Topic: [THE LUCKY LIST] Just the right amount of MERIT - page 2. (Read 548 times)
This is default merits given corresponding their rank. Not a lucky list, more like the wall of shame if the account is still active. How hard would be getting a single merit??
Wow, such analysis, much wow. I think it's shows that Merit system really works. You analysed one spammy thread. And these users got only airdroped Merits according to their rank, they didn't managed to earn any real Merits in 7 months. Why they didn't earned? Because they are making low quality posts in spam megathreads. Why someone should Merit their posts? I would predict that mostly of these users still don't even know that Merit system exists because they haven't spent any of their sMerit. Shortly, these users not deserved to rank up. They didn't got Merit not because it's too difficult to earn it, they didn't got it because they are spammers.
Hello dear shiba
I didn't track their messages on other threads so i can't comment.
Please link me a better thread to analyze. Possibly with no more than 10 pages
There's a ton of people complaining that they make quality post and not getting merit.
I've underlined the part of the statement that I agree with. The rest I don't agree with.
Show me the quality posts that deserve merit and didn't get it.
and meet my criteria:
I'm not a merit source but my meriting criteria is:
1) I avoid meriting posts that talk about merit (exceptions are occasionally made).
2) I check poster history for regular bounty or advertising shitposts. (Merit is to reduce low quality posts)
3) Is the post of sufficient quality to deserve merit ? Funny, unique, informative, helpful and well intended ? (not merit begging)
The people who want merit generally are the ones that shitpost in bounties.
It is not hard to earn merit. You only have to make a couple of good posts that keep on getting merit.
Satoshi is an example of where a user doesn't even have to log onto the forum for years and still get merit.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topusersat
Here(in the threads linked in) you can find some examples
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-of-threads-giving-away-merit-points-for-quality-posts-2832127
Wow, such analysis, much wow. I think it's shows that Merit system really works. You analysed one spammy thread. And these users got only airdroped Merits according to their rank, they didn't managed to earn any real Merits in 7 months. Why they didn't earned? Because they are making low quality posts in spam megathreads. Why someone should Merit their posts? I would predict that mostly of these users still don't even know that Merit system exists because they haven't spent any of their sMerit. Shortly, these users not deserved to rank up. They didn't got Merit not because it's too difficult to earn it, they didn't got it because they are spammers.
There's a ton of people complaining that they make quality post and not getting merit.
I've underlined the part of the statement that I agree with. The rest I don't agree with.
Show me the quality posts that deserve merit and didn't get it.
and meet my criteria:
I'm not a merit source but my meriting criteria is:
1) I avoid meriting posts that talk about merit (exceptions are occasionally made).
2) I check poster history for regular bounty or advertising shitposts. (Merit is to reduce low quality posts)
3) Is the post of sufficient quality to deserve merit ? Funny, unique, informative, helpful and well intended ? (not merit begging)
The people who want merit generally are the ones that shitpost in bounties.
It is not hard to earn merit. You only have to make a couple of good posts that keep on getting merit.
Satoshi is an example of where a user doesn't even have to log onto the forum for years and still get merit.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topusersat
1. How are you different from these people, except that you registered late and did not have time to fill enough activity?
2. Why keep track of users who last visited the forum in April?
Last Active: April 14, 2018, 04:59:21 AM
3. I would understand if you posted links to accounts that received exactly 100 Merit or exactly 250 Merit (not airdrop, but from other users), and then for a long time did not earn any 1 Merit. Perhaps it would be interesting...
2. Why keep track of users who last visited the forum in April?
Last Active: April 14, 2018, 04:59:21 AM
3. I would understand if you posted links to accounts that received exactly 100 Merit or exactly 250 Merit (not airdrop, but from other users), and then for a long time did not earn any 1 Merit. Perhaps it would be interesting...
I simply opened the first thread in Bitcoin Discussion and tracked the perfect scores.
I'm not saying that they BOUGHT merit. i'm saying that most of the high ranked members in that thread didn't earn a single merit in 7 months. so there's a problem with the difficulty of earning merits.
I'm not saying that they must have earned merits in that discussion. i'm saying that they didn't earn a single merit in all their post in 7 months.
No we don't need morer merit sources, we need better posters, and an easier way to find them. More merit sources is unlikely to increase the number of members receiving merits, but it could mean that the existing good posters receive more merits.
I'm having to make some broad brush decisions to reduce the time I spend looking for decent posts. For example, anyone who uses all capitals in a thread title goes straight on ignore, and the thread never gets opened again by me. It's a pretty general statement, but in my opinion, anyone who uses all capitals is juvenile, and is unlikely to have anything interesting to say.
I respect your opinion but i disagree. More merit sources will inevitably increase the merit distribution.I'm having to make some broad brush decisions to reduce the time I spend looking for decent posts. For example, anyone who uses all capitals in a thread title goes straight on ignore, and the thread never gets opened again by me. It's a pretty general statement, but in my opinion, anyone who uses all capitals is juvenile, and is unlikely to have anything interesting to say.
There's a ton of people complaining that they make quality post and not getting merit. there are even users that open threads just to share their merit with these people.
Edit: Ok, I understood from a post of your's in another thread what you ment: Those users have not gained any merit since the airdrop. There are tens of thousands of these cases, so why focus on a few ?
Because i wanted to make a small statistic on a random thread. i don't have time to track thousands of people
And that statistic confirmed that is very hard to earn merits even for high ranked users.
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You seem to have got it all wrong. I've gone through all your list and all but one of the profiles got their Merit from the initial airdrop, according to their rank at the time. The only exception is this profile: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/chachacoin17-1002351. He/she gained 150 sMerits in 3 TXs on the same date (09/02/2018). That’s the only profile that makes your case.
Edit: Ok, I understood from a post of your's in another thread what you ment: Those users have not gained any merit since the airdrop. There are tens of thousands of these cases, so why focus on a few ?
which is even a better indicator that the merit system need improvements. and by that I mean more merit sources.
You just prove to us that this thread is also one of the trash thread that complain about the merit system.They are so lucky you are right, but there's nothing we can do about that, the system is already implemented that way.
I'm going to track only Full Members and above, checking 1 random thread every day and keeping some stats.
If anyone want to contribute please do
If anyone want to contribute please do
Why you only track those high members that dont get the merit system since the implementation? Why dont track all the users already registered before the system?
Is that because it Includes you to the list that REGISTERED MEMBERS BEFORE THE MERIT SYSTEM WHO DONT MANAGE TO GET EVEN 1 MERIT SINCE THE IMPLEMENTATION?
There is no difference between you and those on your list aside from they are luckier than you or even us because they already here for a long time and I think its a fair reward for their existence in the forum before the merit system.
I said several times that the merit system is a good idea but needs improvements.
Why i tracked only high members? because there were too many users with 10 of merit so i decided to only track 100 250 and 500.
I registrated like 2 weeks before the merit system, i didn't get merits because the majority of my posting are italian translations in the local section and there's simply no source in there.
i have no problem with those high ranked users that haven't earned merit. they are simply proof that is way to hard to get merit.
which is even a better indicator that the merit system need improvements. and by that I mean more merit sources.
there are only 84 merit sources for over 2mln users.
there are only 84 merit sources for over 2mln users.
No we don't need morer merit sources, we need better posters, and an easier way to find them. More merit sources is unlikely to increase the number of members receiving merits, but it could mean that the existing good posters receive more merits.
I'm having to make some broad brush decisions to reduce the time I spend looking for decent posts. For example, anyone who uses all capitals in a thread title goes straight on ignore, and the thread never gets opened again by me. It's a pretty general statement, but in my opinion, anyone who uses all capitals is juvenile, and is unlikely to have anything interesting to say.
1. How are you different from these people, except that you registered late and did not have time to fill enough activity?
2. Why keep track of users who last visited the forum in April?
Last Active: April 14, 2018, 04:59:21 AM
3. I would understand if you posted links to accounts that received exactly 100 Merit or exactly 250 Merit (not airdrop, but from other users), and then for a long time did not earn any 1 Merit. Perhaps it would be interesting...
2. Why keep track of users who last visited the forum in April?
Last Active: April 14, 2018, 04:59:21 AM
3. I would understand if you posted links to accounts that received exactly 100 Merit or exactly 250 Merit (not airdrop, but from other users), and then for a long time did not earn any 1 Merit. Perhaps it would be interesting...
it means that in 7 months(the merit system was integrated in january) most of the high ranked members that posted in that thread didn't managed to earn 1 SINGLE merit.
which is even a better indicator that the merit system need improvements. and by that I mean more merit sources.
there are only 84 merit sources for over 2mln users.
It just means there are a ton of shitposters. A lot of posters that contribute a small amount not worthy of merit and a tiny number of users that make merit-able content.
I'm not a merit source but my meriting criteria is:
1) Avoid meriting posts that talk about merit (exceptions are occasionally made).
2) Check poster history for regular bounty or advertising shitposts.
3) Is the post of sufficient quality to deserve merit. Funny, unique, informative, helpful and well intended. (not merit begging)
As you can see from the search results and the amount of threads of the same name. It is neither unique nor interesting conversation.
Someone who has merit to give is unlikely to be visiting the thread.
which is even a better indicator that the merit system need improvements. and by that I mean more merit sources.
You just prove to us that this thread is also one of the trash thread that complain about the merit system.They are so lucky you are right, but there's nothing we can do about that, the system is already implemented that way.
I'm going to track only Full Members and above, checking 1 random thread every day and keeping some stats.
If anyone want to contribute please do
If anyone want to contribute please do
Why you only track those high members that dont get the merit system since the implementation? Why dont track all the users already registered before the system?
Is that because it Includes you to the list that REGISTERED MEMBERS BEFORE THE MERIT SYSTEM WHO DONT MANAGE TO GET EVEN 1 MERIT SINCE THE IMPLEMENTATION?
There is no difference between you and those on your list aside from they are luckier than you or even us because they already here for a long time and I think its a fair reward for their existence in the forum before the merit system.
I feel like some most of the users on that list, have the amount of merit that was airdropped. IIrc we are 200 activity in from when merit was introduced.
So a senior member with anything over 450 for activity and 250 likely hasn't received a merit but had reached the rank prior to the system.
Maybe I misunderstand what you are calling out here.
Probably that's the case, which brings us to another interesting statistic from that topic.So a senior member with anything over 450 for activity and 250 likely hasn't received a merit but had reached the rank prior to the system.
Maybe I misunderstand what you are calling out here.
20 full members or above have a perfect score
7 have a perfect score+1
8 have a diversified score
it means that in 7 months(the merit system was integrated in january) most of the high ranked members that posted in that thread didn't managed to earn 1 SINGLE merit.
which is even a better indicator that the merit system need improvements. and by that I mean more merit sources.
there are only 84 merit sources for over 2mln users.
You are right, they are lucky because most of users of your list got initial merit equal to their rank when theymos released merit system.
I feel like some most of the users on that list, have the amount of merit that was airdropped. IIrc we are 200 activity in from when merit was introduced.
So a senior member with anything over 450 for activity and 250 likely hasn't received a merit but had reached the rank prior to the system.
Maybe I misunderstand what you are calling out here.
So a senior member with anything over 450 for activity and 250 likely hasn't received a merit but had reached the rank prior to the system.
Maybe I misunderstand what you are calling out here.
I checked few and seems so as well, there are however many cases where some user got exactly the merit necessary to rank up in a short and impressive time, after that nothing.
I feel like some most of the users on that list, have the amount of merit that was airdropped. IIrc we are 200 activity in from when merit was introduced.
So a senior member with anything over 450 for activity and 250 likely hasn't received a merit but had reached the rank prior to the system.
Maybe I misunderstand what you are calling out here.
So a senior member with anything over 450 for activity and 250 likely hasn't received a merit but had reached the rank prior to the system.
Maybe I misunderstand what you are calling out here.
EDIT: This post is not about the trade of merit nor i'm accusing theese members.
This only shows that the majority of high ranked members have a perfect merit score, thanks to distribution, and that most of them didn't earn a single merit point in 7 months in the whole forum.
that's the problem. Is way too hard to earn merit, maintening the status quo of who is high ranked with an airdrop.
So I noticed that a lot of accounts in here are so lucky to have just the right amount of Merit for their rank.
Let's make a list
I will remove the users as soon as they gain 5% Merit from the screenshoot.
Shouldn't be hard to earn that 5% if the merit system works, right?
I'm going to track only Full Members and above, checking 1 random thread every day and keeping some stats.
If anyone want to contribute please do
Thread Analyzed: Ethereum Vs Bitcoin
Number of posts: 106
Lucky posters: 20 (18.86%)
20 full members or above have a perfect score
7 have a perfect score+1
8 have a diversified score
it means that in 7 months(the merit system was integrated in january) most of the high ranked members that posted in that thread didn't managed to earn 1 SINGLE merit.
which is even a better indicator that the merit system need improvements. and by that I mean more merit sources.
there are only 84 merit sources for over 2mln users.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ausgewielt-1187917
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/chachacoin17-1002351
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jdavid05-1026769
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shata-23970
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jeanpadel14-1052347
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ngerok-932978
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/maman09-380896
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/haidil-994347
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hawkins-561007
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/joyawan13-1041898
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/crypto-549786
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/koncokenthel-1029932
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/thyristor-1118451
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/reatim-721609
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/baby222-201779
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lagista-1190694
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zwiggel-330283
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/terrific-816901
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/johnleo-362227
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dainslane-1005212
This only shows that the majority of high ranked members have a perfect merit score, thanks to distribution, and that most of them didn't earn a single merit point in 7 months in the whole forum.
that's the problem. Is way too hard to earn merit, maintening the status quo of who is high ranked with an airdrop.
So I noticed that a lot of accounts in here are so lucky to have just the right amount of Merit for their rank.
Let's make a list
I will remove the users as soon as they gain 5% Merit from the screenshoot.
Shouldn't be hard to earn that 5% if the merit system works, right?
I'm going to track only Full Members and above, checking 1 random thread every day and keeping some stats.
If anyone want to contribute please do
Thread Analyzed: Ethereum Vs Bitcoin
Number of posts: 106
Lucky posters: 20 (18.86%)
20 full members or above have a perfect score
7 have a perfect score+1
8 have a diversified score
it means that in 7 months(the merit system was integrated in january) most of the high ranked members that posted in that thread didn't managed to earn 1 SINGLE merit.
which is even a better indicator that the merit system need improvements. and by that I mean more merit sources.
there are only 84 merit sources for over 2mln users.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ausgewielt-1187917
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/chachacoin17-1002351
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jdavid05-1026769
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shata-23970
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jeanpadel14-1052347
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ngerok-932978
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/maman09-380896
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/haidil-994347
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hawkins-561007
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/joyawan13-1041898
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/crypto-549786
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/koncokenthel-1029932
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/thyristor-1118451
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/reatim-721609
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/baby222-201779
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lagista-1190694
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zwiggel-330283
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/terrific-816901
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/johnleo-362227
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dainslane-1005212
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