Topic: The Ivan Toney's Case and You - page 2. (Read 235 times)

The reason for the lighter sentence was probably because of indications of his addiction, otherwise (though he admitted in the end), it might have been more severe because he lied so many times in previous investigations that it totaled 232 of these breaches.
At least Ivan has 8 months to sort out his addiction problems with some consultant help, hoping he's serious enough to take therapy before returning to the field.

It is common for Ivan Toney because he was addicted to gambling and had no one to give him good advice. I think I will give good advice to my friends. Be aware of the downsides and also stop going anywhere related to gambling for a few days. During the times when he used to play gambling, he should be busy with other work. Practice being busy do the work that makes you happy. Walk with two good people in your eyes. It will be easy to recover and create a beautiful environment.

Ivan Toney's issue with gambling addiction is a pathetic one. Betting against one's club is against the FA rule because the player can influence the outcome of the game. But from the investigation, it was discovered that he had no intention of influencing the outcome of these games. So it is not a case of match-fixing or other grievous sports betting crimes. Eight months ban seems too much for me considering that he is battling a gambling addiction. The right to do was to make him pay a fine and be rehabilitated. Maybe the FA wants to use this case to deter other players from engaging in such illegal gambling.

It is difficult to dictate when a friend or family member is going through a gambling disorder. Most people gamble lives are secrets because they don't want to expose their wins and losses. Sometimes before you observe the situation, the addiction might have gone so high and out of hand. Some of the signs of addiction include spending more time on betting, financial struggles, borrowing, debt, withdrawal from friends, and underperformance in a job. Advising gambling addicts is one of the ways to help them. Tell them your own story on how you control your gambling life. You can also help the person plan his finance by mapping out minimal funds for gambling. Assisting them to get help from a gambling therapist or a rehabilitation center might also be helpful.

What Ivan Toney did was very crazy, his addiction to gambling was very bad, of course it would make financial look very bad.
If my friend does the same thing or play gambling in a very bad or crazy way like that, they will always have a different tendency from other friends, and usually my friends who do gambling, he often a variety of wins or boasting when talking about Gambling that he did, was very common to gambling addicts in his friendship environment.
The actions that I took were definitely at first a common action, such as advising him, but if indeed he could not be advised or given advice so as not to excessive gambling, I kept him away from an environment that likes to gamble or keep him away from access to gambling until he recovered from addiction.

Such persons can be delivered from the  Holy Bible. Preach the gospel to them and pray with them. And let God to do his work. Then personally as a friend you still have to talk to him day by day to remove that mindset from him.
Ivan needed adviser at that point in time but none was with him him. Counseling is the major thing at that time.

Thanks for share, here in Italy I haven't see nothing related this case.

I think that you become aware of gambling problems by speaking transparently with your friend /relative.
a dear friend of mine often told me about his bets/frequency/type etc...  at a certain point he too realized that there was a problem and it was necessary to made some changes in some way ... and I think this is the only way to change habits, realize it autonomously

I honestly have never had the experience of helping a friend or family member with a gambling addiction problem. if anything, I don't want to deal with the problem of gambling addiction because for someone who is already addicted to gambling does not yet have a strong will to stop gambling, of course he will ignore all forms of advice from other people to avoid gambling unless the gambling addict has a strong determination to ask for help to avoid addiction gambling and I will help by taking him to a psychology doctor and telling his family to support gambling addicts to stop gambling.
I don't want to get too complicated with gambling addicts because it's hard to help people escape their addiction.

Hell, this could ruin his reputation and career.

Ivan Toney has carried Brentford since 2020, he's become one of top 5 scorers in this season, if he don't have a gambling addiction, I think other big teams would want to sign him.

I think the reason why he want to gamble is he don't get a big salary in Brentford, he's desperate because he want to earn more money.

A friend of mine has discussed his gambling addiction with me and how difficult it is for him to remain without placing a bet. He does not abuse alcohol, does not smoke, he is not someone too that talks to plenty women as well, but his major challenge in life is his gambling addiction. Attempts to stopping for him usually does not work out because just soon after, he will hear a news about someone somewhere who has won a big amount from gambling or something else that triggers him, and that gets to him so much that he usually starts gambling again. The advice I have given him is that he should try to cut off from some of his other friends that are chronic gamblers as well and avoid discussions about gambling. Trying to recover from gambling and then keeping friends that still gamble a lot, or reminiscing about gambling is a way not to get full recovery from the addiction.

I would not know if my friend struggled with a gambling addiction. Even if they gambled, they wouldn't say much about it. They will keep their gambling secret meetings from other people. But we still try to care for each other and remind them not to play gambling too long and get too much money.

When someone is addicted to gambling and many people know it, it will affect their environment. Others will surely find out who their family members and friends are and warn them so they can take good care of their family members.

You cannot be in a sports organization and a compulsive gambler there's always doubt about your action, people will think that you are going to rig a game or you are going to connive to mafias to fix the game because you have an addiction to sustain.

And there's a temptation if mafias know that you are into gambling they may bribe you to fix the game because they know compulsive gamblers do not have morals they will be tempted because they need money to sustain their addiction.

It would be a shame if he had to lose his career due to gambling addiction.
Maybe he can immediately realize and try to stop his gambling addiction.
The bad impact is not only on his career as a football athlete but also on his life and family.
We ourselves already know the impact that will have on gambling addiction so if he doesn't immediately try to get rid of gambling addiction from himself, maybe what he has will disappear in an instant.

Football career as a player? I don't think so - at least not in the near future. People love stories of a 180-degree turnaround and I think that's what his or the club's PR team will do in this case. I won't be surprised if they start featuring him more and showing how hard he trains while on the way to recovery.

His gambling activities may not stop completely but he'll probably become more careful this time.

It is clear that he is not in control of his addiction, as the clearest symptom is that he is unable to stop despite serious negative consequences.

This is not only a question of decorum of not having a player in the league who is a compulsive gambler, it is also a question of fair play: he repeatedly bet on games where his team was playing, sometimes against, but you cannot bet on being an interested party.

Let's hope he can overcome his problems and recover from the addiction.

Him as a professional athlete and then later a gambling addict, there is a dire consequences of his action. So I do agree that it might have a impact on his career for now. Although I believed that if he will go to rehab about his gambling addiction and then maybe he can comeback and resuscitate his career later once he understand the negative things that gambling can bring into his life.


In my case I can talk to my friends and can relate because I was once a addicted gambler until one day I don't have the means to continue and just like that, I just quit, no money coming in means that I have to stop from gambling for good. I didn't borrow money because again, I don't have a steady job to pay and I doubt that anyone will lend me money. So that will be the story that I told my friends and it seems that they are going over the gambling. They still play but just to have some fun.

To be fair, the gambling was actually fine, the dumb thing was betting on his own club. Now that's dumb. Afaik player contracts don't allow them to bet on ANY of their matches at the very least, maybe even in the competition that they're in. I'm surprised it wasn't a complete ban even, just an 8 month one. Now I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get another case, which means he had a pretty good therapy, if he ever did have one.

I've never had a friend become an addict, well at least not yet. And I honestly don't think any action I do can do anything to help. I'd just be a hypocrite if it ever did happen really. I firmly believe addiction has no cure, you just, well, put it on another thing, which is the best-case solution in most cases.

He might just have to face the ban, but I don't think it will be over for him, yeah sure there are critics around and that's how sports work. No need to overturn it, if he has a gambling addiction then good for him as it was detected this early.


As for some of my friends, I also heard that they have a gambling addiction, but never that it destroyed their families or see the bad effect of it. Perhaps they could have made money as well and not losing chunk of money, or they have steady income to cover their gambling addiction.

His career is over. That will make him stop betting, the club Imguess has to watch him for he might find a way to gamble in the toilet room thru his phone. 

He's lucky to have a club who supported him and thers also theraphy for him. For many of the gamblers who are just gambling with no funds for these theraphy, he has to tackle all these by himself. A gambling addict determined to cure himself I think should just find something else to keep him occupied.

It is no news that once a person got addicted, it automatically affect his mode and decisions.  First the person will lose huge amount of money due to uncontrol urge to gamble.  Then when his money is depleted, he will start asking for loans and then his relationship with his family will also be affected.  But if Ivan Toney come into senses and able to cure his addiction, I think he can get an opportunity to redeem himself.


It is simple to know, just look at how his financial aspect is faring.  If he is struggling it is obvious that the person is somehow addicted to gambling.  As a friend I can always give him advise to have a medical aid for his gambling addiction.  I may offer some financial assistance if I have the capability.

That's a sign of a compulsive gambler you are willing to risk your career just so you can gamble now that he is banned he can play all he wants, although he can still appeal by getting help to cure his addiction, if he is important to the team they will appeal he should clear himself first, it will take months or years to cure his addiction if he is serious to get back his mental health and career he can do so, there should be a willingness on his part.

If it's a family member I will take it seriously I have seen the many harms brought by gambling addiction I'll do everything to get him professional help first by urging him to do counseling, professionals are better-advising drug addicts instead of families.