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Topic: The HODL strategy is not actual - page 3. (Read 4101 times)

legendary
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August 14, 2018, 06:05:29 PM
Just to recap here, every time you buy and sell bitcoin, you're moving in and out of the market. Every move you make in a market opens you up to inefficiency, which you're catching on both sides (up and down, IN and OUT) every time you're not perfectly calling a peak or valley. There are people who tried to beat the buy and hold mentality and they have invariably failed. Warren Buffet famously challenged any hedge fund to outperform the S&P 500 over a ten year period in a million dollar bet, and only one hedge fund trader was confident enough to take the bet. He lost by a landslide, because statistically speaking, you cannot outperform the market over long periods of time by actively trading, and Warren Buffet knew this and preyed on the ignorance of people who didn't. The steep decline in the number of actively managed hedge funds over the last 20 years is due to the fact that investors are learning this now too on a large scale. Those very few who do outperform the overall market in the short term are what statisticians would call lucky, and they revert to the mean before too long. The fact that you're losing efficiency by actively trading is supported by the fact that nobody can do it over the long term.

Could you please address my point specifically? You talk in vague terms which are not applicable to what I'm talking about. To repeat, I'm not talking about moving your whole capital in and out of the market. Did I really forget to mention this in my post? So let's reiterate, what exactly do you disagree with? For the record, Warren Buffett was talking about investments in real companies and businesses, so should I remind you what he thinks about Bitcoin? It seems to be the right place and the right time. If Bitcoin dies tomorrow, your whole buy and hold paradigm flies right out the window that very moment. Let me guess, now you are going to compare Bitcoin and the rest of the pack with S&P 500, aren't you?

Please, don't tell me about hedge funds and that shit. If you are going to challenge my point, stay focused on it.


It's actually directly on point, you're just not following it. Your point is you can trade in and out of a market and make more money than if you were to buy and hold it. There is no track record or body of data that supports this assertion for longer than a few years, which means that any short period of time where it does happen is variance (i.e., "luck") and those instances revert to the mean of under performance soon enough. There is no shortage of people who similarly believe like you do that they're smarter than everyone else and can magically put up market beating returns at will, despite the fact that of all the traders and investors who have tried to do so in recorded history have never had sustained and predictable success. So to think you can reliably make money trading in and out of a market better than just buying and holding, regardless of whether you're using all your capital or not (which doesn't even have any relevance at all to the topic), is to essentially believe that you're luckier than normal, which has nothing to do with investing acumen. What I disagree with is that investors generally, but you specifically, have the ability to put up market beating returns by actively trading.
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August 09, 2018, 12:48:13 PM
The holders of Bitcoin are the only one who understands and believes in the future of cryptocurrency. So those who have been selling off their coins are the ones who just want a quick profit but don't have any idea what is going on. Bitcoin is falling but the economy for adopting blockchain technology is already getting big.

In my own opinion, you are right that not everyone do really understand how the cryptocurrency works or when it will go in the future but as the technology grows and the demand in the market increasing, they should hold their coins because bitcoins price will be so much bigger in the future.
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August 09, 2018, 12:03:16 PM
i think if I am still very confident that bitcoin will go back up so holding an asset in the long period is increasingly opening up opportunities in gaining substantial profit in the future especially to invest in bitcoin. Grin Grin
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August 09, 2018, 06:58:13 AM
This morning I saw an article where a guy made a simple calculation through Google trends about HODL strategy, and it showed that call to HODL used less and less from February of 2018. Popularity of word Bitcoin and crypto currency is also falling down.
Why it is so? Do not people believe in Bitcoin and it's bright future anymore?
No matter on such tend I am going to HODL my founds till bitcoin will not come back to 20k$ Grin
It is completely wrong to hold and I regret that I chose that strategy from the beginning of my cryptocurrency career, and so I would say that from that beginning I have earned almost nothing. I will try to trade now.
When engaging to bitcoin, either trading or investment, it's best to find and stick with your own strategy. Holding strategy may or may not work for all. If your strategy doesn't work for you, don't be disappointed, change your style but never your goal to succeed and survive. It's very important that you have to be on the look out of what's new, how market moves, be informed, and on how to manage risks factors. Stay patient, and don't panic, if things don't work well, just trust and believe that everything will be fine in the long run.
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August 09, 2018, 04:02:53 AM
This morning I saw an article where a guy made a simple calculation through Google trends about HODL strategy, and it showed that call to HODL used less and less from February of 2018. Popularity of word Bitcoin and crypto currency is also falling down.
Why it is so? Do not people believe in Bitcoin and it's bright future anymore?
No matter on such tend I am going to HODL my founds till bitcoin will not come back to 20k$ Grin
It is completely wrong to hold and I regret that I chose that strategy from the beginning of my cryptocurrency career, and so I would say that from that beginning I have earned almost nothing. I will try to trade now.
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August 09, 2018, 02:44:01 AM
in my opinion the condition of the exchange place will experience a price increase when the end of the year and indeed usually at the end of the year there will be good news that can make the price of bitcoin rise because there are so many investors who will buy bitcoin.
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August 08, 2018, 11:30:09 PM
when we buy coins or high-priced tokens while currently the coin price drops drastically due to a dump in the market, I am usually not too worried and not panic because there will be a correction and the next price will improve and even make a big profit
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August 08, 2018, 11:29:28 PM
I think it differs from one investor to another, some are making good money even in current scenario. You need to develop your own investing style and not copy others.
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August 08, 2018, 11:23:40 PM
today almost all of the coins have decreased starting from bitcoin and most of the altcoin, yesterday I bought several types of altcoin quite a lot if I have to sell now so the big loss for me, hold for some time is my choice who knows the price will improve tomorrow or some future time
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August 08, 2018, 11:11:41 PM
If you buy a new coin and just keep holding for an year, it can actually result in loss. Such coins are suitable for day trading.
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August 08, 2018, 10:29:55 PM
This morning I saw an article where a guy made a simple calculation through Google trends about HODL strategy, and it showed that call to HODL used less and less from February of 2018. Popularity of word Bitcoin and crypto currency is also falling down.
Why it is so? Do not people believe in Bitcoin and it's bright future anymore?
No matter on such tend I am going to HODL my founds till bitcoin will not come back to 20k$ Grin







Holding bitcoin is a very risky but selling quickly bitcoin is safe way. People who are holding bitcoin are the people who really know bitcoin, they know that sooner or later it will increase to a highest value and that is the time that they wait. While the people who quickly sell their bitcoin are the people who don't have many knowledge about bitcoin they just want to have profit wherever it is small or big. Holding is a risky way but possible way to have big profit.
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August 08, 2018, 09:29:20 PM
No it's actually work if you can be patient  and i think it's better cut loss and wait for price below again then we buy back, so there will be transaction in btc, and i think the price will not be this bad. if many people only hold btc so  market circulation will decrease
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August 08, 2018, 07:06:07 PM
The holders of Bitcoin are the only one who understands and believes in the future of cryptocurrency. So those who have been selling off their coins are the ones who just want a quick profit but don't have any idea what is going on. Bitcoin is falling but the economy for adopting blockchain technology is already getting big.
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August 08, 2018, 06:53:27 PM
People still believe in bitcoins, they kind of need some push, a bulls market will drive in some craziness in the search of these key words
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August 08, 2018, 06:50:57 PM
HODL strategy is just a good saga for any investor in this Crypto field to triumph based on Cryptos volatility. It is hitherto paramount not to hold at Bull period for Crypto Traders to excel. However, the end result of the HODL downtrend incumbent lies with the bear market long existence stigma. Conclusively in my opinion herein refers that HODL strategy is much more actual in this Crypto facet.
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August 08, 2018, 06:24:52 PM
Many people believe that hold will make a profit and 100% safety. But I oppose this idea. In my opinion, we Should hold when the price of Bitcoin and altcoin increase and sell when the trend is down


Holding is just good for people who are bad at trading or for those people who have a day job in the corporate world because in this way they can focus on earning salary and just have an extra income from cryptocurrency when the market's start to pump.
With the market is very volatile and has not identified the current market trend, the hold is quite difficult. I think short-term trading is a good option in this time because it will help investors quickly end the transaction to prevent further market fluctuations.
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August 08, 2018, 06:16:01 PM
It can be said that this year's hold is ineffective, this is due to the negative effect of news that makes the user doubt the future bitcoin and make the price of day by day continues to decline.
Hodl when the market is dipped or this year we should have done it if you still want to make a profit in the future. You say hodling this year isn't effective? How did it happen? if you sell it at this time then it is more ineffective, so I think hodl in this year and it should be done and if you panic at the market right now, maybe you will regret it in the future.
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August 08, 2018, 06:06:35 PM
This morning I saw an article where a guy made a simple calculation through Google trends about HODL strategy, and it showed that call to HODL used less and less from February of 2018. Popularity of word Bitcoin and crypto currency is also falling down.
Why it is so? Do not people believe in Bitcoin and it's bright future anymore?
No matter on such tend I am going to HODL my founds till bitcoin will not come back to 20k$ Grin


Only wise and clever people who still hold their coins when they see the price value of crypto currency in the market dumping. Because they have see and feel the result if they sell their coin in that situations. They do not want to lose their money. But for those week people they always tend to be panic to sell their coins when they see price flactuation.
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August 08, 2018, 04:41:17 PM
Many people believe that hold will make a profit and 100% safety. But I oppose this idea. In my opinion, we Should hold when the price of Bitcoin and altcoin increase and sell when the trend is down


Holding is just good for people who are bad at trading or for those people who have a day job in the corporate world because in this way they can focus on earning salary and just have an extra income from cryptocurrency when the market's start to pump.
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August 08, 2018, 02:59:50 PM
There are a whole,lot of people who follow the principle of hodl even if they are in serious need of money. All being that colleagues are hodling so let me also hodl. It is so funny to see people of such cognitive thinking.
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