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Quote from: btc_zero_sum on June 27, 2016, 07:47:50 AM

Quote from: Spoetnik on June 26, 2016, 05:47:18 PM

So i pretty much just see what is in ALT-Main..

BOTH have had their share of spammy antics i think we all agree.
But Monero's 2 year long history is what i noticed..
The Morono crew has been unbelievably manipulative here and deceitful.
They play games..
They have orchestrated spam here that was clearly organized & planned and not organic / real.
I have watched them ramp up a campaign then push this forum to the limit many times.
They push as hard as they can they reel it in hide & play dumb.. then do it all over again.

it's simple: they get paid to spam monero. otherwise how do you explain this people are ready to spam it 24h/7 and usually answer to any post in a matter of minutes? and i believe behind the scenes there are actually 2-3 people that handle around 10 accounts (check writing styles), doing this as a job

It's idiots like you that are high up on the governmental pole and can't figure out how to destroy organizations like wikileaks and anonymous. News flash, idiots, we're decentralized, like-minded, and motivated. But keep on believing what you want to believe and suffer for how wrong-headed you are.

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The other problem facing Monero is that their awesome RingCT upgrade just might not be actually desirable:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15381217

I say that with a heavy heart, because I invented essentially the same technology as RingCT, named Zero Knowledge Transactions. But I abandoned ZKT because I didn't see the great marketing win. I tried to find some coin to take my technology and no one was interested. Just goes to show there isn't much demand for it.

Monero's problem from the start was that DASH beat them to the first mover advantage of the hype around anonymity. AnonyMint and Gmaxwell had basically ignited that hype demand for anonymity back in 2013. Gmaxwell wrote about CoinJoin and AnonyMint was writing about how anonymity was necessary for fungibility and generally pointing out the coming battle against centralization of mining and potentially blacklisting. Then Mike Hearn proposed that redlisting, blacklisting, whitelisting crap, and the interest in anonymity exploded.

So Monero was later than DASH on marketing, so they tried to compensate by emphasizing the fair mining launch and rpietila bought some and started telling preaching that it was the only altcoin he would buy after being a Bitcoin-only maximallist. AnonyMint got pissed off at rpietila (his former colleague in silver trading) for prematurely trying to kill experimentation in altcoins. AnonyMint become a thorn in Monero threads and they began to see him as someone they had to destroy reputationally wise.

DASH seems to have moved on to payment technology.

AnonyMint would waver away from criticizing Monero and then at times come back to it again. This was because AnonyMint was in the midst of sorting it all out in his mind as well. So AnonyMint was having mixed thoughts along the way of discovery. Of course there was the BCX incident along the way also.

Through all of it, I gained a lot of respect for smooth's logic skills and also his ethics. The one thing that bothered me was that smooth believed in the concepts of Monero's culture and I didn't. This includes the leaderless open source concept (which I don't think is how open source is really done), and the tolerance of bad apples in the community, as well as the censorship of the Monero Speculation thread. I could understand censoring the ANN thread, but not an ongoing discussion thread.

In any case, I still respect their coders, except the ones who are condescending.

I don't hate ArticMine. The issue is philosophical to the core of who I am. He has a Communist core (normal when coming from academia) and I detest Communism. It even bleeds into for example the culture I mentioned above.

Any way, it is too much to verbiage to try to explain all the nuances.

The bottom line is that Monero needed a market, but the only one they found was the delusion of "we are holier than thou" communism. That is my rough sketch stereotype, but of course there are other nuanced ways to look at it.

I don't see the demand for their technology and I don't see the culture of their community succeeding.

Sorry. And good luck. I could be wrong.

Edit: Monero could have done an ICO back in 2014 and pooled a lot of money to fund development. IMO, they blew their chance to be relevant. But let's see maybe they can shift their focus to corporations and compete with Zcash.

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Quote from: Spoetnik on June 26, 2016, 05:47:18 PM

So i pretty much just see what is in ALT-Main..

BOTH have had their share of spammy antics i think we all agree.
But Monero's 2 year long history is what i noticed..
The Morono crew has been unbelievably manipulative here and deceitful.
They play games..
They have orchestrated spam here that was clearly organized & planned and not organic / real.
I have watched them ramp up a campaign then push this forum to the limit many times.
They push as hard as they can they reel it in hide & play dumb.. then do it all over again.

it's simple: they get paid to spam monero. otherwise how do you explain this people are ready to spam it 24h/7 and usually answer to any post in a matter of minutes? and i believe behind the scenes there are actually 2-3 people that handle around 10 accounts (check writing styles), doing this as a job

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Quote from: Arrakeen on June 26, 2016, 03:54:54 PM

I agree that the Monero shills fill this forum with spam and XMR advertising - every board has hundreds of 'Will monero do this' or 'is scamcoin x better than scamcoin monero' or 'xmr is related to this board because x' posts and threads trying to make monero relevant to every little thing, with the hope that more newbies will buy in.

But creating this thread only gives them more attention - more unnecessary drama only gives them more popularity (even bad publicity is publicity!). Ignore them, let the monero team circle jerk each other until they get sick and tired of themselves

This topic was probably started by a Dash supporter out to bad mouth them.
They (Monero) have it coming.. they have fueled the fire every step of the way.

I see two issues.. my own agenda and the Dash agenda.
The two have no connection basically.
Aside from i give them silent nod Cool

I see some of what they do although i am not reading all these other misc coin ANN topics etc.
So i pretty much just see what is in ALT-Main..

BOTH have had their share of spammy antics i think we all agree.
But Monero's 2 year long history is what i noticed..
The Morono crew has been unbelievably manipulative here and deceitful.
They play games..
They have orchestrated spam here that was clearly organized & planned and not organic / real.
I have watched them ramp up a campaign then push this forum to the limit many times.
They push as hard as they can they reel it in hide & play dumb.. then do it all over again.

I will admit they have not been doing it THAT BAD for a long time !
BUT !
These arrogant mouthy assholes have the fucking nerve
to sit here and pretend we all did not catch them doing it !
They prance around as though they are a model of class & integrity when we all know it's pure bullshit.

They stopped the spam campaigns here *mostly* because we all flipped out on them and said STFU
They had no choice.. it's not like they act that way because it's the right thing to do.
It's because the got caught doing it too much and called out.

I have checked out that "Speculation" topic for example before and these guy were using it as MSN Messenger.. posting pointless off-topic garbage.
Simply so they could get the keyword Monero on the top of page one.
THEN they have the audacity to sit there and play dumb about it.
Have you guys seen the bloody post count on that 1 topic alone ?
SPAM.
And that i use to be nothing more than their lead off.. flag ship banner.
A part of a whole slew of topics they would bump like crazy.
I know i was riding the ass it about for YEARS !

Like why the hell do you all think i just posted this comment ?
You think i perceived something i think was dishonest ONCE ?
Then decided to FUD them for life ?
Nooope i have watched a systematic pattern of bad behavior & dishonesty at work here by them.
And if you are willing to LIE on a forum then i guarantee they are pulling a lot more we do NOT see.

I don't like liars.. and i have no problem calling them out.
I deal with them in real life and they often look at me all surprised i called them out on their shit LOL
Few people ever do..they usually go quiet and wander off.

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Quote from: iamnotback on June 26, 2016, 04:01:51 PM

Perhaps you missed my rebuttal to that "Monero is fungible" sales pitch:

Quote from: iamnotback on June 26, 2016, 06:48:51 AM

Quote from: smooth on August 29, 2014, 05:18:17 PM

Only systems that are structurally incompatible with fraud don't suffer from the overhang of potential fraud.

This is indeed true. Unfortunately Monero has periodic forks and thus its mining is not structurally incompatible with protocol fucked by the consensus or even a very powerful hashrate adversary.

So to argue that ring sigs are structurally incompatible with blacklisting is not absolutely true, for as long as mining could change the protocol and force every txn to reveal its viewkey.

Altcoins can't have assured protocol resilience without assured decentralization of mining AND scaling. Because without scaling, you can't prevent against 51% (or 10X) attack.

Crossposted:

First of all I thought that the forks were only during beta and second how can you identify someones coins to blacklist them on a fork if they don't share them with you? And arguing that anything is not what it's intended to be because it can be hardforked is really a logic fail. That is like saying gravity is not reliable because one day the world will spiral into the sun.

Quote from: iamnotback on June 26, 2016, 01:46:00 PM

You have declined to tell me or the public the exact type of illness or handicap you've been hit with, so I can only empathize and accept your word-of-honor that it is a truly irreversible condition.

But technology is always moving forward. Maybe it isn't totally irreversible forever.

My personal experience is that a physical impediment can make it impossible to code. I thought I was Superman and could code with advanced, chronic, acute auto-immunity disease, but I learned that I had to try to cure that before I could function at a high enough level of energy and mental clarity to code again.

I have not declined, I have not been asked that I remember. I will PM you the reason.

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Quote from: Hueristic on June 26, 2016, 03:42:24 PM

Quote from: iamnotback on June 26, 2016, 01:46:00 PM

To make sure it is 100% clear that my only recent complaint against Monero were the following and nothing else:

1. Their "we are the shit and assimilate or die" community attitude.

I think you may be misinterpreting the "We are the only viable fungable choice join us while there is still time before TPTB move against us" for "your coin is stupid capitulate".
Tongue

Although those arguments do come in the form of trolling far too often but as a community we really don't have control of that and that is what makes it an open community, your arguing for a centralized authority to come in and control which is against all VC beliefs. Think about that please. You have to take the good with the bad in some situations to achieve true freedom.

Quote from: iamnotback on June 26, 2016, 01:46:00 PM

2. Pushing it as the only worthy altcoin, when in fact they haven't yet earned that distinction. Just because you claim to have competitive and fair distribution and an open source development, doesn't mean you've actually changed anything yet in our world and ecosystem. It will be self-evident once you do.

I may be wrong but I do believe (even when I'm not holding like right now) that XMR really is the only current viable solution to fungability. If you know of another please enlighten me, and don't tell me about vaporware, I mean a tangible functioning product right now. In the future this assuredly will not be true but right now I believe it to be.

Perhaps you missed my rebuttal to that "Monero is fungible" sales pitch:

Quote from: iamnotback on June 26, 2016, 06:48:51 AM

Quote from: smooth on August 29, 2014, 05:18:17 PM

Only systems that are structurally incompatible with fraud don't suffer from the overhang of potential fraud.

This is indeed true. Unfortunately Monero has periodic forks and thus its mining is not structurally incompatible with protocol fucked by the consensus or even a very powerful hashrate adversary.

So to argue that ring sigs are structurally incompatible with blacklisting is not absolutely true, for as long as mining could change the protocol and force every txn to reveal its viewkey.

Altcoins can't have assured protocol resilience without assured decentralization of mining AND scaling. Because without scaling, you can't prevent against 51% (or 10X) attack.

Quote from: Hueristic on June 26, 2016, 03:42:24 PM

Quote from: iamnotback on June 26, 2016, 01:46:00 PM

I don't think we need to go on and on harping on it.

Do not forget unlike most of the shit alts XMR is and has never purported otherwise to be in beta.

Quote from: iamnotback on June 26, 2016, 01:46:00 PM

We who code, need to code. Everyone else relies on us doing so. The more who code, the better.

This is so true, I regret no longer having that ability every day of my life. You never know what you had until it's gone.

You have declined to tell me or the public the exact type of illness or handicap you've been hit with, so I can only empathize and accept your word-of-honor that it is a truly irreversible condition.

But technology is always moving forward. Maybe it isn't totally irreversible forever.

My personal experience is that a physical impediment can make it impossible to code. I thought I was Superman and could code with advanced, chronic, acute auto-immunity disease, but I learned that I had to try to cure that before I could function at a high enough level of energy and mental clarity to code again.

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I agree that the Monero shills fill this forum with spam and XMR advertising - every board has hundreds of 'Will monero do this' or 'is scamcoin x better than scamcoin monero' or 'xmr is related to this board because x' posts and threads trying to make monero relevant to every little thing, with the hope that more newbies will buy in.

But creating this thread only gives them more attention - more unnecessary drama only gives them more popularity (even bad publicity is publicity!). Ignore them, let the monero team circle jerk each other until they get sick and tired of themselves

Spoetnik

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I had a long talk with Febo about this all today on IRC
and i had no idea about any of the last 8 or so comments either.

I really don't think he is David Latapie.. i'd be like 95% sure on that.

You see ICEBREAKERS bullshit here today running around making a big stink ?
I posted why didn't you report that dash spammer ?
..instead of making a Dash attack topic ?
My comment was deleted by him.

Get it yet boys ?

NOTHING ever fucking changes with these guys.. same old same old.

..and they are too dumb & stubborn to see they are sinking their own coin.

Hueristic

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Quote from: Febo on June 26, 2016, 01:38:22 PM

I am not French. Anyone can Whois me if wish on IRC. i dont use any vpn. If you are to busy to check my post history.

If anyone for sure I know that Febo logs to Febo account and post under Febo nick. Here and in most places.

Shut up froggy! Tongue

Quote from: iamnotback on June 26, 2016, 01:46:00 PM

To make sure it is 100% clear that my only recent complaint against Monero were the following and nothing else:

1. Their "we are the shit and assimilate or die" community attitude.

I think you may be misinterpreting the "We are the only viable fungable choice join us while there is still time before TPTB move against us" for "your coin is stupid capitulate".
Tongue

Although those arguments do come in the form of trolling far too often but as a community we really don't have control of that and that is what makes it an open community, your arguing for a centralized authority to come in and control which is against all VC beliefs. Think about that please. You have to take the good with the bad in some situations to achieve true freedom.

Quote from: iamnotback on June 26, 2016, 01:46:00 PM

2. Pushing it as the only worthy altcoin, when in fact they haven't yet earned that distinction. Just because you claim to have competitive and fair distribution and an open source development, doesn't mean you've actually changed anything yet in our world and ecosystem. It will be self-evident once you do.

I may be wrong but I do believe (even when I'm not holding like right now) that XMR really is the only current viable solution to fungability. If you know of another please enlighten me, and don't tell me about vaporware, I mean a tangible functioning product right now. In the future this assuredly will not be true but right now I believe it to be.

Quote from: iamnotback on June 26, 2016, 01:46:00 PM

I don't think we need to go on and on harping on it.

Do not forget unlike most of the shit alts XMR is and has never purported otherwise to be in beta.

Quote from: iamnotback on June 26, 2016, 01:46:00 PM

We who code, need to code. Everyone else relies on us doing so. The more who code, the better.

This is so true, I regret no longer having that ability every day of my life. You never know what you had until it's gone.

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Quote from: Febo on June 26, 2016, 01:59:33 PM

Quote from: From Above on June 26, 2016, 01:42:58 PM

Quote from: Febo on June 26, 2016, 01:38:22 PM

I am not French. Anyone can Whois me if wish on IRC. i dont use any vpn. If you are to busy to check my post history.

If anyone for sure I know that Febo logs to Febo account and post under Febo nick. Here and in most places.

It's okay Febo, I honestly don't even care. U could be David or not, what would it change, what would it mean.

It wouldn't be important either way.

~CfA~

Exactly that. You made this up posted it, then PMEd me with question if I am and then apologized and deleted your post and most likely asked Pistacia to post it again, what you and other will quote latter.

What matters is on which garden this unimportant lie grow up.

I know who I am so i dont need to check myself if I am really me or not. For others like you who made this up and post it and latter will quote it would be nice to spare few minutes to check it. I showed you few ways.

No I did not make this up. Someone from the Monero guys told me that u are David. I just thought it was true. U told us otherwise. It doesn't really matter to me. I don't even know who Pistacia is.

It really doesn't matter. Just let it go buddy

~CfA~

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Quote from: From Above on June 26, 2016, 01:42:58 PM

Quote from: Febo on June 26, 2016, 01:38:22 PM

I am not French. Anyone can Whois me if wish on IRC. i dont use any vpn. If you are to busy to check my post history.

If anyone for sure I know that Febo logs to Febo account and post under Febo nick. Here and in most places.

It's okay Febo, I honestly don't even care. U could be David or not, what would it change, what would it mean.

It wouldn't be important either way.

~CfA~

Exactly that. You made this up posted it, then PMEd me with question if I am and then apologized and deleted your post and most likely asked Pistacia to post it again, what you and other will quote latter.

What matters is on which garden this unimportant lie grow up.

I know who I am so i dont need to check myself if I am really me or not. For others like you who made this up and post it and latter will quote it would be nice to spare few minutes to check it. I showed you few ways.

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To make sure it is 100% clear that my only recent complaint against Monero were the following and nothing else:

1. Their "we are the shit and assimilate or die" community attitude.

2. Pushing it as the only worthy altcoin, when in fact they haven't yet earned that distinction. Just because you claim to have competitive and fair distribution and an open source development, doesn't mean you've actually changed anything yet in our world and ecosystem. It will be self-evident once you do.

I don't think we need to go on and on harping on it.

We who code, need to code. Everyone else relies on us doing so. The more who code, the better.

Speculators need to do their part and stop rewarding failure.

Meritocracy.

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Quote from: Febo on June 26, 2016, 01:38:22 PM

I am not French. Anyone can Whois me if wish on IRC. i dont use any vpn. If you are to busy to check my post history.

If anyone for sure I know that Febo logs to Febo account and post under Febo nick. Here and in most places.

It's okay Febo, I honestly don't even care. U could be David or not, what would it change, what would it mean.

It wouldn't be important either way.

~CfA~

Febo

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I am not French. Anyone can Whois me if wish on IRC. i dont use any vpn. If you are to busy to check my post history.

If anyone for sure I know that Febo logs to Febo account and post under Febo nick. Here and in most places.

From Above

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Quote from: Pistacia on June 26, 2016, 04:35:05 AM

Quote from: Spoetnik on June 26, 2016, 12:46:19 AM

Febo told me via PM before David Latapie WAS in the Monero Team etc.
Even though when i posted my French Police Fraud topic they ALL demanded he was not !
And they said that all over Crypto too such as in my IRC logs with them.
(constantly demanding he (Latapie) and Risto were NEVER apart of "The Team")

Then look at this.. Where Risto says..

hi spoetnik just another little part not to overlook:

Febo is David Latapie, it's his main alt account.

Oh u've been told the same? I was told the same and I found it rather plausible

Both r french and embody a very similar style

Also @Febo the argument with IRC and different IPs is a worthless one, cuz we all use VPNs these days. It's not rocket science 2 set that up.

~CfA~

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@Pistacia that sounds a bit stupid. But I guess is part of this forum. If anyone takes a bit of time to check my post history and davids would see the difference, not to mention checking IP on IRC. But, ...
Every idiot can join #Monero on freenode. And i did not want to call From Above an idiot on purpose right now. And check there my IP and i see there is also user named davidlatapie. So really easy homework for those that hate post rubbish.

I dont really get the point of this. You really think that people here are so stupid to believe that only few people know and hold Monero. That they need to make more then one account to look more. Or what is the point to make 2 accounts.

I know Monero FUDERs make many accounts to talk to each other and quoting stupidity as wil happen now with quoting you how i am David, and that will be at end proof I am, lol.

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Quote from: Spoetnik on June 26, 2016, 12:46:19 AM

Febo told me via PM before David Latapie WAS in the Monero Team etc.
Even though when i posted my French Police Fraud topic they ALL demanded he was not !
And they said that all over Crypto too such as in my IRC logs with them.
(constantly demanding he (Latapie) and Risto were NEVER apart of "The Team")

Then look at this.. Where Risto says..

hi spoetnik just another little part not to overlook:

Febo is David Latapie, it's his main alt account.

Spoetnik

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@Shelby fair enough about the "bickering" angle
..i was riding your ass about that hard the other day i know LOL
I get what you mean.

But by all means if you feel something needs clarification or more proof.
..then just ask.

You should know was well as anyone around here having to go and post "proof"
over & over gets exhausting.. which is why i think you copy and paste your own quotes here
..all the time.

I ain't sitting on the fence. Grin

I pretty much asked you the other day while you were bickering like a mad man
with the group of Monero Shills if you could help me focus on "other" coins.
I was ignored by all of you.. as you all continued on.

YOU WERE already bickering with them 2 days ago and NOW your on the fence being nice ?
Ok then ahhahah

Spoetnik has kind of a point ? ...a little ? Undecided

FACTS ..a snippet of their two year span of bullshit drama.
It is what it is..
And no don't blame me for it these brats can look in the mirror.
I don't log into David Latapie's forum account and post apologies on his behalf.. that is his doing !

This is all about honesty.. nothing is more important.
Don't down play it.

I have long said the chief major problem i have had with them is their incessant denial
of anything in the slightest viewed as negative.. they simply deny 100% anything EVER happened.
Which is.. DISHONEST.

Which if you are not a moron you would get how that clearly has far deeper implications.
If they are dishonest that much about things than what else have they been up to ?

All of their drama could have been prevented for the most part.
They have effectively dug a hole for themselves.
All they have ever done for 2 entire straight years is pile dishonest comment on top of comment.
Had they owned up to their OWN bullshit long ago there would be little problem from me personally.

But look at what Febo just said here.. (again)
The bloody nerve of the deceitful hypocrite shatters my mind !

They literally hang around here and play innocent angel accusing other(s) of all kinds of things that they themselves are guilty of
..then hang around here crying how every single person who ever criticized Monero was just a Troll posting FUD.
They have admitted nothing unless they were cornered HARD !
And even they they just go into hiding and then come back later in full force with a renewed campaign of denial.

Febo told me via PM before David Latapie WAS in the Monero Team etc.
Even though when i posted my French Police Fraud topic they ALL demanded he was not !
And they said that all over Crypto too such as in my IRC logs with them.
(constantly demanding he (Latapie) and Risto were NEVER apart of "The Team")

Then look at this.. Where Risto says..

Quote from: rpietila on January 04, 2016, 04:19:08 AM

Quote from: wpalczynski on January 03, 2016, 10:42:29 PM

Has anyone been able to verify if the MEW funds are accounted for?

I don't think "anyone" is the correct address when the funds are held by David Latapie and he is not in hiding in any way, last active a few days ago, still in Monero Core team, and has a CryptoKingdom account worth more than the MEW funds.

Please send your detailed inquiry to him as a PM and surely he will reply in public. This is sounding too FUDdish currently, and for no reason.

THEN..
David Latapie later admitted he was in hiding laying low for a few months.
Like for fuck sake's they can't keep their stories straight !
..that is not "Spoetnik's opinion".

Get off your ass and go read what THEY say for crying out loud.
If you are not willing to look at the evidence then STFU people.

..the very next reply on that MEW topic..

Quote from: wpalczynski on January 04, 2016, 09:01:32 AM

Quote from: rpietila on January 04, 2016, 04:19:08 AM

Quote from: wpalczynski on January 03, 2016, 10:42:29 PM

Has anyone been able to verify if the MEW funds are accounted for?

I don't think "anyone" is the correct address when the funds are held by David Latapie and he is not in hiding in any way, last active a few days ago, still in Monero Core team, and has a CryptoKingdom account worth more than the MEW funds.

Please send your detailed inquiry to him as a PM and surely he will reply in public. This is sounding too FUDdish currently, and for no reason.

FUDish? How exactly?

I am asking because there have been some questions asked about the funds in this very thread dating back to a few months ago and David Latapie has not responded.

And earlier here i said..

Quote from: Spoetnik on June 25, 2016, 12:20:22 PM

-snipped-

He spent god knows how much of YOUR money to create a forum "game" topic here in Alt-main.
How much ? he would NOT say ! ..he actually defended his behavior to his supporters asking questions insulting them calling them trolls. Roll Eyes

-snipped-

Se what i underlined and posted a couple comments back ?
Trolls / Crying "FUD" ..same type of bullshit !

Do you all just strive to argue with me in the face of facts or what ?
Crazy ..but i am willing to wonder if SOME OF YOU are "paid off"
because like come on.. cut the fucking crap. Roll Eyes

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