Topic: The Legitimization and Inevitability of Bitcoin (Read 4927 times)

I'm not sure if disposable means the same thing to you as to me. Gramma may use a smartcard at the grocery store just as she uses a debit card today. If she can't do that, she can't use bitcoin. The card accepts the pruned merkel tree, sends signed transactions, and displays the balance on the card itself. She can plug it into her grandson's laptop if it doesn't have some wireless interface.


Momentum and fear of the unknown are powerful forces. The trick is to introduce technology so that people don't notice. I installed Ubuntu on my ex-girlfriends computer who uses a Mac at work. Granted, I did all the configs, backup, and security upgrades, but she used Ubuntu just about every day for two weeks and didn't realize it wasn't Windows. I think Android is a better example though. Linux is everywhere, you just don't see it. Bitcoin is rough today, but when people don't see the difference between a credit card and bitcoin is when it's mainstream. Within the year we'll have an app on a smartphone, a dialog window will pop up on screen and ask, "Purchase pack of gum .08 BTC from ABC Shop? [Send] [Cancel]" Will you use very often? Probably not yet. But the tech is already here today.

That's why I said Android. Replacing what you already have can be costly but it was easy to introduce Linux in something you'd have to learn from scratch anyway.

Established banks wouldn't want it to succeed, let alone support it. Luckily for us, we don't need banks, we need software developers. Consider how Bitcoin would grow if it was integrated to eBay. It would be better for eBay too, because they would be the escrow service, and wouldn't have to worry about external entities, fees and chargebacks. It would also be better for sellers and buyers for similar reasons. Plus, you would trust their wallet service so it would be instant and "easy to use".

Anyway, why do you yourself think it's a good idea? I think you should begin with that. Yet, again like Linux, it can be hard to explain. I use Linux because I want the whole control of my system, I want it to do my bidding to the extend it can. I can't explain this to an ordinary Windows user, you have to experience the need first. You need to know what you can do with a computer and it must be worth your time. Usually it isn't, because you've already invested time on learning a different system which in the meantime taught you what you want to do with it. Pretty similar to our dominant monetary system, don't you think?

Society gets stuck like this. IMO, online bank accounts are much more complicated than Bitcoin. And they don't have a standardized interface. Yet, people use them because they have to. Credit cards aren't inherently easy either. People need to see "someone else use it" and imitate, that's how Bitcoin will go mainstream. We need a payment method that reptilian brains can imitate. I think foolproof standardized smartphone POS interfaces would suffice.

All in all, I'd try the "when there is frictionless value transfer globally, possibilities are endless" approach.

deleted. Making a thread instead.

Here: http://bitcoin-trader.blogspot.com/2011/09/14-things-you-can-do-with-bitcoin-that.html

Free software, decentralization and free market does that to a project -- in order to taste "free" anything, we need to get through this. Bitcoin is the Linux of currency. Look at how many years and how many failed attempts it took to get Linux into mainstream, it's almost painful to think about. And it still doesn't dominate the Desktop. For something to be "easy to use", it's not enough for it to be easy to use, you must acknowledge that it is so and that you are dumb if you can't do it. Most people need an authority to suggest that. That's why Android is a success. Bitcoin will have its Android but it will take a long time. So long that trolling Bitcoin forums will be considered lame.

Smartcards displaying a balance on eInk, perhaps a keypad on the device itself. One can carry one or numerous smart cards and exchange the physical card itself without trace.

Surawit, you've been arguing with this guy all nite.  this is your chance to set him straight.  will you please?

Dude... nobody is getting paid to troll bitcoin forums lol. If I'm wrong please present evidence.

i'd ask them for a per post fee as well as an hourly rate.  that way you don't get screwed over for your study time trying to understand what you're arguing against.  its only fair. 

oh, and i'd ask them for a raise also.  given the momentous nature, or i should say disruptive nature, of what this means to their trillion dollar franchise you should be getting top dollar.  or maybe you should ask them to pay you in bitcoin.  now that would get them to sit up.

Yeah. I'm freelancing atm, but I've heard there are a couple of salaried trolling positions opening up soon... they really don't like bitcoins! The pay is definitely nothing special but the benefits are great (full health+dental). Way better than my last gig trolling homeopathic forums on behalf of pfizer

i'll bet its per post isn't it?

Sorry, I find it horribly vulgar to discuss wages, and I don't think the guys at the lodge would be too happy with me if I did either lol

yes it is.  how much do they pay you to troll, Surawit?  is it worth it given the shellacking you're taking?  it must be hourly b/c you sure are wasting a lot of valuable time trying to discredit something you despise so much.  don't you have anything better to do?

It is - thanks!

Yes, but that is only because he doesn't have any power to do so  . Besides, libertarianism itself is dumb/harmful enough even without a state violently enforcing its ideas... What good is freedom from government coercion when you are suffocated at birth by your own umbilical cord  because you can't get to the hospital because there are no roads to your house and also because there is no hospital as your mother can't pay the fees

What is this, ghostbusters?

Not sure if that is your blog but I really like it!

Definitely 12-Monkeys material.

I would have no problem with Marxists, if they didn't advocate coercion, theft, and violence.

finally an admission.  now we know what we're dealing with guys.