Topic: The real reason your altcoins are currently going down (important) (Read 810 times)
You mention good points.Congrats.We hope that , altcoins will recover in very short time indeed.Lets see whats gonna happen.
May 20, 2018, 02:22:31 PM
Yes it is time to wait all coins are in red seen and feeling not happy because few days before market is seeing green but now everything is red,
January 23, 2018, 09:11:05 AM
Every altcoins and BTC at some point has been manipulated by Whales. It's nothing new but yeah harsh truth that more often alts get manipulated.
If you want to see the detailed analysis of DOGEcoin manipulation, have a read here. Detailed explanation.
https://cryptofrenzy.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/god.pdf
If you want to see the detailed analysis of DOGEcoin manipulation, have a read here. Detailed explanation.
https://cryptofrenzy.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/god.pdf
January 17, 2018, 09:02:20 AM
Your explanation was quite good and accurate. I would only add that now that it's possible to short bitcoin with futures, these whales have an even greater incentive to lower the bitcoin price. They will be able to get a lot of cash from their short on bitcoin, and they will be able to buy back bitcoin at a lower price after the dump, and then go long on bitcoin and manipulate it's price to go up. They know all the fud that lives through this market, and how is it is to generate panic selling and then fomo. And you are right, the only way we ca fight this, is to hold our coins and do not participate in their money games. This will be easy to do, once real adoption starts happening. Only then, they wont be able to ride the markets as if they were their private playground.
Yes exactly, with the shorting of futures. Being a bitcoin whale has become even more enjoyable..
January 17, 2018, 09:00:21 AM
Your explanation was quite good and accurate. I would only add that now that it's possible to short bitcoin with futures, these whales have an even greater incentive to lower the bitcoin price. They will be able to get a lot of cash from their short on bitcoin, and they will be able to buy back bitcoin at a lower price after the dump, and then go long on bitcoin and manipulate it's price to go up. They know all the fud that lives through these markets, and how easy it is, to generate panic selling and then fomo buying. And you are right, the only way we can fight this, is to hold our coins and don't participate in their money games. This will be easy to do, once real adoption starts happening. Only then, they wont be able to ride the markets as if they were their own playground.
January 17, 2018, 08:21:26 AM
I think a continuous year of a bull market is a more serious reason, alongside China FUD and whales.
January 17, 2018, 06:30:12 AM
Is it possible that the following scenario could unfold: the possibility of entering a phase of stagnation.
Whatever the reasons which brought the market down, I don't see anything on the horizon to kickstart the market.
Beginning of January I was quite bullish after reading about the millions of new investors into the crypto market, but not even this huge injection of new capital could not keep the market from declining sharply.
So where would the huge amounts of money come from, which are needed to turn this market around?
Thus I could see a market neither dead nor alive, hardly moving for years to come.
Whatever the reasons which brought the market down, I don't see anything on the horizon to kickstart the market.
Beginning of January I was quite bullish after reading about the millions of new investors into the crypto market, but not even this huge injection of new capital could not keep the market from declining sharply.
So where would the huge amounts of money come from, which are needed to turn this market around?
Thus I could see a market neither dead nor alive, hardly moving for years to come.
January 17, 2018, 06:06:45 AM
Yes i completely agree with your point i am holding some coins from long timne even november and early december altcoin crash i dint sell any of my holding even after huge price increase i dint sell still holding for long term . In crypto Currency if you want to get good Profit HODL its only mantra . Dont be a food for whales game.
January 17, 2018, 03:28:51 AM
Very well said,nice explanation for a newbie sure thing you did some research before you get involved in cryptocommunity,hopefully market will recover anytime soon bears will get tired and bulls will surely come.
January 17, 2018, 03:22:02 AM
all cyprocurrencies are suffering (value drop) but in my opinion this was expected. Bitcoin price multiplied x3-4 last year and this correction was only reasonable thing. Now we go back to reality, something like btc or any other coin cannot worth 20,000$. Based on what.
January 17, 2018, 03:17:24 AM
There is another school of thought that believes future holders are manipulating the market since the first set of future on Bitcoin mature in few days. Those that shorton bitcoin are manipulating to make profit.
January 17, 2018, 03:14:20 AM
It is very nice that the first messages you put in the forum are long this way.
There are places right at the points you mentioned. But not all is right. There are many factors that affect prices in this market. whales, supply-demand, how long people keep their coins...
if I had a dollar I bought 10 cents a dollar and I still sell for 75 cents, I will not wait
There are places right at the points you mentioned. But not all is right. There are many factors that affect prices in this market. whales, supply-demand, how long people keep their coins...
if I had a dollar I bought 10 cents a dollar and I still sell for 75 cents, I will not wait
January 17, 2018, 02:56:58 AM
Trying to give some perspective on the current state of the altcoin marketplace. I feel like it's important that people read this and listen to this, and even inspect buy/sell orders to verify what I am saying. If we stand together to prevent this from happening and selling at deflated prices, the market can recover.
Whales (super rich people) are taking advantage of news events and FUD to bring the price down, making it look like it is in response to these events when in reality, and on inspection of buy/sell orders it is clear manipulation.
.Whales (super rich people) are taking advantage of altcoins that are on single marketplaces (Think PRL, DBC, ELIXIR). They are doing this through the use of Sell and Buy walls.
.A sell wall is when one of these whales dumps thousands of altcoins to be sold at a below market price. They have no intention of actually selling all their coins at this price whatsoever, what it actually means is that if anybody on that marketplace wants to sell their coins for whatever reason (FUD, happy with their profit, price going down) they will have to reduce their sell price to below that of the whale, otherwise everyone that wants to buy some of the altcoin will just buy from the whales seemingly endless supply. This brings the price down significantly, sending off a number of signals (people begin to think their coin is crashing so panic sell, people begin to buy into the FUD surrounding tiny news story's such as S.korea "banning" cryptocurrencys) leading to a downward spiral of the price getting lower and lower. At this point the whales work is done (and they can lift their sell wall if they so wish to)
.At the same time as creating these Sell Walls... the whale will also create a buy wall at a cheaper price than their already reduced sell wall. This means that all the coins that are being sold at the price needed to get past the sell wall, will be going to that same whale and they are getting a load of coins super cheap.
This cycle just continues repeatedly, allowing the rich of the crypto world to get richer, and the poorer to loose out more. It is essential that you do not fall into this trap, and sell when there are massive manipulations of the market. The fact that these sell and buy walls exist proove that the big time investers are confident in these coins, as they are buying as many as they can and that the price will go up. If you are selling your coins now at a fear of making a loss you WILL loose out. We can all stop this from happening by HODL and not falling victim to these walls.
I appreciate I may not have explained this greatly so will go through an example.
1. Price of PRL (for sake of argument) is $1
2. Whale sees random piece of news that could affect crypto market and create FUD. Uses this to artificially reduce price of PRL
3. Whale creates massive sell order of PRL at $0.9 - This brings down average price on exchange. people start to panic and believe that PRL is crashing. Perhaps due to this minor bit of news that the whale has manipulated
4. People get scared, and want to sell their coins. However the only way to sell their coins is to sell at a price cheaper than $0.9. This brings down the price further and further as more and more people get scared into selling
5. The Whale, that has no intention of giving up on PRL, buys all the coins at the deflated price (with a buy wall cheaper than the massive sell wall they've created) thus increasing their portfolio through manipulating others into panic selling. This is what is happening currently, and you need to resist it. I know it's hard when you see your coins going down, but they will go back up (unless you have complete shitcoin). Just HODL
TL/DR = Price manipulation, especially for single market coins (mainly those on Kucoin). HODL
I totally agree with this because Altcoins are like cards, you can play it with other players in a win/win situation at the end of the game if you are a banker. People with weak hands are the most affected individuals in this games because they always take the bait. I actually did it before but came a time that I have learned the importance of patience and timing. Whales manipulation of prices does not only benefits on their own but also for other people as long as there is capital. The best way to counter such loss from these manipulation thing is no other than HODL.Whales (super rich people) are taking advantage of news events and FUD to bring the price down, making it look like it is in response to these events when in reality, and on inspection of buy/sell orders it is clear manipulation.
.Whales (super rich people) are taking advantage of altcoins that are on single marketplaces (Think PRL, DBC, ELIXIR). They are doing this through the use of Sell and Buy walls.
.A sell wall is when one of these whales dumps thousands of altcoins to be sold at a below market price. They have no intention of actually selling all their coins at this price whatsoever, what it actually means is that if anybody on that marketplace wants to sell their coins for whatever reason (FUD, happy with their profit, price going down) they will have to reduce their sell price to below that of the whale, otherwise everyone that wants to buy some of the altcoin will just buy from the whales seemingly endless supply. This brings the price down significantly, sending off a number of signals (people begin to think their coin is crashing so panic sell, people begin to buy into the FUD surrounding tiny news story's such as S.korea "banning" cryptocurrencys) leading to a downward spiral of the price getting lower and lower. At this point the whales work is done (and they can lift their sell wall if they so wish to)
.At the same time as creating these Sell Walls... the whale will also create a buy wall at a cheaper price than their already reduced sell wall. This means that all the coins that are being sold at the price needed to get past the sell wall, will be going to that same whale and they are getting a load of coins super cheap.
This cycle just continues repeatedly, allowing the rich of the crypto world to get richer, and the poorer to loose out more. It is essential that you do not fall into this trap, and sell when there are massive manipulations of the market. The fact that these sell and buy walls exist proove that the big time investers are confident in these coins, as they are buying as many as they can and that the price will go up. If you are selling your coins now at a fear of making a loss you WILL loose out. We can all stop this from happening by HODL and not falling victim to these walls.
I appreciate I may not have explained this greatly so will go through an example.
1. Price of PRL (for sake of argument) is $1
2. Whale sees random piece of news that could affect crypto market and create FUD. Uses this to artificially reduce price of PRL
3. Whale creates massive sell order of PRL at $0.9 - This brings down average price on exchange. people start to panic and believe that PRL is crashing. Perhaps due to this minor bit of news that the whale has manipulated
4. People get scared, and want to sell their coins. However the only way to sell their coins is to sell at a price cheaper than $0.9. This brings down the price further and further as more and more people get scared into selling
5. The Whale, that has no intention of giving up on PRL, buys all the coins at the deflated price (with a buy wall cheaper than the massive sell wall they've created) thus increasing their portfolio through manipulating others into panic selling. This is what is happening currently, and you need to resist it. I know it's hard when you see your coins going down, but they will go back up (unless you have complete shitcoin). Just HODL
TL/DR = Price manipulation, especially for single market coins (mainly those on Kucoin). HODL
Great post, I think far more people need to take the time to watch how this market actually works. This is still the wild west and there are plenty of cowboys looking for ways to manipulate the price.
January 17, 2018, 02:49:28 AM
I've seen this happen a few times since I first bought bitcoin about 6 months ago. Never got scared once and sold. Now I have many altcoins that are in the red today. Not worried a bit. But that was an awesome write up about the situation and how the manipulation works that is going on day to day in the crypto world. More people need to read this and post things like this instead of "im worried" "should I sell" "whats happening" lol 
January 17, 2018, 02:29:12 AM
That may be one of the reasons why altcoins are down across the board. For small fish (like me) it is a great time to buy in on some temporarily depressed cheap altcoins. All coins will rise soon. It is a hold through the short term volatility. Good luck to all!
Recently many altcoins were down in price due to the fact that Bitcoin was experiencing hard times. After the bright advertising campaign Bitcoin. Seeing its fall, people lost faith in cryptocurrencies in general.
January 16, 2018, 10:23:58 PM
Trying to give some perspective on the current state of the altcoin marketplace. I feel like it's important that people read this and listen to this, and even inspect buy/sell orders to verify what I am saying. If we stand together to prevent this from happening and selling at deflated prices, the market can recover.
Whales (super rich people) are taking advantage of news events and FUD to bring the price down, making it look like it is in response to these events when in reality, and on inspection of buy/sell orders it is clear manipulation.
.Whales (super rich people) are taking advantage of altcoins that are on single marketplaces (Think PRL, DBC, ELIXIR). They are doing this through the use of Sell and Buy walls.
.A sell wall is when one of these whales dumps thousands of altcoins to be sold at a below market price. They have no intention of actually selling all their coins at this price whatsoever, what it actually means is that if anybody on that marketplace wants to sell their coins for whatever reason (FUD, happy with their profit, price going down) they will have to reduce their sell price to below that of the whale, otherwise everyone that wants to buy some of the altcoin will just buy from the whales seemingly endless supply. This brings the price down significantly, sending off a number of signals (people begin to think their coin is crashing so panic sell, people begin to buy into the FUD surrounding tiny news story's such as S.korea "banning" cryptocurrencys) leading to a downward spiral of the price getting lower and lower. At this point the whales work is done (and they can lift their sell wall if they so wish to)
.At the same time as creating these Sell Walls... the whale will also create a buy wall at a cheaper price than their already reduced sell wall. This means that all the coins that are being sold at the price needed to get past the sell wall, will be going to that same whale and they are getting a load of coins super cheap.
This cycle just continues repeatedly, allowing the rich of the crypto world to get richer, and the poorer to loose out more. It is essential that you do not fall into this trap, and sell when there are massive manipulations of the market. The fact that these sell and buy walls exist proove that the big time investers are confident in these coins, as they are buying as many as they can and that the price will go up. If you are selling your coins now at a fear of making a loss you WILL loose out. We can all stop this from happening by HODL and not falling victim to these walls.
I appreciate I may not have explained this greatly so will go through an example.
1. Price of PRL (for sake of argument) is $1
2. Whale sees random piece of news that could affect crypto market and create FUD. Uses this to artificially reduce price of PRL
3. Whale creates massive sell order of PRL at $0.9 - This brings down average price on exchange. people start to panic and believe that PRL is crashing. Perhaps due to this minor bit of news that the whale has manipulated
4. People get scared, and want to sell their coins. However the only way to sell their coins is to sell at a price cheaper than $0.9. This brings down the price further and further as more and more people get scared into selling
5. The Whale, that has no intention of giving up on PRL, buys all the coins at the deflated price (with a buy wall cheaper than the massive sell wall they've created) thus increasing their portfolio through manipulating others into panic selling. This is what is happening currently, and you need to resist it. I know it's hard when you see your coins going down, but they will go back up (unless you have complete shitcoin). Just HODL
TL/DR = Price manipulation, especially for single market coins (mainly those on Kucoin). HODL
I totally agree with this because Altcoins are like cards, you can play it with other players in a win/win situation at the end of the game if you are a banker. People with weak hands are the most affected individuals in this games because they always take the bait. I actually did it before but came a time that I have learned the importance of patience and timing. Whales manipulation of prices does not only benefits on their own but also for other people as long as there is capital. The best way to counter such loss from these manipulation thing is no other than HODL. Whales (super rich people) are taking advantage of news events and FUD to bring the price down, making it look like it is in response to these events when in reality, and on inspection of buy/sell orders it is clear manipulation.
.Whales (super rich people) are taking advantage of altcoins that are on single marketplaces (Think PRL, DBC, ELIXIR). They are doing this through the use of Sell and Buy walls.
.A sell wall is when one of these whales dumps thousands of altcoins to be sold at a below market price. They have no intention of actually selling all their coins at this price whatsoever, what it actually means is that if anybody on that marketplace wants to sell their coins for whatever reason (FUD, happy with their profit, price going down) they will have to reduce their sell price to below that of the whale, otherwise everyone that wants to buy some of the altcoin will just buy from the whales seemingly endless supply. This brings the price down significantly, sending off a number of signals (people begin to think their coin is crashing so panic sell, people begin to buy into the FUD surrounding tiny news story's such as S.korea "banning" cryptocurrencys) leading to a downward spiral of the price getting lower and lower. At this point the whales work is done (and they can lift their sell wall if they so wish to)
.At the same time as creating these Sell Walls... the whale will also create a buy wall at a cheaper price than their already reduced sell wall. This means that all the coins that are being sold at the price needed to get past the sell wall, will be going to that same whale and they are getting a load of coins super cheap.
This cycle just continues repeatedly, allowing the rich of the crypto world to get richer, and the poorer to loose out more. It is essential that you do not fall into this trap, and sell when there are massive manipulations of the market. The fact that these sell and buy walls exist proove that the big time investers are confident in these coins, as they are buying as many as they can and that the price will go up. If you are selling your coins now at a fear of making a loss you WILL loose out. We can all stop this from happening by HODL and not falling victim to these walls.
I appreciate I may not have explained this greatly so will go through an example.
1. Price of PRL (for sake of argument) is $1
2. Whale sees random piece of news that could affect crypto market and create FUD. Uses this to artificially reduce price of PRL
3. Whale creates massive sell order of PRL at $0.9 - This brings down average price on exchange. people start to panic and believe that PRL is crashing. Perhaps due to this minor bit of news that the whale has manipulated
4. People get scared, and want to sell their coins. However the only way to sell their coins is to sell at a price cheaper than $0.9. This brings down the price further and further as more and more people get scared into selling
5. The Whale, that has no intention of giving up on PRL, buys all the coins at the deflated price (with a buy wall cheaper than the massive sell wall they've created) thus increasing their portfolio through manipulating others into panic selling. This is what is happening currently, and you need to resist it. I know it's hard when you see your coins going down, but they will go back up (unless you have complete shitcoin). Just HODL
TL/DR = Price manipulation, especially for single market coins (mainly those on Kucoin). HODL
January 16, 2018, 10:19:51 PM
Ah, the myth of the whales. You know, it could also just be panic selling by the uninformed masses.
It's no myth. All you have to do is look at the order book and see that someone is selling $1,000,000,000 worth of a token at 1 price. If you look you can see how many orders there are at a particular price . Then you know for a fact that it is one individual order.
Sometimes it may be a scaled order of the same magnitude. Each offer of 45,000 tokens 5 cents difference between a handful of orders that are all for the same large amount.
But it is definitely panic selling by the masses or all the rookie traders out there trying to "trend" trade.
I just scoop up all the deals and laugh all the way to the bank on the next bull run.
Sell me your tokens cheap !
Exactly right - all you have to do is look at the order books.
January 16, 2018, 10:11:19 PM
Just don't panic sale all your altcoins for a low price and your fine Better buy anything at 30% discount.
Better buy anything at 30% discount. January 16, 2018, 10:01:40 PM
There will be always a reason why theres a sudden market crashes,one of these reason is fud,negative news towards btc or someone is making a good entry to the market like giant financial institutions.
January 16, 2018, 09:56:08 PM
Very nice explanation brother we need this kind of post especially nowadays there are lots of fud's are coming everywhere. Yes the best and safe way is to hold and not to join with the panic sellers if there are only investors are well informed of this information. These kind of activities of greedy people will lessen. They are the one's who are destroying the crypto market i am wondering why they are doing this when they can see the cryptomarket is on uptrend actually they don't really need to do this to have gains but the word "Greediness" suits to them. I just hope they realize what they are doing the market is crashing everytime they do this what if the people change their perspective on crypto when they got fed up by this kind of events.
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