Topic: The reality of Merit (Read 768 times)

Completely disagree. You can go through the post history of the top 10, 20, 50, whatever most merited users, and find hundreds of posts from each one which haven't been merited. Further, not being "mundane" isn't necessarily a criteria I care about when awarding merit. Someone could provide an answer I already know - reading their post is not at all interesting to me, but they have spent time helping another user and that might be merit worthy. They might have put a lot of effort in to a guide that I don't need or talking about a topic I have no interest in. Again, both of these might be merit worthy, regardless of my own personal feelings of "mundaneness".

Every user who is currently "well known" started off as a newbie. Every user with "a lot of influence" started off with none. Every user on this list started with zero earned merit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topusersat.

They are well known because they are much more active in the forum and have a lot of influence in this forum, they seem to be in every trending topic in this forum and they are great contributors in this forum, I am not in any way trying to downplay their roles in this forum, afterall they are doing something that I personally have not been able to accomplish in my years in this forum, but you have to admit that people tend to merit every of their posts no matter how mundane. They deserve every single merit though.

Indeed those who complain or have negative mind set will never be able to keep up with this system and will eventually walk away. I myself have seen low rank members making constructive posts and this uneven distribution of merit indicated by OP does not exists in reality.

There are some users who started newbies when the merit system has implemented but they still managed to get a legendary rank. I know some but will not enumerate them but those are the ones who are contributing here in the forum in their own way.

I thought that this merit system blah blah blah thing has stopped already. The system will be 2 years on January 2020 and still there are newbies who are whining. It is like a government, if you don't want the rules they implement then either go to another country or accept it. It is the same with the forum. If you don't want the rules they implement then leave. Nobody cares with your whining nonsense

Oh god, please don't do this. Meta is cluttered enough already with all the "Why was I banned" threads, cryptohunter spam, and endless stats threads. If you flood meta with links to posts, more likely is you will just get put on ignore rather than receiving merit. If you are making or reading posts which you think are deserving of merit, link to them in this thread instead: [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source. Note that if you abuse this thread with spam posts you will be blacklisted from it.

Do these members get more merit because they are well known, or have they become well known because they have earned a lot of merit? I suspect it is the latter in most cases.

While I have to admit that well known members tend to get much more merits than newbies, I know for a fact that newbies with constructive posts gets their fair share of merits as well, the main merit givers tend to stick to particular sections of the forum and newbies tend to stick to another section and the sections where newbies usually posts are not usually seen or read by those who would merit their posts except maybe a few, for example in the Alternative Cryptocurrency Discussion thread, there is only one main merit giver and that's @tk808, but there are still exceptions to that because if your post is very constructive and helpful, it would get noticed by other members of the forum and they would merit it too.

The main problem that I can see with newbies is that their idea of a constructive post is very different from what experienced people in this forum see as constructive, a post took you some time to type doesn't mean that it is helpful nor constructive, it might just be an elaborate reproduction of another already existing post and an experienced member here wouldn't look twice at it talkless of meriting it.

As a newbie in the forum, just do your best to be helpful, make helpful and constructive posts and merits would never be an issue for you, that's a fact.

Merits are put in place to avoid alt accounts spamming and wreaking havoc in the forum.

If you cannot create a single good post to earn merits from and contribute anything substantial to the discussion then it's not the forum nor the merit system's problem but yours. If you think your post is good but did not receive sufficient attention and merit it deserves, you can always go to meta and link your post there, and merit sources will happily give you some merits if they think it deserves any.

There's no use complaining about things that are put in place as a standard when we don't even try the slightest to meet those. Merits are given where merits are due, and it's better than seeing this forum piled up with shitposters doing nothing but litter around the forum just to get a few extra pennies.

Sorry that you see this from your perspective but its not so. If it was something like that then the admins would have changed the system, its running for more than a year now I myself reached the self-made senior rank, will soon become self-made Hero and Legendary. I am pretty optimistic about it.

Whether you get merits or not depends a lot on your luck and how much merit sources have at the moment. There have been members who ranked up from newbie to much higher ranks. Check out the meta section and you will find some inspirational threads.

My collection can help but it is only helpful for OP if he want to improve and sharpen his English skills. That topic posted in this board but was removed to Off-topic, then less people see it.
Collections for someone who would like to improve English skills

Not what you think mate,  I think when your post are well constructed it will be meirted regardless of the rank you have. so I will advise you always make your post to meaningful, well composted and it should carried information along not just post because you want to post, but try and make your post educative to the community.....

Merits are for those deserving people.

Looking at your posts, it doesn't look good and more likely a shitpost or spam only.
Maybe you're just an alternative account ranting here using that account?

'Cause if you're really a beginner then why spend a time to rant about merits than learning how to make quality posts, learn blockchain and do effort?  

You just have 10 posts and activities spammin' the alt section, what do you expect? lol.  

I agree that for newbie is difficult in the beginning.
They are new users,  don't know other users in the forum and others don't know them.
Also,  they don't know much about btc and crypto and can't write good quality posts.
I suggest to OP to learn more about btc and crypto,  read posts from others and learn how much he can.
Also,  there are topics not related to crypto like sport,  gambling,  politics etc where he can share his experience and knowledge.
Finally,  please look for merit giveaway topics.

People don't like to read complaints.

OP, try to make others laugh, post something interesting that others did not know about, start a thread, usually opening posts get merited as long as they aren't copying old threads and asking the same questions that have been asked 10 times already.

I agree that people often merit people they know and like and people they've been merited by. This is normal human behaviour, you can't expect everything to be fair. Don't give up though!

OP clearly doesn't have a strong comprehension of English and its posts are mainly pointless questions or confirmations. I was expecting to have my wig blown off rather than the usual Google Translate bot stuff. Come back when you've got some juice to squirt in our faces

Merit is given for posting well. Merit is an inspiration. If someone gets merit, he'll try to post something better in the future. We know that there is something to be gained by giving something. So if you give something to the forum you will definitely get merit. You can gift some good posts to this forum. You can help members of this forum with information. Then you will get merit.

When the merit system was introduced, there was also a time where I thought merits are only distributed to few members but I learned that it's not the case. I don't know if it's self-entitlement or just impatience that's why many newbies complain a lot. Don't make few posts and expect merits to rain. I think some merit sources here also checks post history and see if you are contributing well to the forum. If they see that you are actively engaged in quality discussions, you will most likely get some merits.

This is not the reality, even though there is a big difference in the quality of the post of a newbie or a higher rank member and therefore the higher rank deserve more merits on the basis of his quality work. As far as merit for the newbies are concerned, almost every giveaway the most merits are for the newbies and Jr members. The only hard to rank up is from full member to Sr. Member and then from Sr. Member to Legendary only on the basis that you require almost 100 merits to rank up after you attain the member rank.

That's the painful truth these days here in the crypto market. No matter how constructed and well-constructed your post is, you will still recieve none of the merits just because you are in a low rank or just a newbie. Actually, there are still some parts in the forum where you can gain merit but not that much and your rank would still matter. It is very unfortunate for the newbies who experienced the crypto with merit, we had our time, activities would dictate your rank but now we have to suffer the same consequences the newbies and low ranks are having.

I've merited hundreds of Newbies and I'm not very picky, but OP isn't getting any for this post.

OP if you're doubtful whether your post deserves merit, then find a thread that offers merits to those deserving posts to be merited but left unnoticed. Some of the merit sources are giving out merits. I know this is your alt account, and out of frustrations you posted such biased post because your main account had a hard time earning merits.
Here, help yourself up :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/updated-18-november-2019-list-of-active-merit-giveaways-threads-5096125

Posting this kind of statement doesn't help you get merit either.

I used to think same as you that higher ranks are always the first one to receive merit or in favor of earning merit but I was wrong about it. Earning merit is not based on rank but your effort in making constructive post which is the requirement to receive merit from anyone who has available smerit.

Have you made a good posts which received no merit?
That's normal. Make a good posts again. Merits will come to you if you are a good poster, if you read before writing, etc.

Nonsense. To admit after the introduction of the Merita system, I was sure that the situation would be similar to that described by you, but in fact this did not happen.
Especially now when there is an outflow of users from the forum and a significantly reduced inflow compared to last year.

Mostly newcomers remain on the forum, which is why most of the high ranks gladly reward them with merit.
Do not judge biased, it is better to look at the newcomers who have received Merit, there are many of them.

One thing I noticed about this forum is that you get recognized well if your first posts are of great contribution on this forum. Try not to make most of your post base on bounties but try to rank up on time. You had a long break after your registration which isn't supposed to be like that.

Yeah, I go out of my way to hunt down newbies who are deserving of merit, and even have a customized patrol page bookmarked which I visit regularly to help me to do this. I have much lower expectations for meriting newbies than I do for meriting higher ranks. Basically if it seems clear the user is here for the right reasons - to learn, discuss, and contribute, and isn't spamming low value nonsense, simply repeating things which have already been said, or just trying to earn signature privileges to join a campaign - then I'm more than happy to send a merit or two their way. Unfortunately, the fact of the matter is that there are an awful lot of newbies who are one line spammers, just like OP.

As I always say in threads like this one, if you are coming across good posts which are going unmerited, simply post a link to them in this thread: [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source. There are multiple merit sources who have that thread on their watchlist and would be more than happy to send merit to deserving posts.

This is my advice whenever I see someone complaining about merit, or all the guides about "how to earn merit". If you need to follow a guide to earn merit, you are doing it wrong. If you want to earn merit, then forget merit exists. Read. Learn. Contribute. Post in topics which interest you because you have some new information to add or something interesting to say. Stop posting for the sake of post count, or a quota, or fishing for merit. Be a genuine user and merit will find you.

Nothing beats the reality of having a good grasp of knowledge on how the forum and cryptocurrency works. People are getting merits within a year because they invested their time to learn various things that are related to Bitcoin thus it leads them to the comfortability in thriving into the community without having to worry about making an unsubstantial post just to increase their post count and get paid. High-quality post comes naturally when a person is educated to a specific topic.

Be a seeker of knowledge and become a person who is a life-long learner. Then merit will follow.

Can relate to that. During the early stages, we see the signature campaigns and then force ourselves to fish for merits because it's like free money. Other than that, the appeal isn't really there.

It is definitely difficult at beginnings. Everyone do feel it challenging at their beginnings, but if they manage to go through the very first challenging phase, they will do become more familiar with merit system, and know which kind of posts can help them to earn merits. Then, they will feel very more comfortable with merit system and challenges to rank up.

Unfortunately, from the mid-ranks (Senior member and above) the challenges are significant bigger and such huge challenges can drain out their desire to rank up. This stage, ones who can maintain their habits will do successfully rank up.

How did I get them if your words are true?
I was a newbie as well earlier this year. I have earned 341 merits within less than a year. It's not that much difficult if you use the forum as usual; not for the purpose of earning merit. No matter if you are newbie or an old buddy; if you are posting some useful information, constructive & high quality, you will get merit certainly without  any doubt.

I think Merit Sources are pretty welcoming to meriting Newbies (or any other rank) providing their posts are well versed, and the content is decent enough; even applying a watered-down personal criteria for posts belonging to the lower ranks. It’s normally going to help having some posts under the belt, since posting history may be checked, especially when meriting a person for the first time. I personally took nearly 2 months to receive my first merit, so it does not necessarily need to be a fast action.

There is an interesting thread that keeps track of those that have supported Newbies specifically since September 2018, by awarding them their first merits: [TOP-200] Members who support newbies - Thanks!.

I do believe that there is a tendency to dismiss posts of new users, but if a post is of excellent quality then there are a few incentives to provide it more attention. Theymos has made it so merit sources should suggest under-appreciated posts to even apply. And merit sources also hold in their hands the weight of allowing users to rank up by distributing merit.

I'm sure that sooner or later they'll have to be more liberal in spreading their merit to new users also, if that hasn't been done already. Accumulation isn't encouraged anyway, but that maybe could be enforced more strictly.

By the way, the higher rank members have started their journey as a Newbie. How did they get the merits when they were Newbies? Do you think they got the merits just like that?

They have put a lot of efforts in earning that merits. Open the profile of any legendary member and look at their posts. You will get an idea about how they got merits.

Put some efforts and post some useful contents, you will definitely get merits. Don't expect for a merit, just be active and contribute good posts to the forum.

Speaking of making a constructive, readable and interesting post then you should take time studying and consume as much as possible knowledge on a day to day basis. Otherwise, you will end up spamming the forum and act like a crying baby if you'll just complain about the merit system. The merit system is for those people (like you) to inspire and give importance to this newest technology as well as to be not ignorant and useless in this fast-growing community.

Index to popular bitcointalk threads 2018 - This thread will give you a glimpse on how to contribute in our community and it will give you a general knowledge to the world you are entering right now altho you are not an active member of this forum. Lastly, being knowledgeable and respectful person will cause merits to find your way to reach a higher rank. READ. APPLY. SHARE

Goodluck on your journey! Invest in yourself.  

I thought the merit issue has been solved? I thought no one will ever question this method implemented by Theymos to improve the forum. I guess someone wants to question it before the end of this year. Anyway, just like you, we had a hard time ranking up from no merit to what we have become right now. You need to go with the flow, I mean getting merit is much easier than before, The main rule is don't ask for them, just do your thing and contribute to the forum as everyone does. If that happens, I'm sure everyone will appreciate your work and gives you some merit.

try telling that to the self-made member/full member/hero/legendary members of the forum and let see what tips and advice they'll give you. sure earning merits may not be easy for others(including me)
but that is not a reason to be salty or resentful to higher-ranking members of the forum. also, if you think you have a Quality post that hasn't been merited there are threads that give merit to the
posts that are worthy to be merited.

I agree with you, you are right that you do not always run behind merit. If you post good and helpful you will definitely get merit. If you post good quality interesting posts in the forums then you will certainly qualify.

Am a newbie with merit- that has already thrown your philosophy out of the window.
An oily head was once unoiled so they put in efforts and got to where they where.
You going no where until you change your idea

Here is the reality of merit system:

1.Not every constructive posts will receive merits,no matter it was made by any ranked members.

2.Only you get merits if someone learned something new and they got sMerits to spend.

3.When you got some recognization as quality poster then you will be receiving merits more often than before.

4.So keep posting and wait for your moment.

With barely any posts made as baggage, and with the content they provide, I honestly don’t see why you are complaining. All you need to do is see that most (obviously not all) merited posts have put in some time and thought into their elaboration. It’s not a rank-based matter, but rather more a content based one, and although rank may have some subliminal influence, it does by no means hinder the possibilities on lower ranks to be merited on decent content.

These are the current 31.860 profiles that have received merits at some point:

Notice that the number of merited profiles in the lower ranks is not negligible, and whilst from a perspective of proportion within each rank the numbers would shift noticeably, the knowledge on the forum and crypto, and the intent on providing decent enough content, tends to be greater in proportion as one moves through the ranks.
 
Getting some merits is not a challange. Earning a lot is. The real challange starts at mid-ranks.

You created this account in December last year, and by now has released only 9 posts totally. 3 of 9 posts released this year, one in May, and 2 in December.

Most of your posts is one line and if they are longer than one line, just a few words in the second line. Quality of post is not defined by length but most of time, one line posts are mostly low quality. To make a quality posts in short versions, you need to be very knowledgeable and good writing skills. It is not easy but it is a thing to consider for users who want to make good posts.

Most of time I see one line posts, they are released by spammers.

Since 2018, what did you contribute to prevent signature ads removed globally?
Self-made Legendary Observer - first legendaries after the merit system.

Iasenko built up his Hero member rank by himself, from scratch when merit system started. He is as same as Coolcryptovator, self-earned enough merits to become Legendary members.

If you want to get merit then you post quality post and give nice reply to any post and help everyone. Different forums such as meta, beginners & help in this section reply well in different posts. Then you get 100% merit. And follow the high ranking members how they get merit. Then you will understand how merit is available.

You are not an active member, you need to be one to be able to get merits and rank up. If anyone should be complaining, it should not be a user who has made 11 posts in one year on the forum, and to add to that, none of them can even get half a merit, so no need directing you to merit giveaway threads.

The reality of merit is that only the good users are ranking up, haven't you been seeing all the "rank up threads" on the forum, many of them started from zero, so they were not established members when they started earning merits in the first place.

You're now almost set for the member rank, just a little more merit and activity to go.

A positive attitude should be encouraged in the community. There are lots of guides in jow to get merit and how to develop a good posting habit.
Complaining about the system or begging for merits would only get you a negative trust or put you on the ignore list of most users.

Not true at all, and there are numerous examples that disprove you. Write decent posts, and in a few weeks you will get some merits.

When i look at your post history, you haven't really tried that so far, in those  11 posts written so far. Put some effort, and merits will find your way.

If you think those "constructive post" should have received some merits, check this:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/updated-18-november-2019-list-of-active-merit-giveaways-threads-5096125

I hope you will be enlightened.

We could read hear a lot stories recently  from the users who started as you,  from newbie rank and they are Hero or senior member now.
They didn't complain but simple wrote good quality posts,  something what helped others or contribute to the forum and they received a lot merits.
So,  don't complain but educate yourself,  do some research,  and share your knowledge and experience with others.
If you do so, other users will reward you with merits.

Can you show us the "constructive" posts you've been making? Feel free to link them below.

Also, if a user, regardless of rank, fails to get merits from a certain topic/reply, chances are(probably 90% of the time), he/she didn't deserve merits in the first place.

EDIT: Take a look at this guy: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/self-made-legendary-5208564

He reached legendary member, from newbie, receiving 1000 merits. What's your excuse?

No only on constructive post a newbie can earn merit if you can share something useful in this community by creating threads that really interesting and informative by doing this you have a high chance of receiving merits. 

Here is your reality:

You have a one year account with only 11 posts.
Out of the 11 posts you made, none of it was merit worthy to me.

You want to earn merit? Do not complain or whine, do the work required. Don't expect anything handed out to you here. Users who actually earned merit puts in the effort and the time in the forum. Many beginners here were able to rank up because they consistently improved the quality of their posts.

Much wow.

Can't believe somebody still so salty and talk nonsense about this when there are literally dozens of threads talking about users ranking up from newbies.

Not exactly what you might think. Look at me I'm a newbie but I got five merits. No one has neglected me. I tried to contribute to the forum so I got the merit. Hope you can too. But don't always run behind merit. You do something that will bring merit to you. And we all know today's newbie is the future of this forum.

Newbie constructive post = 0 Merit, neglected.

Higher Rank constructive post = Merit, Merit and Merit......

Everyone puts oil on the oily head.