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Topic: The new rule (1 Merit for Jr. Member) is already reducing spam - page 6. (Read 3909 times)

legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
I've updated the OP:
In 24 hours, that's 23.3% less posts.
In 48 hours, that's 18.6% less posts.
In 1 week, that's 15.9% less posts.
Unfortunately, it looks like the spam reduction is already diminishing. That can be caused by the fact that last week the number of users with 1 Merit went up 25x faster than it did in previous weeks. Many Newbies were promoted back to Jr. Member, and many of those were ranked up through Merit abuse. I also see more Newbies wearing Copper Membership now, which allows them to continue spamming their signature.
newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 0
it was expected to happen. But I am now waiting for this to happen.

https://i.imgur.com/WBM3Gu2.jpg
really? shitpost decrease to 0?? if you want to see that,bitcointalk should reject bounty by signature Smiley),why do you think from jr member up will not shitpost?only newbie has shitpost?? when all people come this forum with the attitude building, swap knowledge, learn exprience,there are no spam post,if wr still be used rank to do bount,we will be get shit post,nothing is  absolute so I think spam post decrease to 0 is impossible,we only can restrict post spam
member
Activity: 154
Merit: 30
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In addition, I have noticed a couple of threads in altcoin boards which were interesting to read. I mean, there was a healthy discussion in last days. At least we are now started to have a little real discussion.
Long live Merit  Grin
newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 0
I was curious:
Theymos announced the "Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements" in post 45810047. This was on Sep 17 06:27 (Dutch time).
Post 45752895 was made 24 hours earlier, and post 45853867 was made 24 hours later.
Post 45705944 was made 48 hours earlier, post 45894771 was made 48 hours later.
Post 45469471 was made 1 week (plus 7 minutes) earlier, post =I'll update this next week was made 1 week (plus 7 minutes) later.
That means:
  • In 24 hours before the announcement, 57152 posts were made.
  • In 24 hours after the announcement, 43820 posts were made.
  • In 48 hours before the announcement, 104103 posts were made.
  • In 48 hours after the announcement, 84724 posts were made.
  • In 1 week (+7 minutes) before the announcement, 340576 posts were made.
  • In 1 week (+7 minutes) after the announcement, ZZZ posts were made.
In 24 hours, that's 23.3% less posts.
In 48 hours, that's 18.6% less posts.

In 1 week, that's zzz% less (Huh) posts.


When I click Show unread posts since last visit., I can now see some actual real threads again! There is still ANN and BOUNTY pollution, but in between are real topics (I have no boards on ignore on this account).


Update: theymos posted data on the number of posts per day in the past 30 days.
I see on this forum merit very important? No, it's very important to people who do bounty, bitcointalk worth trying to limit spam? but i see everyone doing bounty not just jr member, not too many jr members, the problem is the bounty of the ICO, all the ICO ask for the post number / 1 week => everyone want to do bounty they have to cmt => lots of post / 1 day and can not avoid spam, who dare sure everyone from rank member up not spam? When bitcointalk requests merit for jr member it makes a lot of people unable to do bounty and reduces the number of commet, which is very easy to understand, if bitcointalk can give up bounty with signature ("I know it is funny when I say this, but there is a vicious circle: making bounty => comment => many comments become spam to complete the bounty task) without the bounty on the forum signature will become true with the forum of crypto,Spammers will disappear, only those who want to exchange knowledge, skills, experience .... will stay, you can count how many post / 1 day, that is the actual number you ưant, with me: bounty = spammer,
full member
Activity: 490
Merit: 123
Are you able to calculate how many jr.members were born from yesterday to today and from who were born?
For example, if a person gave the birth to 10 or 20 or 30 Jr.Members can starts to be suspicious!

If you havent yet seen it, I suggest you take a look at this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/top-200-members-who-support-newbies-thanks-5034141
It shows the top users who have given merit to Newbies.

It is very nice to see that this new system is working even with all the abusers.
This was a rational way to  reduce spam in this forum. Thank you, theymos!

I imagine that we will see similar situation as when the merit system was introduced, abusers sent merit  to their alts back and forth till merit run out and then if mods will have time, they will catch the abusers one by one.


hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1416
if this means 10 merits received despite the rank you can flip the graph and will be good to show the suicide rate.  Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1218
Change is in your hands
it was expected to happen. But I am now waiting for this to happen.

full member
Activity: 420
Merit: 184
Let's see what happens in a week or so, I do not think spam has dropped so much or am I wrong? I thought it would come to -50% but we are around 5-10% what do you think?
...

The data posted by theymos a couple days ago shows about a 40% decrease in messages from the day before the meritocalypse occurred (aka the snappening, bitcointalk edition), but my informal observation of spam megathreads over the last few days is not dissimilar to yours: more specifically, posts by newbies - ie, those without signatures - have gone down dramatically, but posts by copper and jr. members with signatures has gone up quite a bit, almost cancelling each other out.

Reporting copper/jr. members for spamming is far more rewarding than no-signature newbies, however, and will likely have a greater effect on reducing spam over time. Ideally, these shitposters will all resort to buying merits or copper memberships only to keep getting nuked for spamming/plagiarism; at some point they'll realize this is no longer a profitable endeavor, and we'll have won.

One can dream, anyway...

legendary
Activity: 2534
Merit: 1517
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Let's see what happens in a week or so, I do not think spam has dropped so much or am I wrong? I thought it would come to -50% but we are around 5-10% what do you think? how much do you think can go down?
The thing that seems more visible to me is the decline in deleted messages rather than the decline in written messages, but this is perhaps due to the fact that people are reporting fewer messages and therefore this value can be considered "untrustworthy".
legendary
Activity: 3584
Merit: 5243
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And to solve this problem completely, I propose to introduce mandatory periodicity (for example, 1 merit per week) of receiving a merit by all active participants of the forum, regardless of rank.

We already have activity for this... You can only gain 14 activity every 2 weeks... I don't see a point in using the same technique for merits.
jr. member
Activity: 210
Merit: 1
All posts:
Code:
+----------+-------+
| Days ago | posts |
+----------+-------+
|        0 | 26510 |
|        1 | 42433 |
|        2 | 46736 |
|        3 | 54921 |
|        4 | 45271 |
|        5 | 48072 |
|        6 | 48926 |
|        7 | 46559 |
|        8 | 45886 |
|        9 | 49366 |
|       10 | 55894 |
|       11 | 47335 |
|       12 | 50829 |
|       13 | 53678 |
|       14 | 48648 |
|       15 | 49082 |
|       16 | 50333 |
|       17 | 57172 |
|       18 | 48595 |
|       19 | 52579 |
|       20 | 57679 |
|       21 | 40384 |
|       22 | 54342 |
|       23 | 56030 |
|       24 | 61043 |
|       25 | 48891 |
|       26 | 48744 |
|       27 | 50118 |
|       28 | 47206 |
|       29 | 51689 |
+----------+-------+

Deleted posts (not necessarily by a moderator):
Code:
+----------+-------+
| Days ago | posts |
+----------+-------+
|        0 |   749 |
|        1 |  3004 |
|        2 |  2430 |
|        3 |  1950 |
|        4 |  2275 |
|        5 |  2395 |
|        6 |  2836 |
|        7 |  3439 |
|        8 |  2743 |
|        9 |  3244 |
|       10 |  3793 |
|       11 |  5510 |
|       12 |  5153 |
|       13 |  5681 |
|       14 |  4870 |
|       15 |  5974 |
|       16 |  4685 |
|       17 |  5909 |
|       18 |  7518 |
|       19 |  7709 |
|       20 |  6472 |
|       21 |  5671 |
|       22 |  8891 |
|       23 |  7594 |
|       24 |  6634 |
|       25 |  6694 |
|       26 |  6433 |
|       27 |  5401 |
|       28 |  6260 |
|       29 |  5504 |
+----------+-------+

That's "24-hour periods from now", not calendar days.

There was a bug for the last ~7 hours which prevented all newbie posts, so that's going to make a big dent in the stats.
Of course there is an effect, but I'm sure it's temporary!
And in a week or two it will be necessary to make a rule - 2 merits for the jr. member.
And to solve this problem completely, I propose to introduce mandatory periodicity (for example, 1 merit per week) of receiving a merit by all active participants of the forum, regardless of rank.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
As per Forum is concerned , I see these all demoted guys lost there privilege to post in "Serious Discussion" Board.
Can we create one more board like Serious Discussion (No increase in activity and post) but anybody having more than 100 activities can post. Might this board will be helpful to them to discuss things.
I doubt someone who can't earn a single Merit (before he reaches 100 Activity) has anything useful to add to Serious Discussion.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
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There was a bug for the last ~7 hours which prevented all newbie posts, so that's going to make a big dent in the stats.

Sounds awesome. I'd call it a "feature" and put it in crontab to activate twice a day.
sr. member
Activity: 742
Merit: 395
I am alive but in hibernation.
It is achieving the objectives. The next step is to see if it can be kept this way with the existing automated or semi-automated surveillance.

Too early to say, At least we should wait for a month.
I am suspecting apart from Merit abuse, it might  trigger more quality post but  plagiarized ,text spin, para phrased post. All are newbies so none of them will not mind to be banned and start doing ban evasion.

As per Forum is concerned , I see these all demoted guys lost there privilege to post in "Serious Discussion" Board.
Can we create one more board like Serious Discussion (No increase in activity and post) but anybody having more than 100 activities can post. Might this board will be helpful to them to discuss things.
hero member
Activity: 1442
Merit: 629
Vires in Numeris
....
My script CAN and WILL find all users that:
  • were junior members before theymos's rule change
  • AND were demoted because of theymos's rule change
  • AND received exactly 1 merit AFTER they were demoted in order to be promoted again
...
Maybe it should contain all the users who has received 2 merits or some more, or to do this check after you have finished the 1 merit list...
I think if someone farms a lot of accounts, and wants to distribute merits somehow unnoticed, they won't just pour all the merits from the same account to all of the farmed members but will send 2 merits to an account and that account will have 1 sMerit, so it can send it to another farmed one. It means in the end that the farmer has sent 2 merits and merited 2 accounts with it, so merit has not lost in the transaction...
Just a quick idea...
administrator
Activity: 5222
Merit: 13032
All posts:
Code:
+----------+-------+
| Days ago | posts |
+----------+-------+
|        0 | 26510 |
|        1 | 42433 |
|        2 | 46736 |
|        3 | 54921 |
|        4 | 45271 |
|        5 | 48072 |
|        6 | 48926 |
|        7 | 46559 |
|        8 | 45886 |
|        9 | 49366 |
|       10 | 55894 |
|       11 | 47335 |
|       12 | 50829 |
|       13 | 53678 |
|       14 | 48648 |
|       15 | 49082 |
|       16 | 50333 |
|       17 | 57172 |
|       18 | 48595 |
|       19 | 52579 |
|       20 | 57679 |
|       21 | 40384 |
|       22 | 54342 |
|       23 | 56030 |
|       24 | 61043 |
|       25 | 48891 |
|       26 | 48744 |
|       27 | 50118 |
|       28 | 47206 |
|       29 | 51689 |
+----------+-------+

Deleted posts (not necessarily by a moderator):
Code:
+----------+-------+
| Days ago | posts |
+----------+-------+
|        0 |   749 |
|        1 |  3004 |
|        2 |  2430 |
|        3 |  1950 |
|        4 |  2275 |
|        5 |  2395 |
|        6 |  2836 |
|        7 |  3439 |
|        8 |  2743 |
|        9 |  3244 |
|       10 |  3793 |
|       11 |  5510 |
|       12 |  5153 |
|       13 |  5681 |
|       14 |  4870 |
|       15 |  5974 |
|       16 |  4685 |
|       17 |  5909 |
|       18 |  7518 |
|       19 |  7709 |
|       20 |  6472 |
|       21 |  5671 |
|       22 |  8891 |
|       23 |  7594 |
|       24 |  6634 |
|       25 |  6694 |
|       26 |  6433 |
|       27 |  5401 |
|       28 |  6260 |
|       29 |  5504 |
+----------+-------+

That's "24-hour periods from now", not calendar days.

There was a bug for the last ~7 hours which prevented all newbie posts, so that's going to make a big dent in the stats.
legendary
Activity: 2912
Merit: 6403
Blackjack.fun
There are three kinds of posts in bitcointalk.org.

1. Post for activity
2. Post for signature.
3. Post for merit.

Until this new rule, so many newbies and junoir members never thought it wise to learn and master the art of quality post. I won't be surprised if the analysis confirm my thinking in (2) above.

You've forgotten posts for merit begging, currently the meta is flooded with newbies suddenly realizing how great this new rule is and how good and Yada Yada.... and how they will contribute and Yada Yad .....trying to impress somebody, get a merit and go back to bounty hunting.

Back to the stats, I would love to see the daily posts made for this week as I'm pretty sure the number will continue to go down a lot. Some have not realized it yet (I'm sure of it!), some are making threads of what happened, some are flooding the board in desperation to get some merit, I wound't be surprised if the daily posts will go down by 50% by the end of the week.

sr. member
Activity: 1316
Merit: 379
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There are three kinds of posts in bitcointalk.org.

1. Post for activity. For your activity to continue to grow, you are required to make at least 1 post every 14 days. This is required by all forum members. Some persons will just make a post to escape being redundant for a month.

2. Post for signature. members who are partaking in a signature campaign have a requires a number of posts per week to earn the weeks reward. Most under this circumstance are under pressure to make it up to the required weekly post counts. This group no doubt account for the high number of shitposts, spam post, trolling and so many other kinds of stuff.

3. Post for merit. It is obvious that the future of forum members is tied to quality posts. Some members have developed the nack for a quality post that will earn them merits and they are getting it.

Until this new rule, so many newbies and junoir members never thought it wise to learn and master the art of quality post. I won't be surprised if the analysis confirm my thinking in (2) above.
hero member
Activity: 2366
Merit: 793
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This is just the beginning,the best results will come up in the upcoming weeks and months because now newbies were trying to create one quality post rather than creating 30 shitposts for being a junior member but once they got that 1 merit then the spam will comes again for this all bounties need to only accept the people above the members so the lower ranked people try to make only quality posts.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
Meta - one of the few safe harbors from spam has be decimated by threads about merit.
I've never had to report so many posts in one of my threads in Meta before!
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