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November 07, 2017, 03:33:32 PM
#89
Hodler psychology is simple and Hodlers always did the most hard thing. "Patience" is the hardest thing in life.
Hodlers have patience and they get the biggest reward and biggest gain in this game.


Of course patience is always needed as a hodler but it's really hard to do mate,  that's why most of the investors lose it due to panic. That psychology always relate to an idea of making money mindset, and the real scenario of it is to sell their asset and generate profit immediately. Not with an idea of a psychology which your mindset is always wait until the price pump and pump to a very profitable and stable price, like of todays fluctuations its really good to sell but more decided to hodle.
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November 07, 2017, 03:32:29 PM
#88
Hodler psychology is simple and Hodlers always did the most hard thing. "Patience" is the hardest thing in life.
Hodlers have patience and they get the biggest reward and biggest gain in this game.


Might be true. But sometimes the thing you hold for too long just go bankrupt while you keep yourself telling to be "patient".

   Erikpa it is true, and this describes my psychology more then what creator
of this thread wrote in his opening comment.
   Patience is a virtue, who have it will have higher reward then people
who hurry. Ask have a point in his comment, patience is the virtue in life
too, and it is not easy to master the patience. Patience requires absolute
control over your emotions, and people who mastered have more success.
   I am a holder, I like to see myself like that. I just invest in crypto-currencies,
and I do not even think about cashing out any time soon.
legendary
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November 07, 2017, 02:53:27 PM
#87
A lot more money is being pumped into bitcoin because people start realising the technology and power behind it. I see more and more businesses adopting bitcoin as a payment method. As well as people who start alloting small parts of their income into btc and crypto on a monthly basis.
HODLing bitcoin is not a religion or something like that, it is just the recognition of crypto-currencies as the evolution of the financial world.
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November 07, 2017, 02:10:06 PM
#86
Holding is a strong business decisions as most times it is very difficult to hold when prices is going in your favor. I sold some of my coins when bitcoin was at $1,250 and sold the second one when the price increased to $1,529 and sold again when it is at $1878, I also sold another one when it was at $4200. After caculating all the coins I sold if I hold them till today I could have been a millionaires in my local currency.
legendary
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November 07, 2017, 01:13:53 PM
#85
I see you are still here on the forum and since your question was from 2014, I would ask you in 2017 currently that how do you really feel?
Sympathetic for those who waited till now in the faith that BTC will rise, which it proved?
OR for yourself, who sold off when emergencies were there or sold all immediately in a panic?
Am not against your decision then, but now I "feel" for you. It's the courage that gives us the strength to hold and hold so long.
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November 07, 2017, 01:10:27 PM
#84
First of all: I'm no hodler. I cashed out when things got a bit too scary for my taste. Second of all: I feel bad for everyone that has lost money or is on the verge of losing money. You have my sympathy.

Bitcoin is in a prominent bear market at the moment and the current exchange rate might just be a pitstop on the road downwards. What amazes me however is that so many people, people that can actually read a chart, really feel entitled to another quadruple digit rally. Wait, check that. They are sure it is going to happen. Even amidst the chaos of the last days I can still see people claiming that it will reach 10.000 dollars; some even say it will reach that number in three months already.

What I find so curious is that many HODLers here seem to have a very religious devotion to Bitcoin, despite the serious situation Bitcoin is in. Some seem to be even more devoted to their own religion of Bitcoinism than the pope is committed to the Roman Catholic Church.  I believe this to be a very dangerous attitude, given the risks involved. It wouldn't surprise me if quite a few posters on these boards are all in with all their life savings - or have even indebted themselves - and are sure shitting themselves at this moment. It might be a religious, god revering response to look up and say to yourself: 'Everything will be all right, I just know it'. They discard any possibility that some guy will come around with a new, superior protocol in as short as the next few years and just blatantly ignore the fact that Bitcoin is not alive at all among the vast majority of the population. Next to that: they probably have a good feeling that governments will not allow capital to flow unrestricted and out of their scope, but still they ignore it.

Question is why? What is it? Desperation? Total mania? Tell me. I just can't explain it anymore.

We have come full circle.  How do you feel about these comments that you made in 2014 now that Bitcoin is on the tip of every tongue, grandmother's are asking grandchildren to buy Bitcoin and the mania has clearly headed up towards a peak rather than a trough?   I'm curious as to your state of mind about a $7,000 bitcoin.
There really is no need to dredge up this old thread. Sure bitcoin and it's recent trend has proved the original poster wrong but there's genuinely no point in bringing this, clearly outdated thread back up. Pro-HODLing or not holding on tightly has proven to be a very succesful strategy that has undeniably created a lot of new millionaires. The numbers speak for themselves.
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November 07, 2017, 12:44:00 PM
#83
I don't think all the holders has the same psychology . Not all the holders hold the bitcoin for a long time  and for the "hope" of bitcoin growing stronger . I mean , even if they do they are some what right . If you are holding bitcoin since 2015 and have it till now , imagine the profit they would've gained . Bitcoin  fullfils the hope of holder , then why not ?
There are also some holders who hold their  bitcoin in wallets for the simple purpose of investment or trading or they have more strategic plans with their bitcoin . Many of them keeps a balanced amount and withdraw some of it regularly .  In my experience , i have seen very less disapointed holders .                                                                                                   
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November 07, 2017, 08:44:05 AM
#82
Hodler psychology is simple and Hodlers always did the most hard thing. "Patience" is the hardest thing in life.
Hodlers have patience and they get the biggest reward and biggest gain in this game.


Might be true. But sometimes the thing you hold for too long just go bankrupt while you keep yourself telling to be "patient".
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November 07, 2017, 08:40:54 AM
#81
Saying that bitcoin is sort of like a religion because some people seem to be like worshipping it seems to be too much although I have to admit that there are some people who would go through great extents just so that they could acquire bitcoin. Well, that’s your opinion and perspective. Some really just believe in bitcoin that much because they see potential in it. The psychology behind a hodler is having the hope that hodling would bring them great rewards because they believe that bitcoin would have high value in the future even if we experience price drops.
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November 07, 2017, 07:53:58 AM
#80
There is your opinion that same with me. Government will not let's money go to internet / bitcoin much more. Optimism bitcoin holders sometimes exceeds rationality. However this is the fact, everything is going all the way to riches with bitcoin.
ask
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November 07, 2017, 05:58:34 AM
#79
Hodler psychology is simple and Hodlers always did the most hard thing. "Patience" is the hardest thing in life.
Hodlers have patience and they get the biggest reward and biggest gain in this game.
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November 07, 2017, 05:56:51 AM
#78
First of all: I'm no hodler. I cashed out when things got a bit too scary for my taste. Second of all: I feel bad for everyone that has lost money or is on the verge of losing money. You have my sympathy.

Bitcoin is in a prominent bear market at the moment and the current exchange rate might just be a pitstop on the road downwards. What amazes me however is that so many people, people that can actually read a chart, really feel entitled to another quadruple digit rally. Wait, check that. They are sure it is going to happen. Even amidst the chaos of the last days I can still see people claiming that it will reach 10.000 dollars; some even say it will reach that number in three months already.

What I find so curious is that many HODLers here seem to have a very religious devotion to Bitcoin, despite the serious situation Bitcoin is in. Some seem to be even more devoted to their own religion of Bitcoinism than the pope is committed to the Roman Catholic Church.  I believe this to be a very dangerous attitude, given the risks involved. It wouldn't surprise me if quite a few posters on these boards are all in with all their life savings - or have even indebted themselves - and are sure shitting themselves at this moment. It might be a religious, god revering response to look up and say to yourself: 'Everything will be all right, I just know it'. They discard any possibility that some guy will come around with a new, superior protocol in as short as the next few years and just blatantly ignore the fact that Bitcoin is not alive at all among the vast majority of the population. Next to that: they probably have a good feeling that governments will not allow capital to flow unrestricted and out of their scope, but still they ignore it.

Question is why? What is it? Desperation? Total mania? Tell me. I just can't explain it anymore.

We have come full circle.  How do you feel about these comments that you made in 2014 now that Bitcoin is on the tip of every tongue, grandmother's are asking grandchildren to buy Bitcoin and the mania has clearly headed up towards a peak rather than a trough?   I'm curious as to your state of mind about a $7,000 bitcoin.
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April 13, 2014, 01:59:13 PM
#77
Religious:  extremely scrupulous or conscientious

I have hodled religiously since I entered the market.
But if I had been religious in the sense the word is used in this thread I might have recalled Ecclesiastes 3:2 and know there is

a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
A time to cast away coins, and a time to gather coins together;
A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away

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April 13, 2014, 11:57:06 AM
#76
I bought all my coins for an average of about 80$ sometime after april last year, then took a leaf from rpietila´s strategy and sold a few at 1100$ before xmas to ensure profits, so now I have my original investment back in addition to a nice mining rig for altcoin speculation.

The rest of my BTC is my ticket to the rollercoaster, free of charge. Hodl!
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April 12, 2014, 02:56:01 PM
#75
What I find so curious is that many HODLers here seem to have a very religious devotion to Bitcoin, despite the serious situation Bitcoin is in.

Oh no.  Its not a religious devotion.  Its fact-based rational confidence.  Knowing all the latest news.  Speeches at the most recent conferences.  Hours spent listening to the latest Podcasts from Lets Talk Bitcoin.  Hearing what is going on in adoption around the world.  Interviews with the people in Africa lobbying the Govt for Bitcoin assimilation.  Argentina.  Canada.  Europe. Singapore. Knowing about Bitcoin 2.0 projects.  Images on Twitter of 400 new ATMs about to go live in Dubai. Following Ben Lawsky on twitter.  Hearing the latest sales numbers from Overstock and TigerDirect.  Being the first to know about Square.  St Louis Fed Reserve rep comments.  The senator who put together the "Bitcoin is Currency" bill he planned to bring before the govt. 

Because of the obvious massive adoption and growth going on, I know that "holding" will pay off one day.  There is absolutely no reason for anyone to be cashing out yet.  None.  Doing so reflects a complete lack of awareness of what media outlets like LTB and Coinsider This are trying to convey to all of us.  

The day I get the true vibe that the infrastructure is beginning to fail, is the day I cash out.  I continue to be bewildered by the sheer volume of people on this website who have absolutely no knowledge of whats going on out there in infrastructure and adoption.  If you guys put more effort into knowing whats happening, you would have the rational confidence necessary to be a holder too.

-B-

I think you're getting a little carried away. The 400 ATMs in Dubai is not happening (http://www.coindesk.com/ded-officials-debunk-bitcoin-atm-speculation-dubai/), the lobby groups so far have been tiny or in some cases just a single person. Overstock and TigerDirect are the best of what you mention but $2-3 million is a drop in a bucket. Don't get me wrong it's all in the right direction, but people got ahead of themselves and the price is correcting to reflect the real adoption rate, which is not as fast as people were estimating. Infact, it has slowed considerably.
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April 12, 2014, 02:52:52 PM
#74
So what if it's a religion? Religion goes a long way. People die and kill for religion. Hodling for religion is such a trifle compared to those.
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April 12, 2014, 02:16:24 PM
#73
Hodler = someone who believes in the long term succes of bitcoin but doesn't want to trade for whatever reason.     
/closethread
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April 12, 2014, 01:39:21 PM
#72
You don't actually "lose money" until you sell.  Just like stocks. The real hodlers know this. How do you think the noobs that sold at the $350 bottom this week feel?  Not as good as the true hodlers, I'll tell you that much!

Real hodlers are prepared for the fact that bitcoin could be worth zero tomorrow.

I'll take that bet.
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April 12, 2014, 10:23:25 AM
#71
When I used to trade Forex, I did it with the mindset of a hodler. The problem was that the trading company I was using didn't really like that mindset, especially when they were letting me trade with a 50:1 margin. They automatically closed all my trades once they lost over 50% of the account value. It's really to bad, because if I had held for year, then eventually my account would have gotten out of the red zone.
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April 12, 2014, 08:06:15 AM
#70
It's depends ...  a Commodity Trading Advisor and futures manager can have a diferrent perspective about it ..so it really doesnot matter if we trade the S&P 500 Index, rough rice, bonds, gold, bitcoin or even live hogs. They are all just futures which can be treated in exactly the same way. Now let's talk about baskets and eggs ..

Bitcoin is the future so let's think as futures managers Cheesy ; but lazzy as programmers so just lets #incude some lib .h Wink

// Quote from book "Following the Trend: Diversified Managed Futures Trading" by Andreas Clenow (5 starts Wink )
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the most widely held asset class, in particular among the general public, is equities; that is, shares of corporations trading on stock exchanges. The academic community along with most large banks and financial institutions have long told the public that buying and holding equities over long periods of time is a safe and prudent method of investing and this has created a huge market for equity mutual funds. These funds are generally seen as responsible long-term investments that always go up in the long run, and there is a good chance that even a large part of your pension plan is invested in equity mutual funds for that very reason. The ubiquitous advice from banks is that you should hold a combination of equity mutual funds and bond mutual funds and that the younger you are, the larger the weight of the equity funds should be. The reason for the last part is that, although equities do tend to go up in the long run, they are more volatile than bonds and you should take higher financial risks when you are younger since you have time to make your losses back. Furthermore, the advice is generally that you should prefer equity mutual funds over buying single stocks to make sure that you get sufficient diversification and you participate in the overall market instead of taking bets on individual companies which may run into unexpected trouble down the road.

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Then again, if stocks always go up in the long run the correlations should be of lesser importance since you would always make the money back again if you just sit on the stocks and wait a little bit longer. This is absolutely true and if you are a very patient person you are very likely to make money from the stock markets by just buying and holding. From 1976 to 2011 the MSCI World Index rose by 1,300%, so in 35 years you would have made over ten times your initial investment. Of course, if you translate that into annual compound return you will see that this means a yield of just around 8% per year. If you had been so unlucky as to invest in 1999 instead, you would still hold a loss 13 years later of over 20%. Had you invested in 2007 your loss would be even greater. Although equities do tend to move up in the long run, most of us cannot afford to lose a large part of our capital and wait for a half a lifetime to get our money back. If you are lucky and invest in a good year oreven a good decade, the buy-and-hold strategy may work out but it can also turn out to be a really bumpy ride for quite a low return in the end.

So HODL .................  Grin
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