Topic: The huge amount of motivation MERIT give newbies (Read 428 times)

There isn’t a merit bias towards newbies, merits are given based on quality not rank, if there is a bias I think it favors newbies because they get more merit for posts that wouldn’t get that much attention if it was posted by a higher rank. The reason it may seem to you that merit is difficult is because you’re doing it wrong, 50% of your post history are in off-topic board, it’s not surprising that you find it difficult to get any merit when posting in these boards.

I think it is irrelevant whether the account is a newbie or not- what matters is that the person contributing or sharing the message makes sense from their posts. Regardless that he be a newbie or not, what matters is the content of the post.

Sure, there may be some high ranking forum users that may create merit boards but in general terms and applications, for as long as you share something that is unique and interesting, there is that high chance of you gaining merit in the process.

Again to just reiterate, the merit system was designed in order to combat spammers and scammers in the forum. Before, people used to create multiple accounts and spam all their way to legendary rank, then they would sell such account.

Merit is created to reduce spam and other things that are frown upon in this forum. In order to make forum members post high quality posts is to make ranking up not easy which merit is required before you will rank up as many people want to rank up for reason they know of and other forum member's reason are obvious like wanted to join bounty campaigns and more. I have seen some newbies who increase their rank due to their hardwork. When you receive a merit then make it your motivation to learn more and become knowledgeable.

The way I see it when it comes to having merit, is a huge motivation and it gives you that impression that your post is heading into the right direction, and whenever you see your post with a merit it makes you to keep on going. Imagine you dropping about 5 post every day and you get nothing, it will discourage you the poster.
I thank Theymos for introducing merit into this Forum because to me is what gives we the users hope of heading into the next rank and we all know that without the merit we're just stuck at a place, no ranking up...

Yes. High Ranking Members reorganize newbies when they dropped good quality thread and the newbies have reward in it. Also as others have said, you know that your thread is quality enough then you can submit it to Merits Sources if the need required from them. Currently Fillippone is running a review thread for all ranks. So you can submit your posts there for Meriting. And one thing you have to know is what you think as a quality post is not a quality post by another so you have handle cases like that as well.

First as a newbie you should not put in work just to be recognized by the high ranking members, that's just having the wrong priority and showing your desperation to just rank up by any means necessary, in the forum you aren't meant to impress the high ranking members, if you want to provide helpful post it should be born out of interest in assist any one in that situation you talking about regardless of the person's rank or not, infact helpful post helps majorly the average rank to lower ranking members out than the high ranking members.

Also if you see merit as your motivation then anyone has the power to give you merit so long as the members has some reserve sMerit to give you. In conclusion don't work hard all just to be noticed and impress the high ranking members, do it as your own give back to the forum and definitely motivation would come.

Everybody you see in this forum was once newbies and they grew gradually to the rank they are now. If you are not getting merit the way you expected, it means you have not learned enough. You don't need to ask for merit but evaluate yourself to check where you are getting it wrong. Your posts are mostly copy-and-paste material without any input from you. Sometimes merit sources or high-ranking members consider the amount of time and effort you put in before rewarding you. I have had an issue when a thread I created was inaccurate, but it was clear that I dedicated some time to create the content. Many high-ranking members corrected me and gave me some merits for my efforts.

You have not shown enough commitment to learn but you are desperate to earn. If you keep showcasing your slothfulness and desperation to earn merit, you would get nothing because many members will always ignore you. But you still have the opportunity to create quality posts and build your reputation.

I want to say that if your intention is to get merit then wrong idea is working in you. You come here to learn or to teach. Out of your learning someone gives you merit or merit as appropriate. If you come for merit then some merit. But those who come to learn and share their learning always keep posting. Hope you understand.

You are merely 2weeks old on this forum, with over 22 points, of which majority (i.e 12) of it are "Off-topic" and here you are complaining about how high-ranking members not acknowledging Newbies, of which is definitely not true, because it seems you may have forgotten that merits aren't just given to any random posts, but there are factors through which most forum members give out merit to the next, and that is when they find a post to be of value & informative, or When a post is found to offer solution to a problem in a more detailed and understandable manner.
So I will like to advise O.P, that instead of focusing on merit, if only you can prioritize adding value to the forum, I bet you merit will locate you at due time.

i so much appreciate lot of your advice and directions most of you guys share in this post and i really learn a  lot from it and am still open to learning more from the ones who are about to comment as well.
But most of us that comment on this post are extremely getting me wrong and i was also target directly,forgetting that i never compose this post for my own advantage,i only want to talk about motivation,using newbie in general in references to the post.
How motivated we should be and what  give us that motivation to work harder in this forum.
And i would also apologize to some of the high ranking that are really piss off about this post,it was never and will  never be for the reason to plead for merit individually.
Am just trying to post what will make most the experience and high ranking to  share your thought and also give your advice to us the newbie.THANKS

Op, do you know the major reason the merit system was introduced?
I guess No!
Let me help you!
The merit system was introduced by theymos to stop or mitigate shit posting. With the help of the merit system, the shit posters and account farmers will find it difficult to rank up.
Why do I need to inform you about the reason behind the merit system? I had to remind you because you a toeing the lane for which merit system was introduced to fight against.
So, unless you change, merit will be fighting against you instead of come to you.

You're taking the wrong approach. You can't expect merit, it comes spontaneously when you write quality stuff, do a service for members or contribute to the good life and harmony of the forum. And even then, they won't be automatically acquired.

It doesn't matter how much you post, how often you post, only the quality of what you say is important. If you don't think there's a real need for your contribution, then don't post, or don't expect to receive any merits.

This forum isn't a giant merit race, it's an information resource, and those who are here just for the merits can't last long here.
Do quality posting and you will earn some merits, there is no reason to stay at 0 merit if you post some good content. Merits can be earned quickly, I've earned about 420 merits in the last 120 days, and some people earn MUCH more than that, I am not saying that I am an example. But what's certain is that if my posts were made with the intention of receiving merits, I probably wouldn't have received a single one.

Well in some points i agree with you, i am a beginner too and yes i can confirm that merit is truly a motivation and you try to do quality posts just in case to get some merit. But the thing with the motivation is, that it can change in a very short amount of time. If you pin your motivation on the amount of merit you possibly get you might be demotivated after 20 posts with no merit and then you stop posting quality stuff.
So the best thing you can possibly do is to forget about the merit and just try to help people in here as good as you can and the merit may come from all alone.

If your goal is to earn merits, then avoid writing about merits. When I write this reply, no one rewards you yet with merits, making it a futile topic. I'm reaching out to emphasize why you shouldn't write about merits. Instead, focus on making valuable contributions, which can help you become an established member of the forum over time. To achieve that, dedicate yourself to learning and actively participating. Remember, this forum is dedicated to open discussion and learning. Always keep this in mind.

High ranking member should merit newbie when it is due, but often times newbie delivers a topic that is considered redundant because it has been discussed for several times.  Unless a newbie brings a new information that is beneficial to the forum members, merit will be aloof to them if they keep on creating generic topics. 

Aside from that giving merit is subjective, other members considered asking a valuable question deserves merit while other member merit post that they find entertaining or supportive to their idea. 

@OP if you wanted lots of merit, get involve in the forum politics (if there is any) and pick side but be aware that you can get red tag on the opposing side .  Or help in improving the forum, you can check reputation, meta and scam accusation board  and see how members get merit in there.

Hehe ...
Loyce and lovesmay have really slammed your ass ...lol . I still believe alot could be done ; they could possibly be a turn around buddy. Stop defending yourself away from the points they've made,.. they know alot already in here that you won't know in a year to come.
I always told myself that I needed to stoop low; I was slammed wayback, when I normally made different contributions on the dev& tech board - I was told that my post sounded calumniatory and only them lame-ass would believe me... Why ?? Cus I wasn't able to prove a single Point in the questions I was asked, over the questions I aksed. I kept pushing on,...my blunders weren't enough to hold me back.. where I'm I today?? God did..
Don't give up... You've still got hope cus I know how discouraging and limiting it is to post without them ranks..

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

The sole purpose of the forum is to acquire knowledge about bitcoin and possibly spread little knowledge they also have,i thought so,The ranking is just a way to distinguish members on how well they most have contributed in one way or the other and also to gain the benefits from most of the incentives like the signature campaigns on the forum. Other than that the rank doesn’t measure or qualified your knowledge,as the all knowing person on earth.

There are no obstacles for anyone giving Merit to Newbies as long as the post meets the requirements to get merit. Even though judging a post is very subjective, as long as you are able to make a good contribution there will always be someone who will appreciate your efforts with merit.
Merit sources as umbrellas when it rains, shady trees for shelter and vehicles to make it easier for you to reach your destination. If there are some posts that are missing from Merit Source monitoring, you can take advantage of some of the threads that @Peanutswar has attached.

You've created 10 topics in 10 days, most of them copied from other websites. Please stop "trying to deliver daily".

Real users don't have to ask for their first Merit. I agree with lovesmayfamilis: stop shitposting.

As you came here in the forum there's a lot of plenty information it depends on you where you will focus your knowledge or the path you are trying to get right there, sooner or later your knowledge acquire from the information right here you will now gets the idea, gather the idea, and makes an idea how to contribute to the community at your own too, you don't get discourage because you don't have a merit yet once you know and learn the merit will now follow base on your contents giving and sharing here.
We have merit sources right there that will notice your improvements. Also, we have a board and thread giving merit to the newbies or lower ranks some of these are.

[Merit] Share your best posts/threads with Fillippone to be merit assessed by fillippone
[Merit] Help newbies and those who have a little left to the next rank by Ratimov
[self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source by LoyceV

and all the articles i copied and posted are sensible ones,and not all my post are copied and post just like this one you are commenting on now if you want to state out all my previous posts.as a newbie that i am in this forum am hear to learn and how do i learn is by your advice and direction.
I have no problem with your comments but with due respect the condemning word(shitposter) directed to me cause i posted about motivating newbies in the forum is totally absorb.

I said everything in my post. What do you call that you work hard? That you copy articles from the internet and post them here? Do you know that all users can use other sites besides this forum? Why bring here what can be read online?
You have to be unique in how you try to attract attention every day; but unfortunately, it's just it just copy-paste and further discussions off-topic.
And yes, I haven't called you a shit poster yet, but by the number of deleted posts and the way the moderators agree, you are this.

There can be some genuine members also who want to rank up but most of the percentage is for those who have been introduced to the forum as some earning source through campaigns which is why they are eager to rank up fast and earn merits overlooking the facts that it would also need quality posts so better focus on enhancing your knowledge for it.In the past B&H section was flooded with such merits earning and how to rank up threads and all of them have the same opinions.So don't know how they are coming up with such things when the main aim of forum is having healthy and knowledgeable discussions among members.

When the effort of a newbie is appreciated or found reasonable by any high-ranking member, they award merit to it. Regarding what you think and your question, newbies' efforts are always appreciated and encouraged with merit, but if you are not getting the merits, that's a clear notice to you that you are not putting in enough effort. So try hard and put more effort into your topics and comments. Create helpful topics with a good idea, give reasons why the idea is good to emulate, and give the disadvantages and advantages of it, and you may likely get merit; ask a very reasonable or genuine question, and you might get merits too. If you look very closely, you will see there are some newbies who already have above-average 5 or 10 merit. They obviously started with some good posts, and even before they started, it was not merit that motivated them; they first of all motivated themselves and created some good topics, which earned them merit.

So, motivate yourself and do quality work; don't wait for merit to motivate you, or else you might not get any merit any time soon.


LOL, don't take is personal, @Lovesmayfamilis is only scolding you, perhaps you can take it as a challenge upon your self to make a little push up on your post quality. He (@LMF) have not practically called you a shit poster yet, but I think your post is convincing him to conceive the thought to do so.

Cheers 🥂, Dr.Bitcoin_Strange👺👺

You receives merits not as a motivation for you to keep posting or doing well, which means if you don't receive merits you may drop down your performances, merits given where base on the indept of taughts from what you post on the receiving end from a member, which he thinks from his own point of view, your post deserves to be merited.


We have a large number of newbies posting each day and you can't expect all of them to be receiving merits at the same time, they quality of what they all post differs from each other, the taughts in their post also varies, that's why merit is not moderated, you work to earn it by the quality of what you do and also the reasons we have merits source, who merit quality posts generously, there are threads you could also apply for merit review if you think you post well but not noticed, there you stand a chance to be accepted as well or not base on their rules.

i beg your pardon mr am not a shitposter and am not pleading for you to give me merit,i know what i must to earn merit,as you can see the topic i posted is a significant one,as an expert that you are you should give advice to  newbies not using condemning words on me thanks.

How you regularly spam boards with posts not written by you but by copying articles and providing a short source from which the information was taken personally encourages me to rate you a "shitposter" that copies and pastes without adding anything new.
As long as you search the Internet and one site for articles without inserting any thoughts from yourself into your posts, you will have to expect merit for a very long time.
Admit it: how many deleted posts have you had since registration?

The natural beginner will come to the forum to learn and get answers. To rise or get merit points is not important if you want to learn, but the quality of your posts will increase and you will be keen on answering more than merits.
I see that what is happening now is the same influences on YouTube or Facebook, instead of creating good content to make profits from ads, they focus on what people want in order to get more likes, and after a while you will notice that the channel or page started with conflicting content and people began to stop following it.

Therefore, focus on learning and developing yourself, and merits will not be an incentive for you, because they will not mean much in return for the profit you get.

The desire for learning comes from receiving positive comments from forum users when you ask questions or participate in discussions. The forum is a learning platform, and when you deploy yourself to learning and making contributions here in the forum, you will be inspired by the knowledge you obtain.

Yes, merit is a motivator, but it should not be your primary goal right now. If you make merit hunting your primary goal, you will end up with fewer merits, but if you study and contribute to the forum, you will earn enough merits because merits are a reward for quality forum posting and contributions.

When a newbie asks a reasonable and educative question, they receive merit for it; similarly, when they post a quality post, higher-ranked members have nothing to do with their smerits other than sending them out to the post that was found worthy of being merited; thus, regardless of your rank, if your post is worthy, you will undoubtedly be merited.

Yeah, I remember I immediately noticed this avatar thing when I came here. Avatar is something very common among online platforms. I immediately wanted to wear one, too, but I couldn't find it in the settings. I later on realized it can only be worn by higher ranks.

Aside from those who are placing bids in the collectibles section, I don't think it is common among brand new users to make one post after another in just a matter of minutes. As far as PM limits is concerned, nobody probably came here to send PM to different users except those who came here to do business.

Earning merit for low rank account is easier than higher rank especially legendary because there's no point to give them merit except their post are really high quality. There are many threads to help low rank account to get merit as long as you post a high quality post. If you don't get any merit, then you should know what's the reason behind it.

Although you're correct, but the main reason it's not that, those newbie looking a way to earn merit fast and then join a signature campaign.

Sometimes it is just them searching stuff on google and finding the answers on this forum and ending up signing up here. The reason why they seek merits can also be because of the limits that are placed on a brand new account like having to wait 6 minutes (?) to post again, limits on who they can send PM to or how many, not having avatar, etc.

Either that, or the OP has other accounts on the already forum. He may also be part of a farm. The thing is, threads like this are not uncommon from people with great ideas about merit who haven't earned a single merit yet. And they seem to know that creating a thread especially in this section talking about merit can bring them benefits in the form of merits. The OP hasn't gotten it yet but let's wait a bit because it won't be uncommon for him to get some.

I wonder how newbies found out about this forum. Are many of them long-time lurkers before they finally signed up? It seems many of them arrived here with ideas on merit and ranking up already.

I used to read of newbies coming to the forum because somebody recommended them a place where Bitcoin is the main discussion and where knowledge could be gained.

If I remember it right, I got into this forum because of Primedice. That was during the earliest days of my Bitcoin encounter. There was no merit back then, but when I got here I never even thought of ranks. It was this curiosity that actually brought me here. Lately, I noticed that merit seems to be a topic among newbies already. I wonder how it becomes a motivation to somebody who has just arrived.

Merits are given out subjectively and aren't dependent on whether or not you are a newbie or legendary.  In some parts of the forum they are more a popularity contest than reward for good posts.

Merit givers hardly ever go looking for quality posts in the various campaigns etc.  Just be yourself and make quality posts.

This is why there are some merit sources that are offering post reviews for different users that for them is deserved to get merited for their high quality posts.
I don't think that these merit sources that are offering post reviews has a minimum rank required, so as long as you're posts are of with high quality (and not bounty reports), even you're a newbie you can still apply to them.

I often see some merit sources circling around different sections like Bitcoin Discussion, and they are distributing merits there. Those newbie ranked members in the past aren't newbies right now because for sure they ranked up already. Those who are ranked newbies as of this moment are either the ones who just registered a few days or a few weeks ago, or they are simply newbies who are posting bounty reports from their bounty campaigns.

More merit = more motivation? Hmmmmm I don't think that's always the case because even low ranked members can still contribute in their own ways. I'm pretty sure that these high ranked members that you are saying see those low ranked members out there, and they know which are contributing or not, and if they see that they're contributing, they will give merits to them.

The sole purpose of the forum is to acquire knowledge about bitcoin and possibly spread little knowledge they also have. The ranking is just a way to distinguish members on how well they most have contributed and also to gain the benefits from most of the incentives like the signature campaigns on the forum. Other than that the rank doesn’t measure or quantity your knowledge.

As regards your question it is not that senior members or even merit source are not acknowledging the work of newbies but most of the created threads by newbies this days are just recycling of previous posts and merit is meant to be shared to a post you found worthy or learn a new thing from.
Newbies can get merits from their contribution to the forum by answering questions or even ask relevant questions and not necessarily creating threads daily.

Currently getting merit is even easier currently if you are actually a quality poster, because they’re high ranking members that have threads you can submits posts or threads that you feel are worthy of merit to. And if they find it worthy it will be merited

As a newbie in this forum,the first thing in your mind in this forum is to learn and comprehend the rules and regulations of this forum.on the other hand still need to work very hard to implement significant thread and contributions to the forum.
 Going through all this process in learning and adapting to the policy of the forum,you(newbie) still have high expect ions to contribute immensely in the forum which also need motivation from the high ranking in the forum.
The more merit you got the more motivation you start generating which make you to strive more and more with your progress in the forum.

My question is are the high ranking acknowledging when a newbie is trying to deliver daily and how hard is it for them to reward such newbie with merit?