Topic: The Ivan Toney's Case and You (Read 235 times)

It is easy to become addicted especially if you browse the gambling websites daily,you like slot machines as they are the strongest driver to bring anyone to addiction.This Ivan guy placed sport bets at least and honestly the sport bets took him some months and I don't think that is real gambling addiction.The real gambling addiction is when you cannot stay without gambling for a short period of time,I have suffered this myself in 2019-2020 when I become slot obsessed at that time and could not think about anything else.I don't have a friend addicted as I have only a couple of close friends which do not gamble nor are addicted,while personally I came out of addiction thanks to my self determination which I start putting a limit on every session I took,it took sometime to achieve it,in fact it took a couple of years but setting limits did set me free.

When someone has tarnished their reputation from a business or other, people will not think of it as meaningful and will forget about it. In this case, maybe he wouldn't get a second chance to show his skills because he had made a mistake that others thought was fatal. But I don't know if he still has power with the people around him or if he is still influential, he might be able to continue his career again. Anything can happen and maybe we can wait until the 8 month ban ends to find out how it turns out.

well according to what i read it was that they wanted to give him a 15 months punishment but as he confessed to everything and a psychologist said he was addicted to gambling and he needed help so he had this 8 months punishment but the The biggest problem now for him is that when 8 months pass, how will he be able to prove that he is cured of gambling addiction, since currently with a smartphone people can be playing and lying that they are not playing, at the same time that he has passed 8 months without playing can leave him with less talent than he had before he stopped playing

and all teams don't want problematic players mainly addicted to gambling and with 8 months away from the field the teams won't want him because they can have better active players, in my opinion his career as a professional player ended the moment he was condemned to 8 months without playing and it was proven that he is addicted to gambling, he will have to take care of his health, fight to heal and look for another job, it is a sad scenario because he would have a good future in soccer but he destroyed everything because of a gambling addiction

But it will be over soon. What he did is a very good example of sports rigging, and the worst thing is that he bet on his team to lose, which obviously means he will do everything to ensure that they lose. This is unacceptable. I have a feeling that the 8-month ban was only temporary and it could be upgraded to a permanent ban, or no team will renew his contract when it is over.

Really can't understand that gambling addiction can make him also make bets only to lose because this is really crazy and difficult for common sense to digest, and what's even more unreasonable is how he as a gambling addict can still appear productive for his club, because he only under Haaland and Kane this season as the top scorer and one goal more than Mohammed Salah from Liverpool, I mean how can he survive with a state of addiction even though we know the competition in the Premier League is very tight. He can still have a career and I think his club should help him get out of that addiction because after all he has made a big contribution to Brentford.
I haven't found anyone close to me who is addicted to gambling but I don't think it will be seen just by looking at his daily life unless he tells the truth.

I didn't actually go into details of reading all the news from think provided but betting against your team isn't a bad idea and though I don't know the situation  with Ivan but I don't think betting against ones team should  be any major problem.
Gambking addiction is a major problem in the society  and from my little observations the most persons who are affected and easily get addicted ate those who can afford to feed their addiction because from the news and threads here, most of the persons reported to be addicted either have the money to play or have a property to sell and it is on rare cases that you find a completely poor person  getting  addicted.

I haven't addressed any severe gambling  addiction cases but I think almost all addictions are similar and all cases of addiction needs special attention.

I understand that Ivan Toney is hooked to gambling, but his 8-month ban is likely to be a catastrophic disaster for Toney's football career. I'm convinced he'll return to the game, this time with more strength and complexity. He still has several months to go, and maybe in January, he will make his league initial appearance, such a punishable violation that could negatively impact Brentford's frontline, because he is an important player for Thomas Frank. Consider Ivan Toney has been gambling for a long time and this time he got caught in the angles.

Am I the only one finding these punishments a bit exaggerated?

I went looking for the numbers here and they seem to be expressive:
Between 2017 and 2021, the player made 232 bets, with just over half (126) being in competitions involving Brentford. Toney's club was involved in just 29 bets, 16 were in favor and 13 against, and in those against the player didn't even play.
So... how could he have influenced these results if when he bet he would obviously do everything to win.

As much as there are laws that prohibit this, I do not see Toney's case as being something serious since he did not manipulate anything, did not bribe anyone and did not interfere in the results of the games.

Addiction is something curable and its not right that there's no cure into this. You wouldnt really be cured if you do tolerate that addiction inside you but on the time that you do make your self realizations then this is where things turns out to change. It would really be that a common approach of FA on banning him which its not really that surprise but its true that there's no significant impact on helping out on Ivan's situation because this is pertaining about addiction in gambling which is something that will really be needing to be solved out whether by himself or by the help of others like family, friends or even professional help.

In regarding on the question whether seeing someone whose your friend on such condition then you would usually be seeing these things when its already over and the damage has been done.
Every person whose really that addicted to gambling is usually that secretive and things turns out to be obvious on the time that they would be having no money to spent
or they do have sell out their properties or belongings which turns out to be something could be seen.

I believe it would not be a good thing for him to leave an addiction (gambling) and go into another addiction worse than gambling, I'm talking about addiction to religion, addiction to religion is much worse than having an addiction to gambling, a when a person is addicted to religion, he easily commits crimes and atrocities against other people's lives because in the head of someone addicted to religion, he thinks that he is a being sent by God, he thinks that he is right and that he understands the bible better and that he needs to clean up the world of all evil and to make the situation even worse, the religion addict also starts brainwashing other people, that is, he contaminates his addiction to other people

someone who suffers from addiction to gambling needs medical help, only psychologists and others who deal with these cases of addiction can help and when they admit the patient to the hospital and stay in hospital for months he leaves cured, most of the time the person is cured , because the most important thing is to keep the addicted person away from games and put him in other environments, instilling in his head that there are other good things in life that are better than the game, so the person has no more time to play and leaves the addiction, so people should seek medical help and not religion

It is said that he is addicted to gambling so for a person who is diagnosed with that condition, stopping gambling isn't easy. They will always find ways to gamble even if they are banned or have been isolated.

Like you said he can still use his phone and gamble anonymously online with the help of cryptos. He might be lucky but I think every addicted gamblers do always has a people around them who is concerned. They will give tips, discouragement to gamble and encouragement that there are still other things in life that can give them happiness without gambling. They can also provide financial help if they are wealthy in order to get the gambler a therapist.

I don't have any close friends or family with gambling addictions, but I guess, if that were the case, it might not be easy to tell if he had a gambling addiction. Maybe we will know if we know his daily habits, so if he acts out of habit, we can reprimand him for asking if there is a problem with him.

After discovering that he was addicted to gambling, I would help him overcome it by taking him to a doctor or rehabilitation centre so that an expert could treat him. I don't want to let him feel alone with his gambling addiction, and I will pull him out of gambling. I just want him to know that he is not fighting alone to cure his gambling addiction, but there is me and his family and other friends.

Are you sure? Because gambling addiction is in the nature of some humans. It is not about the country that they are but about how it is in there nature and somehow related to greediness. Most addicts do not let their relatives to know about their gambling addiction. When their relatives do know is when they have taken the money that they supposed to use for something else to gamble and not able to see it back but go back home for the money again or when they steal money from the parent and not able to pay it back. If luckily they do not lie that they are scammed but tell the truth at the time, their parent will be able to know about it.

Well, a person who is too indulged in gambling will obviously spend most of their time gambling and if you live with them or around them, you will see them gambling all the time and that obviously indicates that they are addicted to gambling. Anyone doing something excessively is basically an addict of that thing be it gambling or anything else.

To help someone overcome their addiction and become mentally and physically free from this curse, one should try to get them into some other activity that will divert their mindset and thinking and won't let them think all the time about gambling.

Ivan Toney might have been caught here but I believe we have many other players doing the exact thing. And this won't stop if their wages aren't enough because this could be one of the reasons for gambling!
Talking of gambling addiction as the addiction,  then these guys have known about his bad habits,  I guess struck punishment needs to be introduced to discourage players from gambling.

Agree with you, if you come clean usually punishment is much lighter than telling lies and proof brought forward to prove you are guilty of the charge.

Haven't had a relative that got addicted to gambling but I do see a pattern with these people that are afflicted with that disorder. They seem to downplay it at first, seeing every additional game as "another more for fun" or "just one more to equal out my losses", from then on it would snowball into something more severe, as one more game becomes two more, then three, and so on. Intervention at this stage will prove to be very difficult as most of them deny they even had the problem in the first place. But it is most necessary that they get it as early as possible anyway.

Things will escalate to something worse and before they know it, they are already hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, their family and kids leaving them because of the addiction, and at this point these addicts will have no choice but to carry on with the addiction.

If you are seeing this and you are having second thoughts reading this comment, whether you are really an addict or not, you might wanna have yourself checked. 9 times out of 10 you are, and you just don't know it yet.

Betting to lose your own club is not a sign of gambling addiction but rather an opportunity to earn profit through match fixing. I will consider his case a a gambling addiction if he wasted his money on random gambling but this time he is just taking advantage on inside betting. This is happening on other sports though because athletes can always hire someone to place bets for them.


Similar to ivan no because he is just an opportunist. You will know someone is struggling with gambling addiction if he keeps borrowing money and plays gambling most ofmthe time.

How I found out my friend was struggling with a gambling addiction was that he was always asking for money. He would promise to repay it within a specified period with interest, which I didn't request. He would be so enthusiastic about it that you just had to lend him money. After all, what are friends for, right?

One day, he came crying to me to tell me that he had already used my money but wanted to double it, so he used it to bet on one of these English Premier League (EPL) matches. He lost and lost badly. Besides owing me money, he was already in huge debt with some loan companies because of this habit.

How did I help him? I told him I would never lend him any money again. As for his betting habit, there was really nothing I could do aside from providing him with some heart-to-heart conversation about how much his life and finances would improve if he quit gambling. I don't know if he has changed because I kept him at arm's length after the conversation.

I have a friend who was once dragged too much in gambling. Almost all of his monthly salary was being gambled by him and most of the time he is losing and ended up being broke for more than a year. According to him, he consulted his condition to professional which is I would be preferring more than to personally handle the situation. Ofcourse giving advice to those people would help but it would take initiative from them to actualize it; and this is something professionals could bridge to the victims of gambling. Going back, intervention programs helped him. Point here is that, no gambler would instantly know that he's already addicted into such activity. Addiction is not something anyone could handle which is why there are licensed individuals to address particular concerns.

From the articles I read, it is clear, @Ivan Toney is addicted to gambling at a high level, it is evident from the quote below.


Maybe, I don't have friends like @Ivan Toney, in the world of gambling, my friends gamble just like I gamble, no heavy addiction, so for now I'm not too bothered to advise my friends to bet, they understand under any circumstances when betting, normally there is no action of madness.