Topic: The productive capacities of an individual to the society. (Read 394 times)

I couldn't agree more on the importance of self-reliance. Focusing on personal growth and developing our independence is crucial, ultimately making us responsible for our own lives. However, this shouldn't equate to complete individualism. As social creatures, many things are simply impossible to achieve alone. Certain matters, like those requiring governmental intervention or collaborative effort, necessitate reaching out for support and working together. Recognizing our interconnectedness strengthens our communities and allows us to accomplish far more than we could individually.

Both the government and the governed should complement each other. While the masses are trying so hard to improve on themselves by acquiring the basic skills and knowledge needed for self development, the government should also create a conducive environment for the people so they can carryout out their businesses or plans effectively. We know that when the people are given the necessary incentives needed, the country as a whole will be advancing .

A person might have productive capabilities and still not be productive if the environment he is living in is not encouraging his efforts. A person who wants to set up an enterprise might have to deal with the issue of poor road network to the site which he intends to set up the enterprise, including other forms of barriers. This is why many will choose to relocate to other countries where their skills, talents and efforts will be appreciated.

this is why escaping from poverty require so much effort but frankly speaking the government has given so many ways to escape poverty from scholarship, micro business loan and so on, there's ways for us but sometime people are just don't want to take advantage of it, wanna study in college, just follow free online college then we can get degree build our way from scratch, easier to say than be done, but definitely can be done.
this is why government favour anyone that are productive to the society, though yes they impose taxes to them a little bit higher than usual if compared to the normal people but government will always give some facilities like big capital for loan for them to grow business ands o on.
agreed 100% withn this statement, productive doesn't necessarily means inventing something that could change the world, by just working we are already productive, we are getting things done and as a result we got paid, then we contribute to the government through taxes as you stated.
as long as we get the job done, we are productive enough.

All the governments wanted to provide better facilities and create new opportunities for their people or at least that is what they claim publicly, but in many countries this doesn't happen. Anyone think about why people have such low moral values in some countries? A persons moral value needs to be created from his childhood and all these people who are always vocal about a country's corruption don't talk about why their youths are getting drug addicted and why the government failed miserably to solve this issue. If we can create a generation that has high moral values, half the job is already done. They are the ones that will create the foundation that will serve the nation for the next few generations.

That's right, your success actually depends on your own abilities, not because of the goodness of your government, it's just that the role of government is also very important for a person's success, access to education and good health can make a person's chances of success greater, besides that, infrastructure will also boost economic growth. which makes a person's chances of success in running a business greater.
The conclusion in my opinion is that a person's ability and also the role of the government have a fairly balanced portion in boosting a person's success and the role of parents is also important.

Well then life is already sorted. Because what you explaining is nothing but the corporate life for us. You have a corporate job, that is stable 9-5 clock work mode, you chill out with your family on werkends and try to manage financials on monthly basis. Depending on how things are working out in terms of investment one individual end up paying high taxes while the other one would just pay nothing because they adopted various government schemes.

If an individual is within the government then they would be enjoying foremost benefits easily. They get lot of exemptions and their contribution is nothing but the government duty itself. Basically we all are automatically in a loop system where our actions are contributing to the society indirectly or directly.

Many people cannot think like you because they are totally dependent on the government.  Due to extreme poverty or lack of education, many people lead their lives under the regime.  But the government cannot fully support them and that is normal because the government cannot fulfill the complete needs of a person.  But we all should be self-reliant from our own place.  One should manage one's life properly and develop oneself as a social asset.  When you yourself are financially stable, you can invest in social activities.

Every human being certainly has advantages in their respective fields and it is not possible for everyone to be the same. It is indeed an obligation for the government to be able to empower every human being who does not yet have skills so that they can have skills that they can work on to be able to have an income that can meet their needs and If the government cannot do this then we are obliged to look for skills that we really like and learn them, because if we don't have any skills it will be very difficult to work productively.

If someone does not have skills and is also lazy in developing themselves, they will become parasites on other humans and can only take advantage of other people because they are lazy in developing themselves to be productive.

All humans have their own strengths and sometimes they are weak in one item and strong in another item. Well, this is where sometimes training is also needed to increase capacity which was previously only limited to the basics. In this way, there are additional things that can be done and this is where technical guidance is needed to maximize its implementation in the future in investment efforts.

The government's helping hand is also quite helpful and should not be ruled out because permits and other things are also in the hands of the government if one day it needs a place in implementation when it starts to develop.

Individuals are responsible for themselves, but people are not equally gifted, capable, and so on. Where there are gaps, the government fills. This is the main purpose of the government. There are people in the society that need to be empowered, equipped, assisted in one way or another. Sometimes, the government has to intervene because these people can't just be left on their own. But it's going to be a meeting somewhere. People can't be parasites.

In fact, the government of a country has the responsibility to improve the welfare of its people (depending on the country) but not all governments are able to cover it all so there must be self-awareness to improve quality or self-development in various aspects, having skills, one of which is an example.
In this way, when society has sufficient capacity, it can create its own prosperity without depending on anyone, including the government, and even many people around it are helped.
Of course this is quite important in life.

Self development is important,the governments is not responsible for that,only you can improve your living to achieve your goals.The government only enacts the rules and regulations governing the country and leaves you unprepared or unguarded.It's now up to you to examine yourself to adapt to them.The self awareness you create for youself will guarantee your chances of manifesting your goals pertaining to your desired lifestyle.
 Self-control is important because it helps you resist temptation in many social situations and enable you make better decisions.Most times the government wants you to live an independent life,but they won't create it.But Just so you don't want to end up as a juvenile delinquents,you need to regulate your thought,emotions to live a desirable life.

Well, a lot of individuals has stressed of their illegibilities  to adhere and  accept that the contexts of this thread was clearly understood as my instincts was inspired. So however, there is no necessity of me arguing since majority has stressed pertaining the structures of the thread being irrelatable but @Fortify, I got no bond of any of the electronic machines as you may have accused or should I said falsefully said?
Cool. I submit to my  inability of unfindable statements and unconstructive threads to be understood by others.
However, I would have to edith and make it briefly understood. This is not that the thread was meaningless but only that my "6" seems "9" to the ones opposite me and so of course their "6" would seems to be me "9".

While we agrees that life is understanding, please let me have the chance to edit better for everyone's understanding so we could all flow and have this an interesting worth topic for discussion.
Thank you @fortify and much thanks to all!

Yes, independency is a product of the mindset, and nothing more, because in life, not everything a person needs that will be provided by the government of his/her state, hence your ability to have a criteria mindset of not relying on government, but been industrious is one thing that will save many from the issue of blame factor many always do when the government fail to provide basic amenities, because for me, with my many years of experience, I have come to realize that wealth creation, is the ability of one to be able to offer solution to problem, and not while waiting for government, of which the only way to offer a solution to problem is when you have a skill, (i.e either physical or digital).

There is one thing I do believe as a good citizen of my country and that if anyone could do that it would be more beneficial to them, which is putting all efforts to the government has really redicled most people in their country waiting for whitescholar job or even wanting for the government to care appropriate care of their social which includes our wellbeings. At the moment you as a citizen fails your obligation as a human the next is to apportioned blames on government for not keeping up a standard you've never sets for yourself so why not at first develop yourself and think of what to do to make your country a better place to inhabits.

I'm having difficulties in deciphering your post, but I think it has to do with individual economic sustainability and that of government.
However you must understand that there is some responsibility given to the individual and there are some responsibility also giving to government. government are the ones in charge of our revenue, they are the storekeepers of our wealth, so even if that we have some responsibility assigns to us as individuals, the much responsibility is on the side of the government to make life easy for everybody in a society.

The government is responsible to create an enabling environment for businesses to strive, for agriculture to strive and also build infrastructure for the well-being of the citizenry. So as an individual whatever business you want to go into, the government have already made it easy for you to grow and sustain your business and for you to support the economy by paying tax back to the government. so in all everybody has its own responsibility in a given society.

I am just using some words as reference to just guess the possibilities of what you mean here OP because to be honest I am confused here.
Maybe you are trying to say here is that an individual must have this skill, abilities, knowledge, energy, perseverance and responsibility to achieve it's goal and may help the society and the economic growth of a particular country. Well for me, this may not be a mandatory thing but as an individual that has willingness to help other people in the society, it is like you are helping the whole country's economy.



*I am a bit confused with what you mean here OP please next time make it clear so we can understand what you really are trying to say. If you can rephrase it OP then please do it right now. I am not a native English speaker as well but I am trying to use simple words here to make it more comprehensible.

OP, you need to check your text. My eyes pop out when I read so many abstruse words. It's harmful, and not just for the eyes . Try using the error correction, at least on this site. https://app.grammarly.com/
But as far as the topic is concerned, naturally, a normal, developing society requires literate people who are fully interested not only in their personal goals but also in how their skills and education will benefit society. Everything should work together; you shouldn’t expect some kind of privilege only from the state; everyone needs to be a worthy member of society with the right moral qualities.

the main question is what is the purpose of a government.
then whats the purposes of the taxes
then what is the purpose of the individuals

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the answers can come in 2 combinations

a. government exists to optimise production, subsidising businesses.
where individuals need to push passed their own health tolerances to contribute to fund the taxes that pay the businesses
meaning citizens need to be productive and not subsidised if they are not contributing

b. government exists to backstop/insure hardships, subsidising those in need when times are hard.
where businesses and those able pay a % of income to fund the taxes that pay those in need
meaning businesses need to be productive and not subsidised so that funds can be used to insure those in real need

its a question of do you believe in trickle down or trickle up economics.
should we be helping citizens in need or big business in greed

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imagine you had a local neighbourhood that contributed towards a neighbourhood for all/anything you could think of
the neighbourhood includes some employing offices, retail, factories aswell as residents of all demographs
demographs from too young to work, too old to work, and those of working age that can and cant work

who/how/what way would you want the neighbourhood to contribute to the neighbourhood fund and how would you then use
the funds

That's a mouthful with a lot of flowery words, but all you're trying to say is that an individual must have 'something' to offer to the society in order for them to be considered as productive. Most are just getting jobs, paying taxes, and live without offering anything valuable to the society and they're still considered 'productive' through their task. You don't have to offer something special, really. Just work, pay taxes, pay bills, buy your needs/wants, and you are deemed productive.