I'm generally happy with systems that help make this forum a better place by limiting spam posting, scamming, etc. I've been around for a while so am not in a position to have to earn my way up by collecting merits.
I am a bit concerned about the limited ways there are to get s-merits. It seems the merit sources and the folks who collect a lot of merit points would be the merit whales on this forum, and that over time, people wanting to rank up will post with those whales in mind, rather than simply focusing on quality. Also, there is a certain aspect of this that depends on your ability to promote yourself, not just write quality posts. I don't know if there is a way to kind of equalize that. I think it's great to reward high quality posts, but the ability to write those posts and promote them so that the right forum members may notice them are two different skill sets.
Topic: The reality is 99.9% members can never rank up with the new merit system. - page 3. (Read 4097 times)
April 08, 2018, 08:51:32 AM
April 08, 2018, 08:41:20 AM
I think more junior members can rank up quickly to Member ranks. It gets more difficult to rank up as the rank itself increases, but it is not impossible to rank up. I think being a technical person makes it easier to rank up though.
It doesn't make sense. Quickly rank up to Member, lol. Are you mad? Without ability and intention to contribute to the forum, forget about ranking up.With the merit system and new ranking requirements (which launched by Theymos around 3 months ago); only real constructive members can rank up. I don't want to mention about potential abusers (they don't deserve to be mention here).
Cheers.
April 08, 2018, 07:05:43 AM
I think more junior members can rank up quickly to Member ranks. It gets more difficult to rank up as the rank itself increases, but it is not impossible to rank up. I think being a technical person makes it easier to rank up though.
April 08, 2018, 05:34:23 AM
I don't even look at how much merit i have or don't have. I have never posted to simply gain rank either and never will. If you post only to get merit or further your rank than you need to re-evaluate yourself because it's a waste of your time. Why would you roll like that in the 1st place? The rank has no difference, newbie can still post and read everything i can and jr member (which you don't even need merit or anything much to attain) can enter most bounty campaigns so what is the big deal with merit? Business as usual if you ask me. I use bitcointalk to gain trading knowledge and learn about new coins and events in the crypto world. Why is it that humans always form social hierarchies with ranks and levels anyhow, and than the masses want to conform to these systems?
April 05, 2018, 09:31:43 PM
Those sort of users didn't tell the truth. Their main (maybe only) objectives to join the forum is to get money from available campaigns, bounties, airdrops; not to get knowledge, to share experience, skills, etc.
It can not be solved if admin won't release new rules which restrict users to start new topics on merit and related issues. However, I think that the forum should keep allowing users (on all ranks) can start new topic (of course, only unallowable in serious boards). Should keep the forum as fair, equal as possible for all users.
As 99.9% of people claims bitcointalk is a great forum for sharing knowledge and they use it for that reason <-- So you can ask/answer questions without high rank but in reality 99.9% wants rank only for sig campaigns.
So that's why Merit is great addition.
It can not be solved if admin won't release new rules which restrict users to start new topics on merit and related issues. However, I think that the forum should keep allowing users (on all ranks) can start new topic (of course, only unallowable in serious boards). Should keep the forum as fair, equal as possible for all users.
Why are there endless topics/bumps related to merit?
April 03, 2018, 05:37:39 PM
One thing I can't understand is following:
As 99.9% of people claims bitcointalk is a great forum for sharing knowledge and they use it for that reason <-- So you can ask/answer questions without high rank but in reality 99.9% wants rank only for sig campaigns.
So that's why Merit is great addition.
Why are there endless topics/bumps related to merit?
As 99.9% of people claims bitcointalk is a great forum for sharing knowledge and they use it for that reason <-- So you can ask/answer questions without high rank but in reality 99.9% wants rank only for sig campaigns.
So that's why Merit is great addition.
Why are there endless topics/bumps related to merit?
April 03, 2018, 05:14:46 PM
Agree, guy! Merit system and activity system are very different in its mechanism and its role in the forum.
Someone don't think about what they will write, what they will discuss; they only/ mainly think about whether they will receive merits for their threads or not. Consequently, most of them never earn merits. It's extremely ridiculous, ahha.
Merit is not equivalent to activity.
yeah, getting merits is much harder than getting activity-count.This makes it much harder for you to gain the merits you need.
Someone don't think about what they will write, what they will discuss; they only/ mainly think about whether they will receive merits for their threads or not. Consequently, most of them never earn merits. It's extremely ridiculous, ahha.
The best plan is to think before you post, and ask yourself - "would I like to see this post, and has it helped me in some way". If the answer is "no", then don't make the post. If you do make the post, then make sure it flows smoothly, and is easy to read. This means you will need to spell check it before submitting it.
April 03, 2018, 11:06:50 AM
no this merit system is broken and its not working.
Hello fella,You should say something like this.
"Merit system has actually broken my life and spammers', account farmers' lives.
I have losen lots of opportunities to earn money in bitcointalk forum due to merit system."
Saying, writing like this, you will get big rounds of applause from spammers, account farmers, merit exchangers, and merit beggars. So proud of you!
Haha.
April 03, 2018, 07:15:36 AM
Probably a 100% reality, as a member to this forum we are oblige to obey the rules and regulations and new features implemented by our dear administrator theymos, it is a fair decision mate, you get merit for your deserving post (even thou there are illegal doers) but for me it is fair and square, you'll receive merit if you deserve it and will not get it till you make a post that is interesting that caught up the interest of merit sources, but still you have the chance to obtain it, just take it or leave it.
April 03, 2018, 07:04:53 AM
The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!
The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.
The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.
The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).
Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks
The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.
The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.
The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).
Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks
no this merit system is broken and its not working.
April 03, 2018, 04:45:22 AM
So instead of one useless post which people used to do to get 1 merit (which was equivalent to activity) they will do 2-10 posts.
Merit is not equivalent to activity. Activity takes you along the path until you get to the gatekeeper for the next level. When you get there, you show the gatekeeper your merit wallet, and if it isn't full enough, then he won't open the gate. This leaves you milling around on the grass outside. If you create too many unmeritable posts in an attempt to fill your wallet, you run the risk of annoying the merit awarders, and therefore you will be placed on ignore. This makes it much harder for you to gain the merits you need.
The best plan is to think before you post, and ask yourself - "would I like to see this post, and has it helped me in some way". If the answer is "no", then don't make the post. If you do make the post, then make sure it flows smoothly, and is easy to read. This means you will need to spell check it before submitting it.
April 03, 2018, 04:43:02 AM
I only need 238 merits to rank up. This while I've passed the requirements in terms of activity and number of posts a while ago. Once I get there, in a couple of years, I will most likely look back and say: "Dang, I've finally managed to get to the top of Mount Merit! My bones and soul can rest easy now." 
April 03, 2018, 04:32:54 AM
The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!
The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.
The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.
The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).
Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks
All things will certainly have a positive impact and have a negative impact. For me the Merit system has reduced this forum from spammers and farmer accounts. Those who are not qualified simply lower the forum's credibility. This is a positive form of the enactment of merit system. I feel happy because until now the situation has improved and Merit has been proven to make this forum much better than before. The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.
The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.
The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).
Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks
April 03, 2018, 04:10:17 AM
Actually, there are so many quality posts drifted. They invest in writing articles, but even nobody reads. So how given merit? They take the time to educate newcomers to the basics. It is very useful for newbie. But the newcomers have no merit for them
April 03, 2018, 03:30:36 AM
Right! Merit system won't decrease spamming threads; but it will increase quality of threads in large scale. That's enough (at least for me) for the forum.
Far from being a fact. There are people who think their post is good, but it is objectively not. So after noticing it won't bring them merit they will do another one (and in repeat). So instead of one useless post which people used to do to get 1 merit (which was equivalent to activity) they will do 2-10 posts.What did you imply by saying "in need of merit"? I guess you wanted to mention merit beggars. Honestly, they don't deserve merit points, so please forget it.
It is clearly what I implied - there are many merit eligible posts and people merit ones, which don't need it. Nothing about beggars, you got it wrong.Something like abuse the topic to complain, cry, moan about merit system with hopelessly hope that merit system will be inactivated in the forum. No chance, so let's accept the system.
In case of crying and moaning - yes, there is no chance for changing. But if make it constructive, like I tried, someone from stuff may consider it reasonable. April 03, 2018, 03:09:33 AM
Right! Merit system won't decrease spamming threads; but it will increase quality of threads in large scale. That's enough (at least for me) for the forum.
1) It will not decrease shit posts number, may be even increase it. Why? Simply because new merit system doesn'trestrict anyone from posting and only fews trying to gain it, while all the rest don't give a f :)ck and keep generating tons of posts.
What did you imply by saying "in need of merit"? I guess you wanted to mention merit beggars. Honestly, they don't deserve merit points, so please forget it.2)
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90% of merit being spent on posts, which aren't in need of merit (e.g. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.33646534 ) and that doesn't mean there are no eligible ones.
Something like abuse the topic to complain, cry, moan about merit system with hopelessly hope that merit system will be inactivated in the forum. No chance, so let's accept the system.~
90% of merit being spent on posts, which aren't in need of merit (e.g. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.33646534 ) and that doesn't mean there are no eligible ones.
3) The guys (mostly that are already who have enough merit to take a bath with it) who saying something like "it's not hard to be exceptional poster and get merit" - all of your merit is gained by exceptional quality posts..?
April 03, 2018, 02:43:18 AM
1) It will not decrease shit posts number, may be even increase it. Why? Simply because new merit system doesn'trestrict anyone from posting and only fews trying to gain it, while all the rest don't give a f :)ck and keep generating tons of posts.
2) Why do new users need merit? To be available include well-formatted links to their signatures and to participate in signature campaigns. And who can give merit? Those users, who already can participate in campaigns and just are not interested in growing competitors for them by their own hands. So what do we see now: 90% of merit being spent on posts, which aren't in need of merit (e.g. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.33646534 ) and that doesn't mean there are no eligible ones.
3) The guys (mostly that are already who have enough merit to take a bath with it) who saying something like "it's not hard to be exceptional poster and get merit" - all of your merit is gained by exceptional quality posts..?
2) Why do new users need merit? To be available include well-formatted links to their signatures and to participate in signature campaigns. And who can give merit? Those users, who already can participate in campaigns and just are not interested in growing competitors for them by their own hands. So what do we see now: 90% of merit being spent on posts, which aren't in need of merit (e.g. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.33646534 ) and that doesn't mean there are no eligible ones.
3) The guys (mostly that are already who have enough merit to take a bath with it) who saying something like "it's not hard to be exceptional poster and get merit" - all of your merit is gained by exceptional quality posts..?
April 02, 2018, 04:24:01 AM
I really have no problem with the new system, this encourages us to think more, and to participate more with other people in the forum and soon enough we will get our merits. I just hope that admins will at least decrease the number of merits needed to level up, I guess increments of 20 merits will be fine enough as long as there is only a limit of 1 merit you can receive for like a day or so. The merit system now is somewhat biased though as a person who has a lot of merits can give out 50 merits in one post rather than distributing it to others with such good posts as well, so I guess a limit of 1 merit per person per day would be fair enough. The receiver of the merit is only limited to receive 1 merit per person who merits his post so if he could get 100 persons who likes his post for that day then that is an instant 100 merits for him.
I dont think limit on merits per person per day is a good, appropriate choice. That should depends on the level of quality of each post and, of course, generosity of each merit senders. Let's everything work naturally, human will manage the merit system automatically.Its to get merit for this new system to rank up .
March 31, 2018, 01:22:56 AM
The system is really, instinctly great due to its original objectives are to wipe spammers out of ranking progress.
Don't worry. Let it be!
I think this new system is great because it filters out the obvious shitposters (and there's a lot of them).
Take it easy, guy! Let it be. Learning more, contribute more; keep doing those things naturally. After all, merits will automatically find deserved users and you will be ranked up some day if you deserved to it.Don't worry. Let it be!
As for myself, well if I'm getting stuck at this rank - then so be it. I'm here to gain information and to give information and it is perfectly possible to continue doing just that without needing to rank up. 😂
March 31, 2018, 01:19:24 AM
yes, its hard to rank up exept you have many knowledge of cryptocurrency. I think what you has to do is learn more and much more to produce quality post.
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