Topic: The Impact of Russian African Alliance on World Economy (Read 565 times)

You are well aware that russia is a terrorist country. Not only "classical", but also economic. And there are plenty of examples of this. For example, one of the goals of destabilizing the eastern regions of Ukraine and their occupation in 2014 was purely economic, or rather resource-based. If you study this information, you will see that from 2010 to 2014, in those regions were discovered and explored huge deposits of shale gas. And the volumes that for many decades could provide all of Europe with gas, cheaper than gas from Russia. We were already preparing to sign contracts with international companies to develop the deposits, and... russia came to our country with war....
Now Russia has shown the whole world that it is a fake country, at least as far as its "greatness" and "power" are concerned. So now it is just helping to organize coups and destabilize transit countries to disrupt this project. It can't start a full-fledged war in the region anymore.

Let us clarify some points so that there is no confusion:
- There are three pipelines extending from Algeria (Hassi R'Mal) to Europe (two to Spain and one to Italy), as shown in the attached picture. The line you are talking about is to strengthen this supply network and not a new line, knowing that this network does not only provide gas to Europe, as Tunisia and Morocco also benefit from it, in addition to Algeria.
- The project of this line began in the 1970s and remained the focus of studies for years before its effectiveness was confirmed, in addition to confirming the technical possibility of its completion, which only happened in the 2000s.
- Considering that Russia is working to disrupt the project, it must be taken into account that one of the most important factors that was disrupting the project is the security issue due to the activity of terrorist groups on the borders between the participating countries. The Ain Amenas incident in Algeria is an example.
- Algeria is an ally of Russia and has ambitions to join BRICS. Russia can convince Russia to disrupt the project without the need to inflame the situation in the rest of the agreement countries (Niger and Nigeria).

Answering:
1.  TSGP gas pipeline
"Algeria, Nigeria and Niger have signed a memorandum to complete the construction of a gas pipeline of more than 4,000 kilometers across the Sahara to Europe"



https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/algeria-niger-nigeria-sign-mou-saharan-gas-pipeline-2022-07-28/

3.If at the first stage, I agree with you, then later it became a tool to destabilize the EU. Lately it has been OPEN. Let me remind you - from 2021 to today, Russia has been purposefully bringing large groups of migrants from "friendly countries" (Asian) through its territory, then transporting them to Belarus, organizing camps there, preparing them, providing them with means to destroy fences on the border with Poland and trying to "throw" them there. Google - everything is in open sources with photos and videos. I assume that after 2014, after EU started to put pressure on Russia because of terrorism in Ukraine, this process became controlled by Russia.

Any "effect" it would have is because of an overreaction against the alliance. Don't get me wrong I clown on Russia as much as the next guy but this "alliance" that they struck with Africa is of no consequence unless they are to take actions against countries that are considered enemies of these. Which they aren't cause that would mean world war by the by. So what they are right now is purely partners in economic stability if you could even call it that, one country helps the other by providing it with enough economic aid to hopefully allow it to stand up, and perhaps strengthen its relations with it to further drive just how negatively the Americas affected them. I say we can't do anything but watch and observe, any country making a move against this will be considered an act of aggression and would have dire consequences.

1. What gas pipeline are you talking about exactly? I have never heard of a project of this kind before. The two closest African countries to Europe with significant gas reserves are Egypt and Algeria, both of which are in alliance with Russia without the need to blow up the situation internally.
2. I agree with you on this point and I think it is somewhat legitimate since no one will provide free assistance without getting anything in return. Russia is not a pure angel and Africa needs support to rise again.
3. Migration waves have existed since the 1990s, that is, before Russian influence existed, and I believe that Europe is more responsible for them than Russia, since it has been impoverishing Africa for centuries. I mean here France specifically, which I consider more dangerous to Africa than Russia.

Russia's goals in Africa are very simple, and it's not about helping Africa.
1. Destabilization of the region where the gas pipeline to the EU should run.
2. Capture of resource regions/enterprises, to gain currency.
3. Destabilization of Africa and subsequent new wave of "unruly EU", by waves of migrants.

That's it, there are no other goals. Ah yes Of course, at the level of official visits and speeches, there will be about terrible colonialists, about freedom of African countries, about honesty..... But remember, in Russian, peace is war. Truth is a lie, life is death. Help is plunder and destruction. Proven by the MNR, Ichkeria, Abkhazia, DNR, LNR,.....

International sanctions and the isolation of Russia from civilized states are forcing Putin to seek connections with rogue states like Russia, or to expand cooperation to sell their products with developing countries, including African ones. But Putin’s attempt following the summit in St. Petersburg was unsuccessful. We'll see what happens next. Russia's influence will increase in some African countries, while in others it will weaken. After all, African countries do not present a united front. Each country has its own interests and they depend on many factors that are constantly changing. But I don’t expect that Russia’s plan will succeed. Russia is weakening because of the war it started in Ukraine, and everyone can clearly see this.

Instability, rampant gangs and "military governments" are the ideal environment for the introduction of "Russian peace, or at least the real capture of resources, in exchange for arms and support of Russian terrorists. They seize key elements of infrastructure, mines and extractive enterprises, put there terrorists from PMCs, and all this by bribing or "buying" the new "rulers".

The latest "beautiful" example: On the territory of the airport in Mali, the so-called PMC Wagner took under its command and control, and uses it as its own base. This base also contained, previously purchased by the legitimate government of Mali, several Turkish-made Bayraktar TV2 drones, which fell into the hands of Russian terrorists.

One can read about the seizure and appropriation of many mines in African countries by the same PMC Wagner and similar "representatives of Russia".

Just a correction no country is using USD as their reserve currency. I mean even if a few countries are their proportion is very small compared to the rest. Since long time countries are just putting their own currency as a reserve and simultaneously maintaining a forex reserves which comprises of all the currencies so in that way BRICS won't really damage anyone to be very honest. Infact I feel more than BRICS there should be a defensive alliance among the east to really counter balance the NATO these days.

Every single nation in the world could be a better nation if they did those  things, but unfortunately the ones who want the power most, are the ones who deserve it the least. We are not going to get great people and great humans who will be in the politics, people surrounding them wouldn't allow it. You have to give to get, that's how politics works and if you give, then you are not going to be a good person.

This is why it is going to be tough for anyone to get any better on the long run, that's just not possible, not at the moment at least. I believe that we are going to see no African, but also no Asian, American, European, or any other nation to get any better. It just wouldn't be possible for corruption to end.

Well, not only that, most of the African Countries are having war with each other, some of them are even still having a civil war inside their countries. They can't even make an alliance with their neighbor, Putin will need a billion dollar solution if he wants to actually benefitting from his alliance with the African countries.  I guess having all those land with rich natural resources not always blessing, it's more of curse.

African countries have every chance of success! But ... there is still a lot of work to be done. For example:
- End unprofitable and toxic relationships. Unprofitable - it's more about China. Toxic - about Russia
- destroy corruption
- start investing in the economy.
- Leaving projects like the UN projects "to save African countries from hunger" is pure corruption, and a swamp of degradation, which leads to the fact that the governments of these "rescued" countries help the UN corrupt officials earn money, and the local population gets used to doing nothing and waiting for the next handouts in the form of "help"

Putin wanted to create a bloc which he would control the economy of African States. As it is said in another thread, why can't African countries create their economic bloc and control their economy by themselves instead of creating economic bloc with the oppressive whites. Russia has bought some of the West African countries to join the bloc. And that is why the recent junta in Niger Republic was also supported by Russia so when the West African Economic Bloc wanted to strike Niger Republic for disturbing the democratic governance in the country Wich is not institutional, Russia was strongly against the move. Russia supported them with some strong warfare personnels and weapons.

This Western interference of African development is still making the African countries more underdeveloped. Let them allow the countries in Africa to develop themselves. This BRICS will never developed any of their member states in Africa Instead they will use the resources in those African countries to develop their own countries. And this is the neocolonialism in Africa States.

A perfect, of course in quotes, example of the toxicity of russia. Any relationship with Russia leads to the degradation of its partner. And degradation in a broad sense - from mentality to economy. The problem is that "lovers of Russia" don't want to study history to understand that no country that got in touch with Russia (or the USSR) became better off or improved the situation of its citizens. And only those who were able to cut this knot of "friendship" - now became full-fledged participants of the world community.
Read history - even in the times of the USSR "bought" high-level politicians in many countries - from primitive bribery, to the creation of "specific events", which were then used to manage and manipulate people. Many, even European politicians have a huge "closet of skeletons", and the key to this closet, and he himself - lies in the Kremlin ....
In a word - I do not recommend to get in touch with this contagious and toxic regime. It is like in 1939 to support and be friends with the Nazis of Germany. Although Rashism is much more bastardized than Nazism.

cooperating with Russia actually has pros and cons for countries on the African continent ^{(but I doubt this cooperation will have any impact on the world economy)}, we know for ourselves that Russia is hostile to NATO countries but good friends with other big countries like China, these two countries will definitely provide assistance in various fields for countries on the Africa continent who cooperates with them, starting from the exchange of technology, natural resources, and also the military, but many criticize this cooperation because of the assumption that Russia is a country that is cruel and very authoritarian in politics, this can trigger geopolitical imbalances in the countries of the African continent who work with them!

A big war in Africa would be devastating for the world and make all the problems we face in Africa today much worth. A big war would lead to large scale immigration to other countries, further putting pressure on food and water security. Any conflict would probably lead to a quick reaction from the UN to try and contain the misery. I don't think Russias goal is to create big conflicts in Africa, because they don't have the military reserves at the moment to support their allies. It's one thing to have mercenaries operating in Africa, and something completely different to have a large scale war. Now with the dismantling of Wagner there will be other mercenary companies taking over. Providing military aid to African countries is one way to get influence. For the world economy not much is going to change, the need for medical aid will likely remain high and western countries will have to keep up their development support.

Hearing from citizens of a country and understanding their situation is the best means of getting a clear picture more than theoretical explanations. Most of the information we get from major news outlets are tainted or diluted to benefit certain people. From your explanation, Russia doesn't have the economic power to replace Western countries. Sanctions from some European nations are having a big negative impact on the Algerian economy because they depend on Europe for many goods.

This will be the problem of many countries that want to de-dollarize their economy or join the BRICS alliance. Most of them will suffer economic consequences because of their over-dependence on the Western bloc. For now, The NATO state economy will be very difficult to bypass. Even Russia has not fully recovered from Western sanctions, so it might not help other nations economically. Economic autonomy from the West will be a hard task that will take costly sacrifices to achieve.

This alliance between African countries and Russia is only serving Russia in my opinion and what I have seen from Algeria which is my country. President Tebboune visited russia to make the friendship stronger and show his support for the war against Russia with a mutual benefit as Algeria now can ask Russian soldiers to help fighting the enemy in our borders. In exchange of buying more Russian weapons and also provide them with resources that Algeria has in Sahara.
But for us as normal people we are suffering more from this alliance as trades stopped between us and European countries, paying more taxes and higher prices and cost of living, Algeria spent much money to join the BRICS organization and failing at the end which lead to huge losses without any results.
The impact of all this is only serving Russia since i believe it’s the same  thing happening with all African countries hosted in Russia unfortunately. Only politicians and names that benefit from this while normal people like us suffer war and poverty.

Typical "wet dreams"

NATO will not take part in restoring order and destroying illegal gangs.
This is the destiny of France, and ECOWAS. Others don't care about these issues. Although I do not exclude that the terrorist country Russia, I WANTED to create another zone of tension and divert NATO to it, but, as always, screwed up, as expected
The Wagner terrorist gang has a rather specific structure and management. They are very devoted to their leader, who until recently was almost the right hand of the international criminal Putin. But the "spiders in the bank" staged their showdown. Now the Wagner fighters, who were "relocated" to Belarus in order to destabilize the situation on the Belarus-Poland border, are returning to Russia, and it is possible that they will arrange another "putsch". Especially when they captured Russian cities - they were very warmly received by the public
So there are options for the development of diametrically opposite scenarios - the strangulation of gang formations in Africa, including the remnants of the Wagner gang, and a new internal conflict between PMC Wagner and the Kremlin ghouls

Two birds with one stone!

Putin just took revenge on Wagner bosses by eliminating them in the same distance from Moscow they used to be when they were trying to have their coup. This seems like the last step to remove all the domestic "enemies of Russia". #firstbird

With the situation in Africa and Wagner being present there going face to face with the colonizers (namely European "powers" like France) and the elimination of the Wagner bosses, it is possible that this would open Africa for France and others to invade easier. Specially since France is already getting ready to do so.
But that also means NATO will have to shift its focus from fighting Russia to fighting in newly opened battlefield thousands of kilometers in the opposite direction, which is obviously in favor of Russia and it is possible that they would start advancing in Ukraine at the same time. #secondstone

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The way I see it these days the colonizers are facing two main options, one worse than the other.
1. They accept Niger putting a boot up their asses and accept Niger independence.
This means more nations would rise up against the colonizers kicking them out of the rest of Africa which means the end of Western Hegemony. Which means more economic crisis in the West. Which means more energy crisis in Europe. Which means the gas bills that reached 11k euro last year could reach 50k euros this winter. Which means more deindustrialization. Which means more people being fired from their jobs compared to last year....

2. They go in with full military force
This means weaker NATO in the Eastern front facing Russia which means Russia advancing more taking the last remaining cities to cut the connection to the sea.
This also means NATO forces being massacred in Africa since Africa today is not the same as 200-300 years ago where they could go in and enslave people. They're armed and ready and most importantly have strong "friends" ... Lets just say the sound of lawnmowers will be heard in the sky.