Topic: The forum culture is to kill all newbies? (Read 1279 times)

I reported his post as a double post. He probably wants everyone to hear him. But RainbowKun, you should not do this, especially since writing on this topic also approaches the wording "off-topic." Since the topic is not about you. There is an active topic in which you are arguing about your personality and the army that accompanies you.

Hey man, seriously, you are in a forum, nobody is going to read such a wall. In other forums, not so worried about quality, you would receive a lot of responses to this post, along the lines of: "didn't read, lol."

For my part, and said a little jokingly, if I were the dictator of this forum, I would put you a temporary ban of one week for such a wall.

The wall of text is utterly amazing but altcoin shilling in Meta is major cringe. Say what you want about being nasty to newbies however the OP isn't really a newbie anymore and after all this drama should really know better. I don't think we need more ignorant shitcoining on this forum.

I guess this is what you get when you combine passion for a forum, various different personalities, and the ways of earning money from something you're passionate about. Unfortunately, this has led to a culture that is quite hostile to newbies, whether it's intentional or simply because users have become fed up with the amount of abusers, and account farmers on the forum, the result is the same; it scares away legitimate users.

At least, taking away from your other remarks, scares away a particular demographic; i.e usually of the older generation. Since, it appears that the internet in general is a toxic breeding ground, and when you sprinkle in a little bit of anonymity people usually say, and act more maliciously than they would in person. Social media has seemed to exaggerate this, and is common among the younger generations.

I've talked to it before, I like to give the benefit of the doubt whenever possible, but that's quite  difficult at times, and while I don't completely blame those for automatically being suspicious of new users due to the nature of the forum, and well the nature of people themselves. I do wish we were a little more welcoming overall.  

I touched upon this indirectly above, but I would like to put emphasis on this; I don't think this is a particularly toxic place when you compare it to other social medias, and other discussion forums, but rather it's due to the shift in culture, and the factor of being pseudonymous.

Was not referring to scam busters et al. Ja, they are actually a rather vital group of folks needed here to keep some semblance of sanity in the Forum.  
I was referring to a few folks who I've come across that seem to think it is their mission in life to hunt down newbs and ridicule them vs trying to teach them the errors of their ways.

Ja. It is a sad reflection of today's culture. Folks today have easy access to technologies that were undreamed of just a few decades ago yet have no interest at all in what led to them nor even the basics of how they actually work...  

I'm not sure who you're referring to by the rule-breaker hunters, but I don't think scam busters or those who sniff out plagiarism are bad apples at all.  If we didn't have members looking out for stuff like that, it would be rampant.  It already is rampant, and as far as plagiarism goes (since that's one of the biggest problems and one that will get a member permanently banned), it should be something every member ought to know not to do.

I tend to agree with you about the newer generation and how they use social media and how it might relate to the way they use this site, except that many new members of the forum come here just to get involved in sig campaigns and bounties, and not only are they not interested in technical discussions, they're not even interested in expressing much of anything.  The result is a lot of generic posts that repeat thoughts/ideas, are poorly written, and don't contribute anything to whatever the topic of a thread is.  I'm not sure how much you can educate those kind of members.

Aside from some bad apples who get their jollies by hunting down rule breakers, the Forum culture is NOT to kill all newbies - it is to educate them.

Unfortunately far too often the 1st thing that has to be taught is how to use this forum - or for that matter any forum.

To me it seems that far too many folks think this place is like Facebook, Quora, redit, etc where people post their random thoughts anyplace and anyway they like. I put that to a generational thing where today's generations are so used to having smartphones and texting about everything under the sun that it simply never occurs to them that this place is a TECHNICAL message board and that means there are guidelines on using it. As such they never bother to even look at what the rules are much less take a little time to scan through the forum to see if their question(s) have already been answered.

As my forum name implies I will be among the 1st to point out mistakes they make but follow that with the reason they are a mistake and, what to do about it. I am also very quick to notify mods if a post is in the wrong area (or is utter trash) so it can be moved to where it belongs. For those who refuse to learn and continually violate the Forum Rules then yes, I say ban them.

The other side of the coin applies: I have given many newbies their 1st merit. All it takes is that it be a valid question that has not been asked before and seems to come from an educated individual vs someone who is oblivious to properly learning on their own. My main goal here is to provide useful information where I can. Having been an EE since the mid-1970's I have gained a vast pool of knowledge that ranges from circuit design, power systems design and construction including building infra, computers and at least basic programming, etc. which I share whenever possible.

New here? Well then spend a few days browsing the various sections before posting. Ya just *might* find answers to the initial question(s) you have and even more importantly, along with starting the process of learning and gaining insights into what mining as all about you will probably develop more questions that can be properly targeted..

Let's welcome the mission, which saves newcomers with its teachings from all malicious members of the forum who dream of hiding all the rules and destroying as many newcomers as possible.
You made my day.
Can I create an icon for you?

My angle is that newbies should learn that a newbie mistake can lead to permanent ban afterwards. I also opened a thread telling newbies that "posting in the forum without reading(learning) is suicidal. @kxwkwxxkw admitted he committed plagiarism, but it was just his first post as a newbie when he was not aware of any rule. Though I am unaware if he committed further plagiarism save his first post.
It's a lesson because what everyone is expected to do in any forum or group he joins is to ask for the rules guiding the forum even before posting.


Obviously, it does not make sense because, the admins or moderators might not be aware of your apology. It just pains me to see that someone is banned for an avoided case.


I do not act, I am not acting sir. I do not teach everyone what you called insignificant. I always mention that they are directed to newbies.
You are pretty old in this forum and such topics seems to piss you because you have seen them severally or you wish you can hide all the rules about plagiarism to the newbies so that you can fetch fresh victims daily.

Show me at least one of your plagiarism, which was found by you. I have not even read that post of yours, and it amazes me how selfish people can be, promoting their topics everywhere.
You act as if you are an expert and so experienced that you teach everyone with your insignificant posts.

Plagiarism ends as permanent ban when it is reported and handled by global moderators or admins. I think permanent ban hammers are only used by them, not moderators.

Saying apology does not make sense, if your plagiarism report is handled as approval by admins/ moderators. If they don't see any value and reasons why second chance should be given, that user will be permanent banned.

What's your angle here? Thinking that if you suck up to sockpuppet hunters then you might avoid kxwkwkxkwkk's fate?

So, @kxwhalexk is banned for plagiarism?
It's a pity.
I remember sometimes in the forum I created about 3 to 4 topics in the B/H bordering on plagiarism. I also noted that a plagiarism committed as a newbie can be used against you even when you get to senior member and above. Why peopleplagiarise in the forum and how to avoid plagiarism
I emphasised on plagiarism to the extent that some users began to question if it's only plagiarism I could bring to the table.
@kxwhalexk admitted to committing plagiarism as I read in a thread. He apologised and I thought he was forgiven.
Surprisingly his crime(plagiarism) was resurrected and used against him.
This should be a big lesson to the newbies.

I would have thought that all the account farmers would have learned to avoid complaining in Meta by now.  Starting a topic in this subforum to whine about how vigilant some of the users are here is like putting up a request asking for those very people to shine the brightest possible spotlight on everything you've ever done.  The only thing they achieve is to draw more attention to the shady stuff they're doing.  

Do you also shoplift and then get into a debate about morality with the cashier regarding how strict they are about that, all while trying to hide the stuff you've not paid for?  It's that level of dumb.  

Fair enough, but you have to admit that this forum is complex.
[edit: I am as much amused as annoyed by this whole incident, nearly hanged for non-participation. I understand the need to watch for cheaters, but that results collateral damage. =/ ]

I didn't think my post was unclear, but I could have stated more clearly that:

1) RainbowcityDAO's linked facebook account had on the same day the exact post of the RainbowKun bitcointalk account (1 July 2021)
and 2) RainbowKun had not previously posted before that date, which means that he had no reason to have a fan base to be impersonated.

That doesn't make any sense as the RainbowcityDAO account was using that address before kxwhalexk posted it on Twitter for the first time.




You should examine whether what you are saying is actually applicable to a situation before attempting to introduce it as a "what if...." You are just needlessly interjecting confusion.


And now we see what the motivation actually was: to join a bunch of bounties and sig campaigns. And you need at least 10 merits for a sig campaign, right?

Sorry for this, but I will retract my previous remarks insofar as these accusations seem close to the truth (in my opinion) and knowing one of them has been banned. Due to forum rules, if your alt is banned, you are not personally allowed to contribute to this forum.
Honestly I appreciate the friendliness, but if the fact is that you have other intentions with "covert" tactics, it will disappoint anyone even you have never been involved with.

Last words, good luck elsewhere.

I see three kind of newbies on the forum. First are the one who really are new to cryptocurrency and search for help or information. Second are the newbies who are here only to earn through bounties, giveaways and etc. Third - alts. They are here to cheat and to scam. They are mostly developed from “second” kind of newbies. And people are here to search for third kind of newbies to prevent bad things. Because of that, real newbies suffer. No one tries to kill newbies, but due to cheaters, newbies are under surveillance.

Seriously--and if I'm not mistaken, he's not allowed to post outside of his ban appeal thread and I've reported him for that. 

Kxwhalexk1, if you make a new account in violation of forum rules, you'll be sniffed out.  Guaranteed.  Other members have tried it (like mdayonliner if I'm not mistaken) and failed, and the community has seen enough of your posting habits to know who you are, and I doubt you'd be able to sufficiently change how you write that you'd be able to elude detection.  Just don't do it.  You're not welcome here.

I suspect that a lot of us felt that way.

It's a money-based forum, so selling or promotion aren't in themselves bad, but that tie with money makes any manipulation all the worse.

Anyways, ratimov, I will have to relook at your analysis and see where I can learn.

This guy is such a lying scumbag and he is digging deeper hole for himself with every new post he makes from all of his puppet accounts.
The plot thickens and we missed some fun times in forum so I wonder when are we going to see new movie coming up called ''Banning of all Rainbow's alts''?

Dude, give it up already, you are banned, in jail and there will be no mercy for you in mao zedong style, because people in bitcointalk forum are not stupid.
Try finding some other place for your fake promotion and stop wasting your time here.

I can imagine a sophisticated account attack where someone were trying to discredit another user using impersonation and then bad practices, so do think that it's important to be cautious in more than one way. However, I owe @Ratimov an apology.

It should be noted that the profile of @kxwhalexk was created on 09 June 2021: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kxwhalexk-3339476
which was a month following the the post by RainbowCityDAO, who also used RainbowCityFinance and included the kxwhalexk twitter handle in their post on 01 May 2021 (linked to by @nutildah and @YOSHIE).

Those precede the use of RainbowCityKun's account -- created 10 Sep 2020, but first posted in July 2021:
Eric, aka @kxwhalexk aka @RainbowcityDAO as above, posted on his facebook profile which he linked the "Bitcoin is a new civilization" on 01 July 2021 by linking to a reddit post by reddit user 7RainbowCity: https://www.reddit.com/r/Rainbowcity/comments/obhs04/bitcoin_is_not_just_a_currency_but_represents_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
This topic was posted to reddit on the same day as the same topic on this forum by @RainbowKun, 01 July 2021 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-is-not-just-a-currency-but-represents-a-new-human-civilization-5346930
While RainbowKun was registered many months before DAO, Kun's first post on this forum was that post on 01 July 2021.

There is still a 0.1% chance of my initial sentence, but 0.1% is not much.

Damn it. =/

kxwhalexk, I advise you to stop creating multiple accounts. That you linked to your real name and facebook account (I assume) might mean that you have some degree of naivete and innocence, and perhaps actual belief in the ideology of bitcoin. Contrary to that, since it appears that you created multiple accounts to support a single one, you should know that is poor behavior and can only discredit you. You would get much further here with a solid, single account that contributes to the forum.

This post was particularly bad form:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57569855

I've been watching this topic on Reputation & Meta for 3 days, this is the first time I'm dizzy, my eyes are red when I read everything here.

@nutildah, I thumbs up, every day there is something that makes the suspect cornered.

@nutildah, this is his Twitter name: @RainbowcityKun, how come it's the same as the account name you posted, maybe, maybe, by chance.....!

https://archive.vn/wip/as0XO

What can be said between @RainbowKun & @kxwhalexk, is it possible that they are the same person, in terms of Twitter names, 90% can be said so, Did i miss something.

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Telegram is also the same, city

I'm sure Jazmin and Ghoul will explain it to you shortly.

OK let's address some of these misconceptions you seem to hold about the motivation behind our actions.


I would not consider his posts to be "excellent;" as a matter of fact I reported a few of them as spam and they were deleted. His posts looked forced, like they were translated from a foreign language article, and frequently parts of them made no sense in English.


No, he was regarded as your alt account because you have a similar posting style.


He didn't actually "create value" for the forum. That is just your opinion.


No. You know full well kxwhalexk was banned for plagiarism. And it wasn't just a one-time thing -- he had done it multiple times.

Speaking of kxwhalexk, is this his Twitter handle?



Because that address has been used on the forum before:



So, uh... I guess the only question I have left is:

Why aren't you and kxwhalexk the same person again?

This is only a personal opinion and just as many people will disagree with me on this:
Erasing a bad thing you said (like it never happened) is not as good as leaving it up, apologizing for it, moving forward and never doing it again.

But the following advice is pretty standard and you are not so much of a "newbie" that you don't know better than not to do this...

You're going to register an ALT account?
That's not going to go well----and isn't it part of the thing you're being accused of doing?



Few people want to scroll through your threads of disputes.
If you have something to contribute then do it. If you are making claims to some accomplishment in TRW (the real world) then prepare to prove it or be called out on it.

lovesmayfamilis, I have always respected anyone in the forum, including you, and we have also had some exchanges in the article. I have now cancelled the bad words in this post.But this time I think you are too partial to Ratimov, you did not consider the problem from the perspective of me or a newcomer. At the same time, you are not a victim of this incident, so you cannot understand how the victim feels, how angry the victim is.

For example, to change you to my position, think about it in another way. You have just come to the forum for more than a month. You spend a lot of energy writing articles here every day, publishing an original article every day, and then spending a lot of energy communicating with friends who reply to the article. Gradually you have accumulated a certain reputation in the forum. Then, suddenly one day, a person ran out. He spent 8 days fabricating various data, and finally told everyone loudly: lovesmayfamilis, you are a big liar, you have formed an alt army, you are embezzling the forum Merit, you are deceiving the forum's assets. Then dozens of people swarmed up. This is a big liar, kill him. Then everyone takes a magnifying glass to check each of your posts, verify whether each sentence is plagiarized, and then if there is a sentence that is consistent with the one on the Internet, immediately say that this is a plagiarism, report to the administrator, and put its account Sealed.

Then there are various ways to chase, intercept, and want to kill this account. Isn't this the attack I have encountered in the past two days?

Through this post, the attacker generated a huge sensation, gained more than 50 merits, and gained praise from countless people on the forum. However, I became a liar that everyone shouted and beaten for no reason.

Would you feel angry if you were in this position? Still, it doesn't matter, I can register another account.

During this attack on me, @kxwhalexk was involved. He came to the forum in the past few months and achieved excellent results. As a result, he was regarded as my alt account because the account was blocked for the first post it posted. Why didn’t you close his account on the first day? But after he has worked so hard to create value for the forum for three months and then banned him because of his posts on the first day? Isn't this banning potential newcomers because they are involved in the struggle?

This is the hard work he has achieved in the past three months, but he got involved because of others attacking me. If you stand on my side, won't you be angry in your heart? Are you not disappointed in the forum? Such an excellent newcomer was directly banned because of the attack?

This is why I am complaining here, why the old people of the forum should do everything in their power to suppress the potential newcomers in the forum. This is why I am so disappointed this time. But in the future, I will try my best to adapt to the culture here, because I am a big fan of Bitcoin.



_Miracle, hello, I have removed that word now. In the text above, I have described my mental state. I came to bitcointalk with a very sacred attitude. I hope to work with my friends here to promote the idea of Bitcoin and the spirit of Bitcoin. Therefore, I spent a lot of time and energy trying to write and reply to articles every day. To perfect my philosophical thinking about Bitcoin, I have slowly accumulated a certain reputation. However, I was slandered suddenly, saying that I was a big liar and abused the forum's merits. I am really very angry. I feel very disappointed here too. Maybe it was because I thought this place was too bright at the beginning, and I didn't expect the coldness and darkness here. After this incident, I will slowly adapt to the environment in the future. In any case, I am the most loyal fan of Bitcoin.




Hello, noorman0, thanks for your suggestions. What I want to express here is that although I have given some sMerit to some novices, more of the sMerit are given to higher-level people. At the same time, although I gave it to some novices, I was serious and responsible for every sMerit I sent out. Because they all created effective and valuable comments and conducted various valuable exchanges. I will also organize these comments one after another for everyone to see. Let everyone see if I am sending merits to some spam replies. All my merit records are open and transparent.

Similarly, I write articles and exchanges here every day in order to accumulate my reputation and become friends with more users in the forum. Various businesses will happen in the future. So, when others directly slandered me as a liar, I was very angry.

But no matter what, after this incident, I will continue to write and share my in-depth thinking about Bitcoin. I hope that more friends can share my articles and share the ideas of Bitcoin, because my articles are for everyone in the forum.

Maybe someone can point out to me what was actually suspicious.
The post that RainbowKun linked to had no strong evidence against him, and even admits to that in the first post, other than proving that a subset of users are in China -- and using China as the argument to discredit them. And that some new users give out some of their merits to him, which isn't entirely unexpectable.

It looks like the search for plagiarism against RainbowKun was a witchhunt to get him banned, considering it looks like he posted evidence just now that he indeed authored posts that were claimed to be plagiazisms.

So, what's up?

I published articles in many media at that time, and some accounts are no longer available.

This is my account on a Chinese encrypted social media, bihu. This link is the article nutildah another searched for. This is the link from that year.This is the link from that year.

https://bihu.com/article/1285422


This is the introduction of my personal homepage, I have put the sentence "I am RainbowKun on Bitcointalk" on it, you can check it.
https://bihu.com/people/159860


I did this in my media as you wanted, and I posted a short article。
https://m.bihu.com/shortContent/1105603687?i=1CCcaQ&c=2&s=1cP01x

@The Ghoul, while it's understandable that you're angry when someone throws an accusation/ allegation against you, it's not advisable to leave a negative tag/ feedback. Tags are meant for scammers or users that are suspected to be involved in dishonest activities as highlighted by Miracle.

If you're the original author of this article, it shouldn't be so hard to prove. I can't read the site, but if you're the author, can you just add a link saying something like: "I published this article in English on Bitcointalk, using the name RainbowKun". That would add a lot of credibility to your story.

And leaving negative trust because you were "angry"  about something someone posted is really bad form.

Trust is for transactions.

Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ   *it is at the top of this section
                                                      https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657



Marketplace trust                                                       
                                                      https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/marketplace-trust-211858

Suchmoon is really good at explaining their responses so it won't be long for that.


I think you guys are really new to "western internet" and it can be rough online in the free world. 

This site is tame compared to other places but they are not going to moderate every dispute:
You are going to have to learn how to moderate your own behavior and how to use the ignore feature.

Sockpuppet means someone creating a few accounts to talk to one another, making it seem like they are all by different person.

The link to the Chinese article mentioned by nutildah above is an article from 2018. Below the article is the author’s contact information: the WeChat QR code.
Just contact him and let him prove that he is rainbowkun.I tried to do this, but there is no response at the moment.

What does "sockpuppet" mean? Is it a technical term?

Yes I would call that the start of a potential flame war.

*and you have completely missed the irony in my prior post

How does wechat solve anything? You could easily sockpuppet multiple chats.

I think he called him "scumbags" to the person who said he was a liar when he was very angry. Of course, Ratimov also said it when he was angry, but the scum and the liar are still human, just not What a good word.

Because I was really angry at the time, and of course that was the first time I used the trust function. If Rainbowkun’s matter is resolved, I will automatically delete his negative trust.

I don't want to hurt anyone for no reason.

I don't see any tag on your account, but you sent a negative one to Timelord over him calling you out though...

To respond to OP title:
Newbie status in the forum does not always reflect that the person behind the account is actually a beginner, especially in this forum. Some ways of writing beginners can be identified that they are actually old members of the forum, or several accounts belonging to one person. So, basically can't be sure whether the newbie account is personally owned by the newbie. That's why there's no difference in privilege between the ranks to be suspect.

To respond to OP accusation.
Because after all sMerit is valuable, and very regrettable if distributed to the wrong people (if proven). You are not constrained to deny accusations as best you can with honest evidence. Sometimes there are things that are impossible to prove because of a principle (eg anonymity) and your evidence can be rejected by some members (perhaps subjectively judged). The final judgment is based on the point of view of each member and the fact that some people don't care about one's reputation.

By the way, will these accusations (account farming) prevent you from writing articles? And after all you write articles for everyone, right? I think this kind of accusation is only disturbing if the accused has a business.

Bitcoin is certainly worthy---so focus on bitcoin.

"peaceful coexistence" doesn't include calling other forum members "scumbags".


"is this the culture forum? A culture of bullying newbies"

Most of us have been newbies and somehow made it through.



I'm a long time member of quite a few forums---I read more than I post on most of them.
I'm also a member of a couple scooter forums----I love motorcycles AND scooters. I grew up around bikers (the type that some may consider "hardcore") and let me tell you...
 those scooter forums can get friggen' ruthless.

I have sent you a PM and changed one of my social media introduction information according to your requirements. Please check it.

There is a QR code at the bottom of the article. I think you can add what you said "KUNYUAN" as a contact to verify if it is the original author. Download a wechat. Why don't you investigate further since this step has been investigated?

I just added KUNYUAN, but no response so far.

I desperately need Rainbowkun to prove himself. This way I can get rid of the alt tags imposed on me.

I tried to reply to that article by Ratimov, but I gave up. That post is too confusing. But ratimov mentioned my name again today, accusing me and them of using the same image conversion website.


https://sm.ms

This website is my most frequently used website. Yes, I am Chinese. If you search for "图片转换成链接" in google. sm.ms is the first few searches in google.



Yes, they gave me another tag.. I think I have to go to Ratimov’s post to explain....

Thank you for asking this question. First of all, this is just a sentence on the Triffin Dilemma in the wiki, an introductory sentence. What problem does the Triffin Dilemma solve? You can read my entire article. This sentence is just a declarative language that belongs to the Triffin Dilemma. The point of view in my entire article is to interpret the Bitcoin problem from the perspective of the Triffin Dilemma, and look forward to the future development direction of Bitcoin. From Triffin Dilemma, I interpret that a super-sovereign currency must appear to solve the problems of the current world monetary system. In the future, Bitcoin can definitely grow into a super-sovereign currency.

Here, the Triffin Dilemma is a known historical event and common sense of economics. Anyone with a background in economics can know exactly what the Triffin Dilemma is. This is common sense knowledge. Therefore, this article is also an introduction to common sense knowledge.


For example, I said some introductions of Newton:

In his paper "The Laws of Nature" published in 1687, Newton described universal gravitation and the three laws of motion. These descriptions laid the scientific view of the physical world for the next three centuries and became the foundation of modern engineering.

This is also common-sense physics knowledge. If I put this sentence in my article, is it also plagiarism?

I hope everyone can read my entire article carefully to see what point of view this article expresses, whether this point of view is reasonable, and whether you agree or disagree. Rather than chase and intercept from here, take out every single sentence to see if there is exactly the same description, and then complain about plagiarism.

What I hope to do more with you is the exchange of academics and ideas.





I just saw this message you sent, let me edit it again. First of all, I am Kun Yuan himself. The article you posted was published by me in 2018. However, I am not the Senior Algorithm Engineer for Alibaba Group and Google Scholar you mentioned, this person is not me. I also don't have a LinkedIn account. But I can try to use other methods to verify my identity. I also sincerely hope that you can read every one of my articles to understand what kind of person I am.

Mr. Kun, without trying to invade your personal privacy any further, could you perhaps just add a line to your LinkedIn page that says "I am RainbowKun on Bitcointalk"? You could place it in the About section, for one day.

If you can do this, just as a temporary measure to prove your identity, I will personally apologize to you for calling you a liar and a cheater.

You are making the situation more worst. This isn't the right approach to defend yourself. It's a general behavior to creating a thread once we notice something suspicious. Suspicious means perhaps there is something wrong and not yet well-proven. So you may defend and explain it.

I am wondering why are you questioning forum culture? As far as I can see this forum is enough friendly for newbies. But yes, the forum isn't enough friendly for abusers and spammers. I am always quite soft with newbies and I notice most established users are soft as well. There will be always different thoughts, but for a few people, we shouldn't judge overall forum culture anyway.

Don't be aggressive by creating a lot of threads on the same topic. You weren't tagged nor even a single neutral tag I found on your profile. So please handle with care whatever issue you are facing.

I would like to know what is going on in this article about Kun Yuan? Is there any connection between RainbowKun and Kun Yuan?

I have extreme doubts about this. Why would you text spin your own article? Why not just say you were this person from the beginning? You have also taken excerpts from articles that are clearly not yours.


Here is the original:



Did you also write this wiki article? 

Yes, you did a great job and searched for my article written in Chinese in 2018. I am the original author Kun Yuan, and I am also from China. Later, I will introduce my resume in the crypto world. My energy is mainly used in writing and the design and development of smart contracts. You can't frame me for forming a Merit Corps and abuse Merit just because I am a Chinese. If I can see the face of a Chinese on the forum, I feel very cordial. I believe that if you find the faces of your country on the forum, you will also feel very cordial. I will introduce my experience in detail later.

The problem is you. You're a liar and a cheater. It is you who is cheapening the value of the forum by flooding it with plagiarized and spun text that you claim to be original thought (it is not).

For example, your topic

Bitcoin, switcher for mankind from Carbon-based to Silicon-based civilization

is almost a word-for-word translation of this article:

``Kunyuan Original Serial 6'' blockchain is a switch for human beings to evolve from carbon-based to silicon-based civilization

This article is three years old and I don't believe you are the original author. For example,




So... let me guess what you're going to say next: you are actually Kun Yuan, Senior Algorithm Engineer for Alibaba Group and Google Scholar, right?

I was astonished to see two of his threads on the reputation board, and now another here on meta, all pointing and repeating the same issue. I won't be surprised if I see another one on B&H tomorrow or next.



If Satoshi were still alive, the forum would be more strict than it is now. There would be no signatures or bounties, and all discussions would be about bitcoin and technical issues, so there would be no drama. The introduction of signatures, bounties, merit, and the trust system added a lot of drama to the forum, and the only way to survive is to develop a thicker skin, or you'll get kicked off. Nobody here cares about your feelings; just your deeds are important.

If you look closely at the reputation board, you'll notice a lot of drama, lies, and accusations amongst both reputable members and Newbies, indicating that no rank is immune to scrutiny or research, which is the beauty of the forum.

OP, go to your profile and check the amount of merit you have received so far. Are you sure this forum has a culture of killing all newbies?
Go to this thread and I believe you should change your thread title to be more specific. [TOP-200] Members who support newbies - Thanks!. Even the real Ratimov accuses you, include of being one of the most helpful users for newbie to develop with merit and I see it has helped 523/ August 13, 2021.

I firmly believe that newbie are the most important part of the bitcointalk forum apart from we had millions of high rank users before. Nothing will harm newbie if they don't break the rules like spam posting, palagiarism, abuse of merit, abuse of campaigns. They will have to take responsibility for their own actions, they will be ignored and others will be tagged.

It's good that you are responding constructively to the accusation by Ratimov. But why are you creating so many threads here and there? You have created two threads in reputation and one more here in meta. Couldn't you create one thread and share your arguments in the same thread? It would be of more benefit for you to have all the points presented to the community.

Yes, the 2 words I added later

Did I miss something in your post?  How is what I wrote in contradiction to what you wrote?  I'm saying the forum isn't prejudiced against newbies--and I also like newcomers who aren't spammers (though as I said, that's the exception rather than the rule). 

It's actually the opposite (of prejudice): I like seeing new users who aren't spammers, it's what both Bitcoin and the forum need to grow.

Seriously.  OP is just aggravated that he got caught up in the alt account ring that he's suspected of being a member of--and for good reason IMO.  The fact is that if the forum in general were prejudiced against newbies, OP wouldn't have been able to earn all of those merits he did, nor would all of those other new accounts involved in the alt ring.  It's only after the merit-givers think they've been hoodwinked that there's any blowback, which is what OP is now seeing.

That's true IMO, and as soon as I start to let my guard down as far as handing out merits to newcomers, shit like this happens.  Now I'm going back to being very skeptical about any newbies who make well-written, high quality posts--because that's the rare exception, not the rule, and cases of that deserve scrutiny.

That depends on which perspective you are from, I mean if newbies says that they feel alienated in this forum then there must be some sort of truth in those words. For me, the only thing that makes it difficult for newbies to navigate is that they don't have the guide, there's a guide yes but it's so passive that it's not encouraging them to go further.

The forum has come a long way and newcomers have always been and will be different. Fraud detectives have also been and will be. If you check old themes, you will be surprised that one person can own a farm with hundreds of alternative accounts.
Newbies are always under scrutiny since in the history of the forum it was they who were scammers, cheaters, etc. The forum is familiar with deception, therefore, "once you get burned on milk you blow on water"
For example, here are a few past topics where dozens of newbie accounts were exposed, abuse of transfer of merit, and more.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49708048
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46990586
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47498423

So stop building drama. The insults that you say about Ratimov are much rougher than what he laid out against you. Are you inviolable?
On the contrary, I was surprised by Ratimov's good nature, with which he generously distributes merit to newcomers, who later went into the ban. And then we see an experienced The Pharmacist looking suspiciously at newcomers. Since the proverb about milk fits here too.

Considering the fact that majority of new accounts created here are alt accounts made for some sort of abuse, members of this forum are not as strict towards newbies as some (and you) might think.  

And yeah, man up and stop QQing so much. These things happen on the forums and if you wanna be a part of it, grow a thicker skin and start dealing with it. Genuine newbies have nothing to worry about, while scammers and all those trying to abuse rules usually find out that that what can pass on other platform, doesn't fly here.

And how the hell you know what's an insult to Satoshi Nakamoto?

Bitcointalk is a community made up of the members here, which you are a part of, there are admins, but no particular central authority which makes all the rules arbitrarily.

Also, you have survived this far on the forum and in less than a year earned over 200 merits from a large range of users, so many other new members have done the same, but we still get repeated complaints of newbie discrimination.
This is a decentralized forum and as such, light trolling and personal scathes usually go on unmoderated, affecting both new members and much higher ranked members. There is no particular privilege given to higher ranked members and newer ones are not picked on.

I have written a response and will continue to provide new information. To be honest, I never cared much about who gave me merit, and the smerit I got was given away. The acquisition of all my merits is based on the writing of a large number of articles. This is what I think I am continuing to create value for the forum. I am very disappointed with bitcointalk now. It is too difficult for novices to survive here, and it is difficult for real new users to survive.

I don't think nowadays this forum is harsh for newbies. The other way around, I often get "hate" response from newbies who have toxic attitude. I advise you to keep the drama inside the reputation board, and solve the problem/accusation there with proofs. You have an abnormal merit count though, so his suspicion is understandable.

No, this culture forum is sharing knowledge earning money through signature/bounty campaign. Also check https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/top-200-members-who-support-newbies-thanks-5034141.


IMO Satoshi would be more insulted with KYC, Bitcoiner who only care about profit and effort to centralize Bitcoin.

 In the past four to five years, learning made me a believer of Satoshi Nakamoto and Bitcoin. I’m willing to devote all my energy to Bitcoin. I know bitcointalk is the most precious heritage Satoshi Nakamoto left, so I want to put my in-depth thinking over Bitcoin in here. It’s a sacred thing for me.

I spent most of my time writing during July and August on this forum, striving to publish one article everyday and interact with users. In less than two months, I started a total of 48 topics.

In bitcointalk, I have always adhered to an attitude of peaceful coexistence and communicate with others politely but now I’m suffering vicious assault from Ratimov who condemns me as an alt farmer. That bewildered me as a newbie.

Worse still, there are some people, without learning the truth, deem suppressing newbies as an amusement.

I wanna ask, is this the culture forum? A culture of bullying newbies. Is this still a sacred legacy left by Satoshi Nakamoto? Why is it taken over by some tyrants and bandits?

This is my response:

Ratimov, do not get deluded by pride or hatred

Everyone is supposed to think independently, not be subject to any gossip or slander.