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November 12, 2013, 06:24:16 PM
#52
...is not to eat yellow snow.  Shocked
The second is not to use an on-line bitcoin wallet  Wink
not to use inputs.io
That doesn't mean that all online wallets will/can be hacked.

Do you still believe inputs.io was hacked ?
legendary
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November 12, 2013, 06:21:31 PM
#51
...is not to eat yellow snow.  Shocked
The second is not to use an on-line bitcoin wallet  Wink
not to use inputs.io
That doesn't mean that all online wallets will/can be hacked.
newbie
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November 12, 2013, 05:53:23 PM
#50
...is not to eat yellow snow.  Shocked
The second is not to use an on-line bitcoin wallet  Wink
legendary
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November 12, 2013, 05:51:40 PM
#49
... if you don't have the private key you don't have any Bitcoins (ask the users of Input.io, Bitcoinica, bitfloor, instawallet, etc, etc, etc).
Slight nitpick.
You can have the private key and still not have any bitcoins (when someone else has the private key as well, then it becomes a race to transfer the coins).
That's why I say: If you are not the sole controller of your private keys, you do not have any bitcoins.

Slight nitpic. Wink
You can have bitcoins despite not being the sole controller of your private keys (e.g. certain scenarios involving multi-sig addresses, like 2-of-3 addresses, where it's not necessary to know the other party's private key, and keeping one's own two private keys secret is enough to be safe and to be the only person that can spend coins from that address).
Hmm... I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to multi-sig.
If you need 2-of-3 to access the coins, and you alone have 2, you can access the coins and you are the sole controller of the keys required to access the coins. If someone else also has the 2 required to access the coins, you are not the sole controller, and it becomes a race (even if intentional) to transfer the coins.
If two people are required to access the coins, each having 1 for a 2-of-3 address, you are not the sole controller, and you alone do not have any bitcoins, you have shared access to some coins. If the other person dies without sharing their key with you, you have nothing.
I stand by what I said. I think you are just making the key more complex, which ultimately changes nothing. Either you alone have access, or you alone do not. What am I missing?

Initially you wrote: "If you are not the sole controller of your private keys, you do not have any bitcoins." which was a response to "having the private key".
What I meant is that it is possible be safe despite not having all of the private keys (having 2 keys out of 3 of a 2-of-3 address).
Likewise it is possible to not to have the bitcoins despite being the sole controller of (one) private key (in the case of a 2-of-3 address and someone else having the two other keys).

I think it's more about wording/semantics.
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November 12, 2013, 05:49:55 PM
#48
Is that people will dump their coins into any site that they find pretty.
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November 12, 2013, 05:43:16 PM
#47


WHAT I LEARNED ABOUT BITCOIN IS...
that I haven't learned anything.
hero member
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November 12, 2013, 05:35:26 PM
#46
Don't trust anybody!  Shocked



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November 12, 2013, 04:50:27 PM
#45
Why I should be paranoid about internet security.
sr. member
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November 12, 2013, 04:49:24 PM
#44
Buy low and sell high Smiley and then invest some of the revenue to long term Smiley
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November 12, 2013, 04:35:38 PM
#43


WHAT I LEARNED ABOUT BITCOIN IS...
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November 12, 2013, 04:31:33 PM
#42
Is that people enjoy getting scammed.
legendary
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November 12, 2013, 04:29:52 PM
#41
... if you don't have the private key you don't have any Bitcoins (ask the users of Input.io, Bitcoinica, bitfloor, instawallet, etc, etc, etc).
Slight nitpick.
You can have the private key and still not have any bitcoins (when someone else has the private key as well, then it becomes a race to transfer the coins).
That's why I say: If you are not the sole controller of your private keys, you do not have any bitcoins.

Slight nitpic. Wink
You can have bitcoins despite not being the sole controller of your private keys (e.g. certain scenarios involving multi-sig addresses, like 2-of-3 addresses, where it's not necessary to know the other party's private key, and keeping one's own two private keys secret is enough to be safe and to be the only person that can spend coins from that address).
newbie
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November 12, 2013, 04:18:05 PM
#40
~> DON'T EAT BATH SALTS!!!  Tongue
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November 12, 2013, 04:16:01 PM
#39
Difficulty will always move faster than you think is possible/likely.
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Johnny Bitcoinseed
November 12, 2013, 04:07:01 PM
#38
 Margaret Thatcher - "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money [to spend]."
legendary
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Let the chips fall where they may.
November 12, 2013, 12:07:50 PM
#37
For socialism can only exist by threat of violence against those producers who do not wish to participate. Penalties, jail time, and violence if you resist handing over your earnings to those who did not earn them.

For Capitalism to exist the threat of violence must be used to enforce property rights. Those producers pilfer the commons and keep any profit for themselves.

There is probably a better thread to debate this in though.
sr. member
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November 12, 2013, 12:03:03 PM
#36
... how little intuition I still have for exponential. 256 bit uncrackable??? well yes.
hero member
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November 12, 2013, 11:40:40 AM
#35
... there are always good parallel realities to shift to.

This one has Bitcoin, the one I was 3 years ago didn't.
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November 12, 2013, 10:33:00 AM
#34
Never delete files or reformat the hard drive used by experimental programs generating monetary tokens, even if it all seems to be an ivory tower project only in use by hobbyists.
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Life is a taxable event
November 12, 2013, 10:23:21 AM
#33
Golden opportunities always happen and the future is unpredictable with only a few signs for when opportunity strikes.

Imagine mining 1000 coins with a cpu back at the very start of bitcoin for example.....
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