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Topic: The hardfork will make Gavincoin plummet to zero - page 6. (Read 11296 times)

legendary
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You made my day  Cheesy. However I think we need the hardfork, let see if all the bitcoiners will follow it or not.

Of course! I am PRO raising the limits especially when there are no arguments besides the minor technical limits of a bloatchain which can be solved. I am also a hobbyist miner and I think that trying to impose higher fees with a 1MB block limit is simply retarted. Because Bitcoin may go to 10$ and we will be again in this position where the miners will barely afford to run miners.
legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
Conclusion of this thread:



Gavincoin is so scary, will Satoshi arrive in time to help us?  Roll Eyes
Seriously, we need a sub-forum for obvious trolls.
legendary
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#Free market
i don't see me downloading 2.8GB every day just to sync up - and i know almost nobody will do that, that's why gavincoin will be the loosing fork (that was the basic point of the thread)

HEY RETARD! YOU WILL NOT NEED TO DOWNLOAD 2.8 GB EVERY DAY JUST TO SYNC UP! IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

You made my day  Cheesy. However I think we need the hardfork, let see if all the bitcoiners will follow it or not.
legendary
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Marketing manager - GO MP
sad to see the responses here.. check here for reason

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-the-constant-push-to-have-only-the-one-blockchain-946745

upgrade yes.  bloat, no.  we're no where near any limits and markets SHOULD decide themselves.  

please lets not let others abuse the bitcoin blockchain.  btc blockchain is for btc transactions ONLY.
It's for anything miners include into a block

That's how Bitcoin works, miners can include anything they want into blocks and the only mechanism bitcoiners have to incentive them is including fees.
As far I know there is no mechanism in place to ensure data in the blockchain contains any transactions at all. It could be just my personal photos I'd want to be backed up and if I pay enough fees miners will probably add them to the blockchain.

You can argue there should be such a mechanism ensuring blocks are made up of transaction data, and I'd agree. That would require yet another hardfork.
legendary
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i don't see me downloading 2.8GB every day just to sync up - and i know almost nobody will do that, that's why gavincoin will be the loosing fork (that was the basic point of the thread)

HEY RETARD! YOU WILL NOT NEED TO DOWNLOAD 2.8 GB EVERY DAY JUST TO SYNC UP! IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

He does understand. Anyone taking the time to perpetuate a thread like this knows exactly what they are posting even if it is full of deliberate mistruths. Thinking it will exert any market influence - now that is retarded!
legendary
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i don't see me downloading 2.8GB every day just to sync up - and i know almost nobody will do that, that's why gavincoin will be the loosing fork (that was the basic point of the thread)

HEY RETARD! YOU WILL NOT NEED TO DOWNLOAD 2.8 GB EVERY DAY JUST TO SYNC UP! IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
tss
hero member
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sad to see the responses here.. check here for reason

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-the-constant-push-to-have-only-the-one-blockchain-946745

upgrade yes.  bloat, no.  we're no where near any limits and markets SHOULD decide themselves. 

please lets not let others abuse the bitcoin blockchain.  btc blockchain is for btc transactions ONLY.
8up
hero member
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It's not completely without risk, but i did some more reading.
It seems this will be very carefully planned in phases, yet unknown when.
It's also the only real option we have for bitcoin to make it future proof.


I would like to have seen a more 'smart' solution though than just increasing the blocksize. Something that will automatically scale on demand, like the difficulty.

All in all it's not as bad as some here would have us believe.

This is the second post of yours when you are being reasonable rather than a book talking doomer troll. I can't speak for the rest of the forum but I like you better when you aren't transparently trying to manipulate the price...

+1
legendary
Activity: 1176
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It's not completely without risk, but i did some more reading.
It seems this will be very carefully planned in phases, yet unknown when.
It's also the only real option we have for bitcoin to make it future proof.


I would like to have seen a more 'smart' solution though than just increasing the blocksize. Something that will automatically scale on demand, like the difficulty.

All in all it's not as bad as some here would have us believe.

This is the second post of yours when you are being reasonable rather than a book talking doomer troll. I can't speak for the rest of the forum but I like you better when you aren't transparently trying to manipulate the price...
legendary
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^^^
misinfo/disinfo

what a compelling counter argument to the facts I presented. bravo.

Just put this troll on ignore, your arguments are completely valid, and beyond his level of comprehension apperaantly. I have explained exactly what you said, in several posts across several threads, and mainly this lupus guy responds with his bullshit.

He's pretty much the only one who thinks that way, and I wouldn't be surprised if the others are just his alts.

Bitcoin needs to upgrade to advance, and it needs to do so soon. We can't risk having bitcoin collapse under the 1mb limit when the next surge of new users come in. Which for all we know could happen tomorrow.
Q7
sr. member
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Come on, do we need to show that level of sarcasm? Fact is, if we don't do it now to increase the size, when will we? Just need to start to plan for the future and I see this is as one of the solution.
legendary
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Merit: 1001
It's not completely without risk, but i did some more reading.
It seems this will be very carefully planned in phases, yet unknown when.
It's also the only real option we have for bitcoin to make it future proof.


I would like to have seen a more 'smart' solution though than just increasing the blocksize. Something that will automatically scale on demand, like the difficulty.

All in all it's not as bad as some here would have us believe.
legendary
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Conclusion of this thread:

full member
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I'm sure 5 years from now, 4TB SSD's will be cheap enough that the common PC will have them.

I'm also sure that Google Fiber (or similar services) will be a lot more common around the world as well, boasting speeds of 1 Gbps or higher.

In any case, there is way too much vested interest to just let Bitcoin fail. The software will simply continue to adapt and evolve.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1007
You wanna know why I know the OP is trolling/an idiot?

It took us 6 years to hit a blockchain 30 GB in size.

Now OP is making claims that the blockchain will suddenly grow more than 30GB every two weeks if the 20m cap is implemented. (2.8GB/day).

I don't even wanna......


You can fit all 6 years of transactions on a $50 1TB hard drive, over thirty times lol... Nothing to worry about.

He is also claiming that the blocks will fill from the first day we hard fork (which will happen in a minimum of 6 months I guess). He is claiming a lot, but he fails to have valid points and he also fails to back his statements. He only throws and eats shit from his master MP.
full member
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You wanna know why I know the OP is trolling/an idiot?

It took us 6 years to hit a blockchain 30 GB in size.

Now OP is making claims that the blockchain will suddenly grow more than 30GB every two weeks if the 20m cap is implemented. (2.8GB/day).

I don't even wanna......


You can fit all 6 years of transactions on a $50 1TB hard drive, over thirty times lol... Nothing to worry about.
legendary
Activity: 1904
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More simple, he posted on his blog. details here In summary, he believes bitcoin is something that only the wealthy should want/need to use and that it isn't meant to be for everyone. Hence why he sees no need for the change.

I did post my view on MP's post here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10377700 and will re post it for visibility

MP is a sensationalist and he likes drama and attention. In my view in business and in ecosystems there are no people, there are only ideas. Starting his article mentioning the person behind the idea is simply bad intended from the start. Right after that he starts praising MPEx which again has absolutely nothing related to the main idea and to the main subject of a bigger block size.

After filling half of the article with useless nonsense about MPEx he reverts to a journalistic move in order to divert the attention from the subject which is to reveal something sensational and he chose to reveal that regular users will need 914TB of storage in order to pay for their coffee. I have already answered to this stupid and non-existing issue. We will develop a way of not needing that amount of storage for regular coffee buyers.

Afterwards he starts pushing his view of the blockchain. For a decentralized thing people trying to limit things their way isn't so good. Gavin is only trying to not limit things and to have large open doors for everyone. Keeping a 1MB block limit is a bad intended and limiting move.

In the end of the shit article MP closes with:
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If Bitcoin can't pay for its own security, it is best to find this out sooner rather than later.

Bitcoin security will be insured by the services running on top of it and allowing services to run on top of Bitcoin by increasing the block size limit will definitely insure security no matter what.

P.S. Sorry for the post spam. It's for better visibility.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1007
^^^
misinfo/disinfo

what a compelling counter argument to the facts I presented. bravo.

He always does that. He only throws shit and eat shit. He has nothing else other than MP's dick in his butt.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1007
Why?

Because there are no users for the bloatcoin. People won't adopt it. They'll go for alts with smaller bloatchains.

This fucktard keeps pumping the bloatchain argument just like MP. So either you like to take it in the ass from MP or either you are an ultra retard.

THE BLOATCHAIN ISN'T AN ISSUE. IT CAN BE SOLVED YOU DUMB FUCKTARD!

What other reasons do you have for not forking? YOU DON'T!
legendary
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Merit: 1116
Gavincoin? Hardfork?
What are you guys talking about...

Well, the Bitcoin blockchain you know and love so much is going into the ashbin of history and is going to be replaced by a new blockchain called Bitcoin. OP is being a whiny baby about it because he's too lazy to update.

If OP is speaking on behalf of MP, he has a lot more at stake here than all that. How many bitcoins is Mr. Popescu estimated to have?
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