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Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 02, 2023, 10:50:18 AM

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 01, 2023, 10:18:29 AM

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I think there's a crossover between gambling and drug addiction but many things are really different too
with drugs the person usually has a good experience
with gambling the experience could be good or bad, but even with bad experiences the addicted gambler keep hooked to it and craving for more.

I think it is quite literally the same.

When gambling, the person does feel a "high" when winning. If the gambler only experiences losses, it is very unlikely they would come back. That's why casinos design their games so that you win some times, and lose some times (with more losing), so that your brain gets the dopamine release of the wins. That's the hook.

Similarly, drugs like alcohol produce a "high" while you keep sipping your beer. That's why you need to keep drinking as it's the increase of alcohol that makes you feel good.

the point is: when gambling you can get the high of winnings but you also get the "downs" of losing
sometimes losing can make you want to gamble again so you win

with drugs there's usually no instant "down", down comes later (as a hangover let's say)

I suspect they act on slightly different pathways in the brain but we'd have to investigate more to be sure

definitely and interesting subject.

Very interesting subject, but I think there is one major difference that goes a bit missing here and that is the influence of substances that have an unavoidable effect on hormonal balances in the body and specifically in the brain. Depending on the drugs you take, but especially chemical substances fuck the brain from all directions. Gambling is indeed slightly different in that you don't manipulate your hormonal balance through exogenous chemical shocks. You still have lots of excess cortisol when you lose or also are highly excited when winning, but it is still a different mechanism as no substance collides with the natural synthesis of hormones.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 02, 2023, 10:50:18 AM

the point is: when gambling you can get the high of winnings but you also get the "downs" of losing
sometimes losing can make you want to gamble again so you win

with drugs there's usually no instant "down", down comes later (as a hangover let's say)

I suspect they act on slightly different pathways in the brain but we'd have to investigate more to be sure

definitely and interesting subject.

The cerebellum is the system that controls all the activities we anticipate in daily, and that involves gambling. Dealing with gambling as an addicts is definitely going to be really challenging. The results gamblers gets from winning and losing are both slightly different. Gambling comes with ultimate targets which is to earn profits in the system, what's the ratio doubling the initial capital deposited? Though it depend on the solid strategy that follows. Gamblers are persuaded to keep wagering in the system, with the hope of having the urge to win gigantic in the system.

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Quote from: nullama on November 01, 2023, 07:41:25 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 01, 2023, 10:18:29 AM

~snip~
I think there's a crossover between gambling and drug addiction but many things are really different too
with drugs the person usually has a good experience
with gambling the experience could be good or bad, but even with bad experiences the addicted gambler keep hooked to it and craving for more.

I think it is quite literally the same.

When gambling, the person does feel a "high" when winning. If the gambler only experiences losses, it is very unlikely they would come back. That's why casinos design their games so that you win some times, and lose some times (with more losing), so that your brain gets the dopamine release of the wins. That's the hook.

Similarly, drugs like alcohol produce a "high" while you keep sipping your beer. That's why you need to keep drinking as it's the increase of alcohol that makes you feel good.

the point is: when gambling you can get the high of winnings but you also get the "downs" of losing
sometimes losing can make you want to gamble again so you win

with drugs there's usually no instant "down", down comes later (as a hangover let's say)

I suspect they act on slightly different pathways in the brain but we'd have to investigate more to be sure

definitely and interesting subject.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 01, 2023, 10:18:29 AM

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I think there's a crossover between gambling and drug addiction but many things are really different too
with drugs the person usually has a good experience
with gambling the experience could be good or bad, but even with bad experiences the addicted gambler keep hooked to it and craving for more.

Gambling and drug addiction are totally different things and should never be compared. If you want to see how different they are, ask the question, what is the motivation for both? Gamblers are motivated by the hope that they will win while drug addicts are motivated by the need to feel good and forget their sorrow or depression. So the targets and motivation are totally different.

Besides, you never can tell the extent a drug addict can go just to take the substance; the same can not be said of gamblers. Gamblers are law abiding citizens and are responsible tax payers as well. On the other hand, drug is forbidden and mostly done against the law.

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Quote from: junder on November 01, 2023, 07:49:24 AM

Yes it is true, it is also difficult for them to realize the impact of gambling if they are already crazy. Even though they have lost many times, their ambition to pursue victory will not just disappear, maybe they will be satisfied when they win with a very large value so they can have their own gambling company hahaha. I myself feel sorry for them but sometimes I also want to laugh at those who are ambitious to get rich quickly with gambling. anger, greed, that's what must be removed from themselves when they gamble, I see people who play gambling but not to the point of being crazy, maybe they gamble with the aim of entertainment, nothing more than that.

If they could eliminate their ambition to chase victory, they would not go crazy because victory is difficult to obtain, especially if they still use more money to gamble. And it would be better if they had a gambling company to get bigger profits. But to own a gambling company requires a lot of money so not everyone can afford it. But it would indeed provide the riches they would desire by owning their own casino. For this reason, people who don't have a lot of money to own their own casino don't need to gamble more often so they can save their money and avoid losing more often.

Quote from: junder on November 01, 2023, 07:49:24 AM

Most gambling addicts do not accept advice or input from other people, friends or family, because they are convinced that gambling will give them a big win so they don't care about input or advice from people. It's hard if they can't accept input and advice, I myself can only give advice when my friend is heavily addicted to gambling and explain the bad effects of gambling. people who have given input and advice will get fed up if he still can't realize the losses he has lost because of gambling. So just let the addict spend their whole life until they die if they can't change their mindset.

That's the difficulty of giving explanations to people who are addicted to gambling because no matter how hard people explain, they still won't accept it. But those of us who know that there are family members or friends who have experienced gambling addiction must still try to explain their gambling addiction until they can accept it and are willing to heal themselves. Over time, they will be willing to accept our explanation, especially if we can show evidence that they have a serious gambling addiction so that they will start opening themselves up to undergoing treatment.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 01, 2023, 10:18:29 AM

~snip~
I think there's a crossover between gambling and drug addiction but many things are really different too
with drugs the person usually has a good experience
with gambling the experience could be good or bad, but even with bad experiences the addicted gambler keep hooked to it and craving for more.

I think it is quite literally the same.

When gambling, the person does feel a "high" when winning. If the gambler only experiences losses, it is very unlikely they would come back. That's why casinos design their games so that you win some times, and lose some times (with more losing), so that your brain gets the dopamine release of the wins. That's the hook.

Similarly, drugs like alcohol produce a "high" while you keep sipping your beer. That's why you need to keep drinking as it's the increase of alcohol that makes you feel good.

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Quote from: Docnaster on October 30, 2023, 08:27:01 AM

When a gambler is addicted to gambling, he's not just a threat his personal life and future but also a threat to everyone around him including family members. An addicted gambler is very ready to to anything that'll provide him the money to continue his gambling including stealing and other illicit activities that are condemnable by the general society. That's it's very important to notify anyone who wants venture in to gambling to leave how to gamble responsibly or leave anything that has to do with gambling.

I have a family who is addicted to drugs but I think they have the same principle because, in my observations, they are willing to sacrifice anybody just to fill their needs because they don't really care about anyone anymore as long as they get the means to do their addictions. Just like the story I always relate concerning this topic, when our neighbor befriended a gambling addict, they won't give him peace because whenever he loses all the money from playing cards, he goes to ask for money from them even in the middle of the night where everyone is sleeping and this is a real story because I witnessed it myself. this is how mad they are and they cannot just simply stop whenever they want.

You say drugs are the same, I think so too. Addiction to gambling is not much different from addiction in that those who are already heavily addicted will feel a phase when they have no money at all and in themselves really want to gamble, just like drug addiction, right?
At times like this, they can do negative things that can harm other people who don't know anything like committing crimes or stealing or anything so that they can do the habit called addiction.

When they play by forcibly asking for money from anyone, it also includes the bad effects of gambling because those who are already heavily addicted so it is difficult to leave it. In addition to playing time as you say they play in the middle of the night continuously, of course, it is also a bad impact that will damage their health and their mentality. The magnitude of the adverse effects of gambling if they are already heavily addicted, so it is difficult to get rid of this habit.

For some people, this endless desire is what drives them to do terrible things. Do you agree? This pickle, this jumbled mess of bad options, sounds like a deep pit of sadness. Like drug addiction, gambling can trap people and make them do things they would never do when they are healthy. Do you agree? The lengths they go to keep their drug going show how bad it is for them.

The fact that a game meant to be fun can turn into a source of pain is both strange and interesting. Spending a lot of time gambling, losing your health and mental stability, do we think the risks are too high? My friend, the problem is figuring out when fun turns into addiction. Think about this: is it possible to find balance, or will things always go down?

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Quote from: Docnaster on October 30, 2023, 08:27:01 AM

When a gambler is addicted to gambling, he's not just a threat his personal life and future but also a threat to everyone around him including family members. An addicted gambler is very ready to to anything that'll provide him the money to continue his gambling including stealing and other illicit activities that are condemnable by the general society. That's it's very important to notify anyone who wants venture in to gambling to leave how to gamble responsibly or leave anything that has to do with gambling.

I have a family who is addicted to drugs but I think they have the same principle because, in my observations, they are willing to sacrifice anybody just to fill their needs because they don't really care about anyone anymore as long as they get the means to do their addictions. Just like the story I always relate concerning this topic, when our neighbor befriended a gambling addict, they won't give him peace because whenever he loses all the money from playing cards, he goes to ask for money from them even in the middle of the night where everyone is sleeping and this is a real story because I witnessed it myself. this is how mad they are and they cannot just simply stop whenever they want.

You say drugs are the same, I think so too. Addiction to gambling is not much different from addiction in that those who are already heavily addicted will feel a phase when they have no money at all and in themselves really want to gamble, just like drug addiction, right?
At times like this, they can do negative things that can harm other people who don't know anything like committing crimes or stealing or anything so that they can do the habit called addiction.

When they play by forcibly asking for money from anyone, it also includes the bad effects of gambling because those who are already heavily addicted so it is difficult to leave it. In addition to playing time as you say they play in the middle of the night continuously, of course, it is also a bad impact that will damage their health and their mentality. The magnitude of the adverse effects of gambling if they are already heavily addicted, so it is difficult to get rid of this habit.

I think there's a crossover between gambling and drug addiction but many things are really different too
with drugs the person usually has a good experience
with gambling the experience could be good or bad, but even with bad experiences the addicted gambler keep hooked to it and craving for more.

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Quote from: Docnaster on October 30, 2023, 08:27:01 AM

When a gambler is addicted to gambling, he's not just a threat his personal life and future but also a threat to everyone around him including family members. An addicted gambler is very ready to to anything that'll provide him the money to continue his gambling including stealing and other illicit activities that are condemnable by the general society. That's it's very important to notify anyone who wants venture in to gambling to leave how to gamble responsibly or leave anything that has to do with gambling.

We should be extremely careful when gambling, know what you can afford to lose and stake with it. Addiction kills slowly and unnoticed. We should be careful when facing an addicted gambler because these set of people have just one thing ringing in their head, they are desperate to bet on games, knowing fully well that they don't stand a chance to win, but they keep steady attempts and having slim chances of winning. If you have ever been with a addicted gambler, you will notice that, they have strong hope of having enormous winning which they believed will cover up for their heavy loses.

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Quote from: yazher on October 31, 2023, 03:00:28 AM

Quote from: Docnaster on October 30, 2023, 08:27:01 AM

When a gambler is addicted to gambling, he's not just a threat his personal life and future but also a threat to everyone around him including family members. An addicted gambler is very ready to to anything that'll provide him the money to continue his gambling including stealing and other illicit activities that are condemnable by the general society. That's it's very important to notify anyone who wants venture in to gambling to leave how to gamble responsibly or leave anything that has to do with gambling.

I have a family who is addicted to drugs but I think they have the same principle because, in my observations, they are willing to sacrifice anybody just to fill their needs because they don't really care about anyone anymore as long as they get the means to do their addictions. Just like the story I always relate concerning this topic, when our neighbor befriended a gambling addict, they won't give him peace because whenever he loses all the money from playing cards, he goes to ask for money from them even in the middle of the night where everyone is sleeping and this is a real story because I witnessed it myself. this is how mad they are and they cannot just simply stop whenever they want.

You say drugs are the same, I think so too. Addiction to gambling is not much different from addiction in that those who are already heavily addicted will feel a phase when they have no money at all and in themselves really want to gamble, just like drug addiction, right?
At times like this, they can do negative things that can harm other people who don't know anything like committing crimes or stealing or anything so that they can do the habit called addiction.

When they play by forcibly asking for money from anyone, it also includes the bad effects of gambling because those who are already heavily addicted so it is difficult to leave it. In addition to playing time as you say they play in the middle of the night continuously, of course, it is also a bad impact that will damage their health and their mentality. The magnitude of the adverse effects of gambling if they are already heavily addicted, so it is difficult to get rid of this habit.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on October 31, 2023, 03:41:44 AM

Quote from: junder on October 31, 2023, 01:41:13 AM

yes because gambling has made them addicted even though they always lose but successful gambling makes them crazy to gamble. They pursue satisfaction that never gets so they continue to gamble with high hopes of winning, occasionally they will win but because they are crazy about gambling so they don't have a sense of satisfaction because they haven't reached their highest point, so they will continue to chase that empty dream with hope.

Whatever results they get, it will make them still crazy about gambling and they will continue to gamble even more often than before. They cannot control themselves to limit their gambling because they still hope to win more money from gambling. And when they lose from gambling, they will only experience disappointment and perhaps anger because they have lost and that causes them to return to gambling again. They will not be able to realize that gambling is just for fun.

Yes it is true, it is also difficult for them to realize the impact of gambling if they are already crazy. Even though they have lost many times, their ambition to pursue victory will not just disappear, maybe they will be satisfied when they win with a very large value so they can have their own gambling company hahaha. I myself feel sorry for them but sometimes I also want to laugh at those who are ambitious to get rich quickly with gambling. anger, greed, that's what must be removed from themselves when they gamble, I see people who play gambling but not to the point of being crazy, maybe they gamble with the aim of entertainment, nothing more than that.

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Quote from: junder on October 31, 2023, 01:41:13 AM

That's right even though they get support or encouragement but they themselves don't realize the bad effects of gambling it's a waste of time, advice and suggestions will pass by without them being considered in the future. I myself admit that getting rid of inherent habits is difficult, in my opinion gambling addiction is not much different from drug addiction, I have seen people who are heavily addicted to gambling where they have not gambled because their money has run out but they sell all the things they have to return to gambling, the same is the case with drug addiction, they will do anything to return to the addiction that has been attached to them. So as you said the importance of self-awareness must be set in their mindset.

That means his family has wasted their time trying to advise the gambler to realize his mistake because the gambler still doesn't want to accept advice from anyone. It is difficult for gamblers to realize their mistakes because no one can change their mindset and they think they are right and for this reason, they continue gambling. Gambling addiction is indeed difficult to get rid of and it requires a lot of things to be able to make gamblers who are addicted to gambling realize their mistakes. Their mindset must really be changed by providing understanding and perhaps real evidence that they have a serious gambling addiction. There are still ways that those closest to him can do to help the gambling addict to cure his gambling addiction.

Most gambling addicts do not accept advice or input from other people, friends or family, because they are convinced that gambling will give them a big win so they don't care about input or advice from people. It's hard if they can't accept input and advice, I myself can only give advice when my friend is heavily addicted to gambling and explain the bad effects of gambling. people who have given input and advice will get fed up if he still can't realize the losses he has lost because of gambling. So just let the addict spend their whole life until they die if they can't change their mindset.

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Quote from: klidex on October 31, 2023, 09:02:43 PM

This is very good by providing solutions or understanding about gambling to our friends who are here. This will lead us to become better individuals in the future to be able to minimize losses and negative impacts that will be experienced due to gambling.

However, actually gambling is not completely bad, it depends on each individual who uses gambling, as long as we can use it in a good, disciplined and responsible manner, we will use our time wisely and control ourselves well, with this we will not experience a gambling addiction.

That's how it should be, friend, by reminding friends through this forum, we can share and learn to be better individuals by listening to or reading the experiences that our friends have experienced here, so that we can also conclude that this will prevent and reduce the impact of gambling risks.

Agree with you, if gambling is done by someone who is under his control then it will not be a problem for him, whereas if gambling is done by someone who is addicted then he will experience bad things because he cannot control himself in gambling and it will not be beneficial for the person who addicted.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on October 31, 2023, 04:16:35 AM

Common sense is not something that is even still common this days, and this is generally, not just for gambling addicts Grin

Anyways, very much agree with all that you have said, maintaining a healthy gambling habit requires conscious efforts from the gambler, for without conscious efforts, it is very easy for a gambler to fall or slip into addiction even without knowing it.

So, this is why we must not stop advising, preaching the responsible gambling message every day, most especially, in forums like this one where we have a lot of gambling people or a community of gamblers, for we know not who is reading or might come around and read tomorrow and through the message here, avert what could have lead him or her into gambling addiction.

I think there are still a handful of people who still use common sense not to depend on the results of gambling and only use it for entertainment, but what you say is true. Not for people who are addicted rarely use their common sense. when gambling, all they think about is being able to play and play.

Maybe through this forum we can advise each other to always be careful and maintain control when gambling, because we have all experienced losing or winning in gambling, so that with the experiences experienced by the people here we can learn lessons and make the best of the experience. from them. So I think there's nothing wrong if we always remind each other even through intermediaries on this forum, right?

This is very good by providing solutions or understanding about gambling to our friends who are here. This will lead us to become better individuals in the future to be able to minimize losses and negative impacts that will be experienced due to gambling.

However, actually gambling is not completely bad, it depends on each individual who uses gambling, as long as we can use it in a good, disciplined and responsible manner, we will use our time wisely and control ourselves well, with this we will not experience a gambling addiction.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on October 31, 2023, 04:16:35 AM

Common sense is not something that is even still common this days, and this is generally, not just for gambling addicts Grin

Anyways, very much agree with all that you have said, maintaining a healthy gambling habit requires conscious efforts from the gambler, for without conscious efforts, it is very easy for a gambler to fall or slip into addiction even without knowing it.

So, this is why we must not stop advising, preaching the responsible gambling message every day, most especially, in forums like this one where we have a lot of gambling people or a community of gamblers, for we know not who is reading or might come around and read tomorrow and through the message here, avert what could have lead him or her into gambling addiction.

I think there are still a handful of people who still use common sense not to depend on the results of gambling and only use it for entertainment, but what you say is true. Not for people who are addicted rarely use their common sense. when gambling, all they think about is being able to play and play.

Maybe through this forum we can advise each other to always be careful and maintain control when gambling, because we have all experienced losing or winning in gambling, so that with the experiences experienced by the people here we can learn lessons and make the best of the experience. from them. So I think there's nothing wrong if we always remind each other even through intermediaries on this forum, right?

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Quote from: Negotiation on October 31, 2023, 07:50:30 AM

Quote from: yazher on October 31, 2023, 03:00:28 AM

Quote from: Docnaster on October 30, 2023, 08:27:01 AM

When a gambler is addicted to gambling, he's not just a threat his personal life and future but also a threat to everyone around him including family members. An addicted gambler is very ready to to anything that'll provide him the money to continue his gambling including stealing and other illicit activities that are condemnable by the general society. That's it's very important to notify anyone who wants venture in to gambling to leave how to gamble responsibly or leave anything that has to do with gambling.

I have a family who is addicted to drugs but I think they have the same principle because, in my observations, they are willing to sacrifice anybody just to fill their needs because they don't really care about anyone anymore as long as they get the means to do their addictions. Just like the story I always relate concerning this topic, when our neighbor befriended a gambling addict, they won't give him peace because whenever he loses all the money from playing cards, he goes to ask for money from them even in the middle of the night where everyone is sleeping and this is a real story because I witnessed it myself. this is how mad they are and they cannot just simply stop whenever they want.

Rightly said when it becomes crazy it is no longer just a game it becomes an addiction. Gambling addiction is an irresistible and uncontrollable urge to gamble it is very difficult not to fulfill that need most of the time is passed by gambling or thinking about gambling. Always does a good job of hiding there is a tendency to hide money and even steal it. A kind of inferiority also works in itself can't get away from it despite repeated attempts. This is a big problem that many people are reluctant to admit gambling addicts shun those who prohibit or do so.

Yes and their madness comes from themselves, or in other words they create their own opportunities to get crazy in their gambling activities, none other than in my opinion it is because they are too excessive in gambling by putting too high expectations when on the other hand this is just an activity that depends on luck alone, but strangely they are very selfish by always expecting to go home with a big win.

When you are already trapped in addiction then yes I make sure you will have difficulty dealing with all the conditions that are there, you will lose control of yourself, and you will only be moved by your lust which in the end always ends in frustration. For gamblers who are addicted to this activity, they cannot miss it, they always think about how they can gamble and win, even though there is absolutely no guarantee and all that exists is to continue to lose. Yes, the fear is that when they do not have the ability in terms of money to gamble then surely they will take actions that are out of control, such as stealing maybe. Obviously this is not a small problem, I think there must be people around him who help to make him realize, although yes I realize this is quite difficult but that does not mean it is impossible.

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Quote from: yazher on October 31, 2023, 03:00:28 AM

Quote from: Docnaster on October 30, 2023, 08:27:01 AM

When a gambler is addicted to gambling, he's not just a threat his personal life and future but also a threat to everyone around him including family members. An addicted gambler is very ready to to anything that'll provide him the money to continue his gambling including stealing and other illicit activities that are condemnable by the general society. That's it's very important to notify anyone who wants venture in to gambling to leave how to gamble responsibly or leave anything that has to do with gambling.

I have a family who is addicted to drugs but I think they have the same principle because, in my observations, they are willing to sacrifice anybody just to fill their needs because they don't really care about anyone anymore as long as they get the means to do their addictions. Just like the story I always relate concerning this topic, when our neighbor befriended a gambling addict, they won't give him peace because whenever he loses all the money from playing cards, he goes to ask for money from them even in the middle of the night where everyone is sleeping and this is a real story because I witnessed it myself. this is how mad they are and they cannot just simply stop whenever they want.

Rightly said when it becomes crazy it is no longer just a game it becomes an addiction. Gambling addiction is an irresistible and uncontrollable urge to gamble it is very difficult not to fulfill that need most of the time is passed by gambling or thinking about gambling. Always does a good job of hiding there is a tendency to hide money and even steal it. A kind of inferiority also works in itself can't get away from it despite repeated attempts. This is a big problem that many people are reluctant to admit gambling addicts shun those who prohibit or do so.

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Quote from: yazher on October 31, 2023, 03:00:28 AM

Quote from: Docnaster on October 30, 2023, 08:27:01 AM

When a gambler is addicted to gambling, he's not just a threat his personal life and future but also a threat to everyone around him including family members. An addicted gambler is very ready to to anything that'll provide him the money to continue his gambling including stealing and other illicit activities that are condemnable by the general society. That's it's very important to notify anyone who wants venture in to gambling to leave how to gamble responsibly or leave anything that has to do with gambling.

I have a family who is addicted to drugs but I think they have the same principle because, in my observations, they are willing to sacrifice anybody just to fill their needs because they don't really care about anyone anymore as long as they get the means to do their addictions. Just like the story I always relate concerning this topic, when our neighbor befriended a gambling addict, they won't give him peace because whenever he loses all the money from playing cards, he goes to ask for money from them even in the middle of the night where everyone is sleeping and this is a real story because I witnessed it myself. this is how mad they are and they cannot just simply stop whenever they want.

Indeed, same principle in terms of action that they are doing when the rush for playing the game or taking the drugs is concerns, they are willing to do everything and stake all that they've got just to please their lust, it's not an easy job to quit for the day if they don't have any money, they will push and will try to do even things that you'll not go to expect they can do it just to continue and satisfied their needs, I also believe since it's not just a story but reality that happening around.

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Quote from: Winterfrost on October 29, 2023, 05:18:39 AM

Having a taste of continuous success during gimbling is really addictive. Whenever you have any money you will use it to gamble because you belief that no matter how you lose you win over shine the loss. Gambling can be very addictive but to the extend of kidnapping your own daughter. Let me put it this way endangering your family is something crazy to think about. I think the problem he has is that he is not satisfied with the amount of his winning and would want to bet more. It might be in two instances. The other instance is that he has lost the money giving to him by his family for elderly care by gambling so he needs to get the money back so fast by gambling. One thing am sure it is very difficult to come back from a loss and even if you do there is still a probability that a gambler will continue betting because of lack of contentment and greed.

Gambling can turn out to be a problem when been addicted. Have seen cases of people placing bet on their entire monthly income without considering how the family will feed for the month. That's why it's very important to plan ahead of his/her monthly income by making a reasonable budget of how the money will be spent. For him to have kidnapped his grandchild for gambling sake, that mean he is addicted to the extent that he can do anything to get money for gambling.

Most people who are addicted to gambling cannot use their common sense well because addicted people will do anything to get money to gamble again, even if it is a criminal act.

If you want to gamble, the important thing is how to stay in control when playing, you can determine the limits of the money you will bet, for example using the remaining monthly money for your family, or you can only gamble if you have money. . If you don't have money, it's better not to force yourself to gamble. . And if you can exercise self-control then it won't be a burden on your family or yourself.

Common sense is not something that is even still common this days, and this is generally, not just for gambling addicts Grin

Anyways, very much agree with all that you have said, maintaining a healthy gambling habit requires conscious efforts from the gambler, for without conscious efforts, it is very easy for a gambler to fall or slip into addiction even without knowing it.

So, this is why we must not stop advising, preaching the responsible gambling message every day, most especially, in forums like this one where we have a lot of gambling people or a community of gamblers, for we know not who is reading or might come around and read tomorrow and through the message here, avert what could have lead him or her into gambling addiction.

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Quote from: junder on October 31, 2023, 01:41:13 AM

yes because gambling has made them addicted even though they always lose but successful gambling makes them crazy to gamble. They pursue satisfaction that never gets so they continue to gamble with high hopes of winning, occasionally they will win but because they are crazy about gambling so they don't have a sense of satisfaction because they haven't reached their highest point, so they will continue to chase that empty dream with hope.

Whatever results they get, it will make them still crazy about gambling and they will continue to gamble even more often than before. They cannot control themselves to limit their gambling because they still hope to win more money from gambling. And when they lose from gambling, they will only experience disappointment and perhaps anger because they have lost and that causes them to return to gambling again. They will not be able to realize that gambling is just for fun.

Quote from: junder on October 31, 2023, 01:41:13 AM

That's right even though they get support or encouragement but they themselves don't realize the bad effects of gambling it's a waste of time, advice and suggestions will pass by without them being considered in the future. I myself admit that getting rid of inherent habits is difficult, in my opinion gambling addiction is not much different from drug addiction, I have seen people who are heavily addicted to gambling where they have not gambled because their money has run out but they sell all the things they have to return to gambling, the same is the case with drug addiction, they will do anything to return to the addiction that has been attached to them. So as you said the importance of self-awareness must be set in their mindset.

That means his family has wasted their time trying to advise the gambler to realize his mistake because the gambler still doesn't want to accept advice from anyone. It is difficult for gamblers to realize their mistakes because no one can change their mindset and they think they are right and for this reason, they continue gambling. Gambling addiction is indeed difficult to get rid of and it requires a lot of things to be able to make gamblers who are addicted to gambling realize their mistakes. Their mindset must really be changed by providing understanding and perhaps real evidence that they have a serious gambling addiction. There are still ways that those closest to him can do to help the gambling addict to cure his gambling addiction.

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Quote from: Docnaster on October 30, 2023, 08:27:01 AM

When a gambler is addicted to gambling, he's not just a threat his personal life and future but also a threat to everyone around him including family members. An addicted gambler is very ready to to anything that'll provide him the money to continue his gambling including stealing and other illicit activities that are condemnable by the general society. That's it's very important to notify anyone who wants venture in to gambling to leave how to gamble responsibly or leave anything that has to do with gambling.

I have a family who is addicted to drugs but I think they have the same principle because, in my observations, they are willing to sacrifice anybody just to fill their needs because they don't really care about anyone anymore as long as they get the means to do their addictions. Just like the story I always relate concerning this topic, when our neighbor befriended a gambling addict, they won't give him peace because whenever he loses all the money from playing cards, he goes to ask for money from them even in the middle of the night where everyone is sleeping and this is a real story because I witnessed it myself. this is how mad they are and they cannot just simply stop whenever they want.

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