don't suffer from any serious health issues at this point. I really hate Mark Zuckerberg, because he is the same guy who stole the idea of cryptocurrency and then tried to replace Bitcoin with his nonsense Libra project. In the end he had to shelve his plans though.

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Quote from: Ondekinecakabilirim on July 06, 2023, 12:34:25 PM

I know this is a joke. Elon can't fight Mark anyway. Because Mark has a really fit body and does sports regularly. On the other hand, Musk does not have a good body. Also, I've seen him smoke pot before on a radio show. Elon is more witty and smarter. But he doesn't stand a chance against Mark. I think he knows that too. That's why he's only bringing this up as a joke. I don't think they will ever fight. But this issue will probably continue to be on the agenda for a while in the world of magazines.

I have a different opinion that Elon Musk has a better chance of this actually happening.
From his body shape, I'm sure Elon musk has greater strength than Mark, even though Elon musk has never smoked, but for this match, not only health but physical strength is also very influential.
Another thing that I can predict if this match actually happens I think Mark will not be able to beat Elon musk with a smaller body.

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So even though I know nothing is going to happen, I'm just curious to hear what the actual reason was behind all this if that ever happens, I doubt if they will reveal the reason behind this to the public but I'm sure there is something which we can't see and they are doing it only for that.

They won't fight that is for sure! META the Instagram parent company is copying Twitter. They have recently launched a feature know as Threads few hours back and all of this is just a marketing gimmick to promote this new feature. If you want to how it all started then you need to read the OP. It is all written in their as usual everything associated with technology billionaires is either promoting their projects on their platform or manipulating the markets. We did saw how Elon Musk deliberately manipulated Bitcoin price and a meme coin price using Twitter and later bought it when he relaized the power of social media.

Do they have to resort to gimmickry if they are going to launch something, both technology giants can launch a platform and their users will easily adopt it, just like the first time Mark Zuckerberg launches
Instagram and recently, reels, right now it's still a hot topic and both camps are not backing up but you are right until they sign a contract the fight is still questionable.

I don't think so. Making a speculative fight doesn't really make sense to me just because they are planning to launch something as the names like Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk surely doesn't need something like this just to become relevant in the public and so that the people will know if they are launching something or not. The question now is why Mark was the one who launched it first when in-fact it was Elon who started this engagement? As I said, doesn't really make sense.

While Elon was trying to turn Twitter into a town hall of the world and video hosting site, Facebook is about to kill its plan. Doesn't sound like a gimmick, they are rivals. This is like China vs the US already lol Zuckerberg for US while Elon for China.

There were reports that Zuckerberg is developing a Twitter-like platform that will compete with the real Twitter bought by Musk. This is a threat to Elon's new toy and seems like the war is really on between the two. It's just unsure if they will really be doing it physically.

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I know this is a joke. Elon can't fight Mark anyway. Because Mark has a really fit body and does sports regularly. On the other hand, Musk does not have a good body. Also, I've seen him smoke pot before on a radio show. Elon is more witty and smarter. But he doesn't stand a chance against Mark. I think he knows that too. That's why he's only bringing this up as a joke. I don't think they will ever fight. But this issue will probably continue to be on the agenda for a while in the world of magazines.

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I can't really say if it will happen or not as I don't see or heard something that is worth fighting for, I mean they are both a successful men in their generation, and there is no need to prove those things in a fight as they will just be a laughing stock in the public, fighting for nothing.

But aside from that, I think there's something going on behind the scenes that only Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg knows. I cannot say what it is because I don't know either and it will be revealed once a fight date will be announced soon. But if there will be no fight that will be announced next month, I guess they are just fooling around and even drag White with it.

After all, the two are of different generations because Elon is already old, while Mark is still young and productive. It won't prove anything at most it's just a matter of who has the most fans. After all, that fight was also unnecessary.

It's better if the two of them can collaborate to create something more useful for people, especially those who use the internet. It will increase their popularity instead of fighting or making tweets that can create panic or chaos.

But, age doesn't matter as they say. Elon might be old in terms of age but he doesn't look old physically. His build are still fine and it seems he is working out regularly. He is also productive like Mark because if he isn't then he won't have different large companies.

These two big personalities already prove something to their selves and the rumored fight that is going to happen is only just a friendly match to give us entertainment. You don't want to watch it? Maybe you are just a boring person. I don't think a collab for the both of them will happen because Elon owned Twitter which is a known rival of Facebook and it's been a long time since these sites are competing for each other.

Age does matter if the sports is pure physical. Also Elon is not build for physical sports during his young age since he spend most of his time on his business and eating bigmac for dinner. Zuckerburg is trained for this kind of sports and he can beat the hell out of Elon if this will really happened. The only reason why Elon gain a lot of support since he is popular and many believes on an underdog story.

But if if the match will not be scripted and just pure fight. Elon will be a punching bag and might not gonna last even a round against a black belt BBJ. He needs a lot of cardio training just to be up for a full round.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on July 03, 2023, 12:13:30 AM

Quote from: Maslate on July 02, 2023, 01:05:37 PM

I can't really say if it will happen or not as I don't see or heard something that is worth fighting for, I mean they are both a successful men in their generation, and there is no need to prove those things in a fight as they will just be a laughing stock in the public, fighting for nothing.

But aside from that, I think there's something going on behind the scenes that only Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg knows. I cannot say what it is because I don't know either and it will be revealed once a fight date will be announced soon. But if there will be no fight that will be announced next month, I guess they are just fooling around and even drag White with it.

After all, the two are of different generations because Elon is already old, while Mark is still young and productive. It won't prove anything at most it's just a matter of who has the most fans. After all, that fight was also unnecessary.

It's better if the two of them can collaborate to create something more useful for people, especially those who use the internet. It will increase their popularity instead of fighting or making tweets that can create panic or chaos.

But, age doesn't matter as they say. Elon might be old in terms of age but he doesn't look old physically. His build are still fine and it seems he is working out regularly. He is also productive like Mark because if he isn't then he won't have different large companies.

These two big personalities already prove something to their selves and the rumored fight that is going to happen is only just a friendly match to give us entertainment. You don't want to watch it? Maybe you are just a boring person. I don't think a collab for the both of them will happen because Elon owned Twitter which is a known rival of Facebook and it's been a long time since these sites are competing for each other.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on July 06, 2023, 08:05:59 AM

So even though I know nothing is going to happen, I'm just curious to hear what the actual reason was behind all this if that ever happens, I doubt if they will reveal the reason behind this to the public but I'm sure there is something which we can't see and they are doing it only for that.

They won't fight that is for sure! META the Instagram parent company is copying Twitter. They have recently launched a feature know as Threads few hours back and all of this is just a marketing gimmick to promote this new feature. If you want to how it all started then you need to read the OP. It is all written in their as usual everything associated with technology billionaires is either promoting their projects on their platform or manipulating the markets. We did saw how Elon Musk deliberately manipulated Bitcoin price and a meme coin price using Twitter and later bought it when he relaized the power of social media.

Obviously they won't fight because none of them are professional fighters and neither of them have any grudge to beat the other physically.
Although it would have been hilarious if they would have actually fought against each other but this one just looks like an IT war or something.
They might be competing each other in some kind of implementation or may be taking the top on the billionaires list.

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Quote from: Bananington on July 06, 2023, 11:15:52 AM

Quote from: elevates on July 06, 2023, 08:15:48 AM

Quote from: TheGreatPython on July 06, 2023, 08:05:59 AM

So even though I know nothing is going to happen, I'm just curious to hear what the actual reason was behind all this if that ever happens, I doubt if they will reveal the reason behind this to the public but I'm sure there is something which we can't see and they are doing it only for that.

They won't fight that is for sure! META the Instagram parent company is copying Twitter. They have recently launched a feature know as Threads few hours back and all of this is just a marketing gimmick to promote this new feature.

You may be correct about the rumors of this fight between the two of them just being a marketing gimmick, But to whose benefit? Because it was Elon Musk who made the challenge for a fight, and Mark accepted. But this so called marketing gimmick has favored Mark Zuckerberg more so far because of the success his project has recorded in just the first day of launching "Threads". Maybe this is the fight already happening and we all just thought it was going to be something physical. Elon and Mark are not exactly friends, so it is hard to think that Elon Musk actually knew that his chatter with Mark will lead to a new social media application being launched, that has exact features as his twitter.

Was this intentional? Maybe yes or maybe no but it cant really be removed into our minds about those probabilities that it might really be the sole exact reason on why they have mold out this cage fight up or just that Mark is really just having this good timing on launching up his app and now it do really go along with the current hype and noise that they are making which i could say that it is really that a huge or good marketing i should say or really that would really be that effective. Its true that when it comes to money then it doesnt really have no sense about these billionaires is trying to rack up on which it is really just that normal that people would really
be seeing the other way around when it comes to benefits on something like this on which we do presume or assume out that it would really be on this kind of possibility.

Well, its not our business if they would really be pushing out this cage fight, there might be some that not interested but this is something that you cant just resist. Grin

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Quote from: aioc on July 06, 2023, 10:48:50 AM

Quote from: elevates on July 06, 2023, 08:15:48 AM

Quote from: TheGreatPython on July 06, 2023, 08:05:59 AM

So even though I know nothing is going to happen, I'm just curious to hear what the actual reason was behind all this if that ever happens, I doubt if they will reveal the reason behind this to the public but I'm sure there is something which we can't see and they are doing it only for that.

They won't fight that is for sure! META the Instagram parent company is copying Twitter. They have recently launched a feature know as Threads few hours back and all of this is just a marketing gimmick to promote this new feature. If you want to how it all started then you need to read the OP. It is all written in their as usual everything associated with technology billionaires is either promoting their projects on their platform or manipulating the markets. We did saw how Elon Musk deliberately manipulated Bitcoin price and a meme coin price using Twitter and later bought it when he relaized the power of social media.

Do they have to resort to gimmickry if they are going to launch something, both technology giants can launch a platform and their users will easily adopt it, just like the first time Mark Zuckerberg launches
Instagram and recently, reels, right now it's still a hot topic and both camps are not backing up but you are right until they sign a contract the fight is still questionable.

I don't think so. Making a speculative fight doesn't really make sense to me just because they are planning to launch something as the names like Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk surely doesn't need something like this just to become relevant in the public and so that the people will know if they are launching something or not. The question now is why Mark was the one who launched it first when in-fact it was Elon who started this engagement? As I said, doesn't really make sense.

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Quote from: elevates on July 06, 2023, 08:15:48 AM

Quote from: TheGreatPython on July 06, 2023, 08:05:59 AM

So even though I know nothing is going to happen, I'm just curious to hear what the actual reason was behind all this if that ever happens, I doubt if they will reveal the reason behind this to the public but I'm sure there is something which we can't see and they are doing it only for that.

They won't fight that is for sure! META the Instagram parent company is copying Twitter. They have recently launched a feature know as Threads few hours back and all of this is just a marketing gimmick to promote this new feature.

You may be correct about the rumors of this fight between the two of them just being a marketing gimmick, But to whose benefit? Because it was Elon Musk who made the challenge for a fight, and Mark accepted. But this so called marketing gimmick has favored Mark Zuckerberg more so far because of the success his project has recorded in just the first day of launching "Threads". Maybe this is the fight already happening and we all just thought it was going to be something physical. Elon and Mark are not exactly friends, so it is hard to think that Elon Musk actually knew that his chatter with Mark will lead to a new social media application being launched, that has exact features as his twitter.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on June 22, 2023, 03:37:23 PM

I followed a rather hilarious development between Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk. Both billionaires want to have a fist show down on who is top boss or for other reason

LOL. That's how the rich try to compete to determine whose strength will be the victor. My question is does betting on this require KYC? Grin

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on June 22, 2023, 03:37:23 PM

My question is if this is just one of many marketing gimmick to make money or create awareness for a project they might be working on.

It seems that no one knows for sure, is this their trick and strategy in increasing marketing to make money or not? Because competition for millionaires is sometimes beyond logic and of course related to the projects they are working on. Possible?

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on June 22, 2023, 03:37:23 PM

Who would win of course?

Nobody knows and I vote for Elon Musk.

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Can such a fight influence the crypto and stock market world majorly?

If you have ever heard how Dogecoin was pumped when Elon Musk found a very precise moment at that time and it will surely have an impact on the course of the crypto world. But I believe it will only going on in the short term.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 05, 2023, 08:51:08 PM

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Quote from: peter0425 on July 05, 2023, 07:05:58 AM

but if they are going to have weapon then maybe there will be a different result Grin

Elon Musk is actively engaging in fitness and action aswe can see in His built and indeed that no doubt he will win if the fight happens near time.
but if this will be happening in the next 5-10 years? while Mark is now practicing boxing as internet says? maybe the result will go sideways.

Good one! Next 5-10 years will be all different as Musk will grow old by 10 years and would be 61. Zukberg will be only 49 and he would still be fit at that time. Mark would become a pro in boxing by that time and who know he might learn some other martial art, it won't be easy for Musk to defend him and most probably he won't accept the fight. As the probability of Mark winning the bout will be high than Musk

Age is just a number. For example, Arnold Schwarzenegger is 75 years old. If there is a cage fight between him and someone like Logan Paul (28 years old), who do you think will be the winner? IMO, Musk looks much more athletic and healthy when compared to Zuckerberg. BTW, the real fight has already started, and it is between Twitter and Threads (Meta). Zuckerberg believes that support from left-wing loonies will help him to overtake Twitter in micro-blogging domain. I will be more skeptical. Replacing a well established platform such as Twitter will be extremely difficult.

Everything has its own beginning and I wouldn't be surprised if this newly launched platform that is called "The Thread" will surpass an app like Twitter that has been known for quite some time now but it won't be that easy because an app like Twitter is more established compared to this new app.

About Mark and Elon's fight (I don't think it will indeed happen by the way), I don't really know who got the upper hand because it turns out that both of them have trained with Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu even before this fight surfaced through the internet.

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