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Yes I think at least a considerable amount of those coins are not liquidated. That doesn't change the fact that a considerable amount of those coins are being sold every day. My point is that if miners would get only 3.125 bitcoins for a block then the price of a single bitcoin would be much higher than what it is today. You can say it's because of miners' selling or that it isn't but the price would without doubt be higher. Basic supply and demand logic, you can't argue that.

Yeah, sure, I don't disagree that this is definitely putting more pressure on the price than when there weren't any coins being mined every day. That's also the reason why everyone is waiting for the block reward halving. The supply isn't new, though. And never underestimate speculation.
The halving is a nice price trigger but we don't really need to depend on it, other things will push the price up, it will be the sum of a lot of variables.

It's not as much as a trigger - the halving will be priced in well before it occurs. We may already now pricing it in slowly without even realizing it. Then again, it could push the next potential bubble way higher than otherwise (without the halving).

Considering the amount of coins that can potentially be sold every day just for the sake of it, we must congratulate ourselves for even price stagnation. As long as the price doesn't decrease rapidly by orders of magnitude, time is actually our friend.

Yeah, I guess you are right. I for one would like to enter a short position in a definite and clear bear market, though. And right now things seem to be as tense as never before Cheesy
legendary
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Yes I think at least a considerable amount of those coins are not liquidated. That doesn't change the fact that a considerable amount of those coins are being sold every day. My point is that if miners would get only 3.125 bitcoins for a block then the price of a single bitcoin would be much higher than what it is today. You can say it's because of miners' selling or that it isn't but the price would without doubt be higher. Basic supply and demand logic, you can't argue that.

Yeah, sure, I don't disagree that this is definitely putting more pressure on the price than when there weren't any coins being mined every day. That's also the reason why everyone is waiting for the block reward halving. The supply isn't new, though. And never underestimate speculation.
The halving is a nice price trigger but we don't really need to depend on it, other things will push the price up, it will be the sum of a lot of variables.

It's not as much as a trigger - the halving will be priced in well before it occurs. We may already now pricing it in slowly without even realizing it. Then again, it could push the next potential bubble way higher than otherwise (without the halving).

Considering the amount of coins that can potentially be sold every day just for the sake of it, we must congratulate ourselves for even price stagnation. As long as the price doesn't decrease rapidly by orders of magnitude, time is actually our friend.
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Yes I think at least a considerable amount of those coins are not liquidated. That doesn't change the fact that a considerable amount of those coins are being sold every day. My point is that if miners would get only 3.125 bitcoins for a block then the price of a single bitcoin would be much higher than what it is today. You can say it's because of miners' selling or that it isn't but the price would without doubt be higher. Basic supply and demand logic, you can't argue that.

Yeah, sure, I don't disagree that this is definitely putting more pressure on the price than when there weren't any coins being mined every day. That's also the reason why everyone is waiting for the block reward halving. The supply isn't new, though. And never underestimate speculation.
The halving is a nice price trigger but we don't really need to depend on it, other things will push the price up, it will be the sum of a lot of variables.

It's not as much as a trigger - the halving will be priced in well before it occurs. We may already now pricing it in slowly without even realizing it. Then again, it could push the next potential bubble way higher than otherwise (without the halving).
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Yes I think at least a considerable amount of those coins are not liquidated. That doesn't change the fact that a considerable amount of those coins are being sold every day. My point is that if miners would get only 3.125 bitcoins for a block then the price of a single bitcoin would be much higher than what it is today. You can say it's because of miners' selling or that it isn't but the price would without doubt be higher. Basic supply and demand logic, you can't argue that.

Yeah, sure, I don't disagree that this is definitely putting more pressure on the price than when there weren't any coins being mined every day. That's also the reason why everyone is waiting for the block reward halving. The supply isn't new, though. And never underestimate speculation.
The halving is a nice price trigger but we don't really need to depend on it, other things will push the price up, it will be the sum of a lot of variables.
hero member
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Trust me!
Yes I think at least a considerable amount of those coins are not liquidated. That doesn't change the fact that a considerable amount of those coins are being sold every day. My point is that if miners would get only 3.125 bitcoins for a block then the price of a single bitcoin would be much higher than what it is today. You can say it's because of miners' selling or that it isn't but the price would without doubt be higher. Basic supply and demand logic, you can't argue that.

Yeah, sure, I don't disagree that this is definitely putting more pressure on the price than when there weren't any coins being mined every day. That's also the reason why everyone is waiting for the block reward halving. The supply isn't new, though. And never underestimate speculation.
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Im getting loaded with btc as we speak, the big rally could start at any time now.
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Something better be happening soon, I'm getting bored. That damn supply is killing the price I tell you hwhat. Every 10 minutes someone gets 25 bitcoins. 3600 bitcoins get dumped erry day. The demand is actually pretty good if you consider the fact that price is holding triple digits under all this selling pressure from miners. If miners were to stop selling, where would the price go?
that is how horizontal markets look like. Boredom for most of the time until the pop happens. Usually most of the people get bored on the way, waiting for the pop. That is where I believe Bitcoin is right now.

Surely I was also expecting more movement over this past week. I'm sure a jump is coming (either way) but the waiting makes it tempting to play into the boring phase too.
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Something better be happening soon, I'm getting bored. That damn supply is killing the price I tell you hwhat. Every 10 minutes someone gets 25 bitcoins. 3600 bitcoins get dumped erry day. The demand is actually pretty good if you consider the fact that price is holding triple digits under all this selling pressure from miners. If miners were to stop selling, where would the price go?
that is how horizontal markets look like. Boredom for most of the time until the pop happens. Usually most of the people get bored on the way, waiting for the pop. That is where I believe Bitcoin is right now.
legendary
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Your whole post is complaining about pressure from miners selling.

I'm here to tell you only a portion of them do and surely the current price is not a result of miners' selling pressure.

Take it how you want it but I'm just saying you're barking at the wrong door.

The only one complaining is your mom. Surely the current price is the result of the miners' selling pressure because if miners didn't sell or didn't receive a single coin the price would be higher. Now you probably want to say that miners are not the only factor and I agree but you must admit that mining still generates a lot of coins out of thin air and we can never say for sure where they end up.

3600 BTC get dumped every day? Who says that this is actually true? Don't you think that at least a considerable amount of those coins are *not* liquidated? What about people buying BTC in bulk from miners, in order not to push the price up (long term acquiring phase)?

Yes I think at least a considerable amount of those coins are not liquidated. That doesn't change the fact that a considerable amount of those coins are being sold every day. My point is that if miners would get only 3.125 bitcoins for a block then the price of a single bitcoin would be much higher than what it is today. You can say it's because of miners' selling or that it isn't but the price would without doubt be higher. Basic supply and demand logic, you can't argue that.
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Something better be happening soon, I'm getting bored. That damn supply is killing the price I tell you hwhat. Every 10 minutes someone gets 25 bitcoins. 3600 bitcoins get dumped erry day. The demand is actually pretty good if you consider the fact that price is holding triple digits under all this selling pressure from miners. If miners were to stop selling, where would the price go?

3600 BTC get dumped every day? Who says that this is actually true? Don't you think that at least a considerable amount of those coins are *not* liquidated? What about people buying BTC in bulk from miners, in order not to push the price up (long term acquiring phase)?
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Will you people eventually stop repeating this nonsense.

No, 3600 bitcoins do not get dumped on the market everyday.

No, not all miners have to sell their mining rewards in order to keep running.

So what? It's the intrinsic supply. You want be a smartass and whine about precision? Sure some won't sell but then again there are old coins that get sold. I'm referring to the order of magnitude of new coins that the network has to handle every day.

Your whole post is complaining about pressure from miners selling.

I'm here to tell you only a portion of them do and surely the current price is not a result of miners' selling pressure.

Take it how you want it but I'm just saying you're barking at the wrong door.
legendary
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Will you people eventually stop repeating this nonsense.

No, 3600 bitcoins do not get dumped on the market everyday.

No, not all miners have to sell their mining rewards in order to keep running.

So what? It's the intrinsic supply. You want be a smartass and whine about precision? Sure some won't sell but then again there are old coins that get sold. I'm referring to the order of magnitude of new coins that the network has to handle every day.
hero member
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
Something better be happening soon, I'm getting bored. That damn supply is killing the price I tell you hwhat. Every 10 minutes someone gets 25 bitcoins. 3600 bitcoins get dumped erry day. The demand is actually pretty good if you consider the fact that price is holding triple digits under all this selling pressure from miners. If miners were to stop selling, where would the price go?

Will you people eventually stop repeating this nonsense.

No, 3600 bitcoins do not get dumped on the market everyday.

No, not all miners have to sell their mining rewards in order to keep running.

legendary
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Something better be happening soon, I'm getting bored. That damn supply is killing the price I tell you hwhat. Every 10 minutes someone gets 25 bitcoins. 3600 bitcoins get dumped erry day. The demand is actually pretty good if you consider the fact that price is holding triple digits under all this selling pressure from miners. If miners were to stop selling, where would the price go?
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I think we're nearing the start of another bull cycle, Dollar Index is looking toppy too. Smiley
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legendary
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Once everyone who wants a slice of the Bitcoin pie buys at these price levels, hold onto your hats. Because once there's nothing left to sell, price goes up.
There will be something to sell, it has to, otherwise bitcoin wouldn't work... bitcoin is infinitely divisble, what will happen is smaller amounts will get sold by a lot more price.
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Yeah, I think one of the biggest advantages we now have may be the sheer mass of people with a lot of money lying around watching Bitcoin to see if it bubbles again at some point. If it does, they will enter. Just wait for a trend-reversal...
ok, but wait a second. The same people waiting on the sidelines are reading every day the news about another exchange biting the dust. I wouldn't over-estimate the number of people who want to get into Bitcoin, just based on (the sentiment on) this forum. But in the end I agree, Bitcoin has big potential for the upside, provided all the 'smoke news' about the ETF materialise. Then it can go quite quickly.

Still there are enough people who are willing to invest in this risky asset (obviously). With better ETFs and investment vehicles, investors on Wall Street may be very willing to give our little golden coin a shot!
Agree, but that may happen only after ETF really materialise, that is... when?
Well, to me it looks that we will see a lot of positive events and developments shortly before the next halving event. That is, more or less one year from now.

The halving will be very good for the price, that's a given. I don't know really how much it will push the price up, but it's good to see the supply go down. More ETFs will materialize, don't worry Smiley
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Yeah, I think one of the biggest advantages we now have may be the sheer mass of people with a lot of money lying around watching Bitcoin to see if it bubbles again at some point. If it does, they will enter. Just wait for a trend-reversal...

what's the point of waiting when you can enter now at $250 instead of buying bitcoin once a bubble is in the making.
people will end up buying at much higher price. best is buy now and be ready for it once it happens.

Isn't it obvious? Right now we keep on pushing agains the long-term bear-market-resistance. As long as we stay below that line, we're going down. As soon as we break out of that trend: Party time. Buying now is more risky than buying at $350. Way more, in my opinion.
legendary
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It would surprise me if the ETf does finally go through and gets accepted on SEC. Most have been waiting for that announcement back in 2013 though.. and its been like 3 years now.

Although I`ll be more intrigued, if the movement of the price goes like $700 price mark.
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