Topic: The reason people join bitcointalk forum - page 5. (Read 806 times)
I can't for the life of me understand how a lot of people still join Bitcointalk solely for "bounty hunting" a.k.a. spamming on social media despite the fact that it's pretty much a total waste of time now. I'd understand if it was in 2017 where every obvious crap token pumped, but today? Nah.
Some more numbers of people join bitcointalk forum for one or two reasons, to gain knowledge or for both the money and the knowledge.
Actually, it is more like money than knowledge on how to make money, a bit of trolling and scamming, and then right at the back just knowledge and completely disinterested in money, and unfortunately the last group is also inmost cases made out of people who are already well off financially or they would be included in the first two groups. Let's just not fool ourselves anymore, it's not healthy!
I've been wondering about the forum software / database size, though. If it's really filled 50% by spam that has no other use than earning someone a fraction of a penny and advertising someone else's 10,000th 'next Bitcoin' token, it means theymos could cut his server costs by half if those posts were deleted, right?
Does the forum just have so many BTC in reserve that it doesn't matter?
Does the forum just have so many BTC in reserve that it doesn't matter?
Cough cough, million-dollar forum software to be released, 1250 BTC in forum funds still untouched, server costs won't be a problem for a while.
Cannot be sure if the reason is the same for anyone who joins the forum, bitcointalk is the most famous and oldest bitcoin ralted forum and sure anyone whos active in this market and field probably joined this forum and at least visited this forum, a few years ago people were joining this forum for their technical questions and getting familiar with bitcoin, also that's a good place for bitcoiners to stay in one place and discuss bitcoin-related news together, but for some other people, they join the forum to earn some money from the county campaigns.
If it's really filled 50% by spam that has no other use than earning someone a fraction of a penny and advertising someone else's 10,000th 'next Bitcoin' token, it means theymos could cut his server costs by half if those posts were deleted, right?
Loycev.club and Ninjastic.space would certainly. As you said, I have no worries judging by the forum's reserves. 
What are your thoughts on this?
That opens up a long discussion. I was also interesting in tackling the spam, but this forum is known for the freedom it seeks. Cutting off the bounties must have been one of the most much-discussed topics in Meta. In summary, that's why:
The things on the forum which encourage spam are allowed mainly because it's part of the forum's mission to be as free as possible. Eg. banning bounties would undoubtedly reduce spam, but that'd be destroying an entire economy/population/culture which has been able to develop due to the forum's freedom.
Unfortunately the new ones seeking knowledge - with or without the added money - are fewer and fewer.
That's true, and I can easily say that I was one of those. I came with many questions, grasped the concept, liked the idea and then saw there's this thing called "signature campaign" which attracted me. And it works. People are encouraged to help others learn, because they earn a few bucks by doing it. And newcomers do actually learn!Does the forum just have so many BTC in reserve that it doesn't matter?
I think there is a distinction to be made between signature campaigns and bounties, because signatures don't add extra bloat 'per se', while bounties require people to actively campaign / advertise on here and on other platforms (if I understand them correctly). There could also be rules in place like 'signature campaigns have to be paid in BTC' or something similar, to prevent the obvious rip-off campaigns that don't even intend to pay people, which probably do 'spam' the most, though (need multiple posts to get $1 worth).
What are your thoughts on this? I just don't know enough about all these campaigns and bounties and whatnot, because every time I click a subforum that is filled with emojis, all caps and exclamation marks in the titles, I close it right away.
The zeal to make money has made many to learn more about bitcoin even if their main motive of joining the bitcointalk forum is to just make money to earn a living.
I don't think if their main motive just to earn money they're learn about Bitcoin, instead they're learn how to join bounties, how to hide using alt to cheat the bounties and how to fulfill the requirements with less effort. It's really wrong motive to think this forum only to earn money, they wouldn't care with forum... that's why altcoin discussion is messed up.I see most people who joined signature campaign with Bitcoin payment aren't thought this forum is for money, but they're also care with forum and like to learn about Bitcoin, money is just a bonus for them.
Some more numbers of people join bitcointalk forum for one or two reasons, to gain knowledge or for both the money and the knowledge.
I think this dominate the major reasons we all are here except for little percentage of those that purposely come to give to the forum, such members never mind or care about joining any campaign but rather remained active and derived pleasure in seeing problems solved on the forum through their influence.
The zeal to make money has made many to learn more about bitcoin even if their main motive of joining the bitcointalk forum is to just make money to earn a living.
Yes that's true, no one want to invest or waste money on what really don't worth it, take a look at the social media chats people engage doing on a daily basis where freedom has been abused as everyone talk about what he likes with any guiding etiquettes to caution, and you can see that no cognate incentive coming out from it except on few cases which can be tasking enough.
People derived pleasure in value and can go extra miles in paying for such while appreciating quality efforts, same is applicable here on the forum, you can't post anyhow here because here is not a playing ground but rather a community known for professional qualities and standard.
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If you open Show unread posts since last visit., hit CTRL+F and enter bounty, you would see that bounty topics are taking if not dominant part of new posts, but significant.
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If you open Show unread posts since last visit., hit CTRL+F and enter bounty, you would see that bounty topics are taking if not dominant part of new posts, but significant.
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In number of posts, maybe they are not dominant... In absolute number of posts, i'm pretty sure they are.
It has been a long time since i actually counted, but for this post, i just opened the patrol page to see what new users are doing on bitcointalk:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol
1 complaint about a gambling deposit
1 job offer
1 question about escrow services
1 russian post i couldn't understand
1 discussion about crowfunding
1 post in snowshow's trolling thread
194 bounty reports
Now, these are newbie posts, but they do represent a big majority of bitcointalk's active population... So odds are that those posts are dominant, they are just located in a low number of bounty hunter threads, and most of these threads are located in subforum's mosts of us will probably have on ignore...
EDIT: i know this isn't 100% accurate, if we wanted to be sure we'd have to manually browse trough the last 100 new msg id's and tally.
Unfortunately the new ones seeking knowledge - with or without the added money - are fewer and fewer.
That's true, and I can easily say that I was one of those. I came with many questions, grasped the concept, liked the idea and then saw there's this thing called "signature campaign" which attracted me. And it works. People are encouraged to help others learn, because they earn a few bucks by doing it. And newcomers do actually learn!I haven't seen this happening elsewhere. Maybe this forum distinguishes somehow. Or perhaps the incentive of the network effect is one of the many key aspects of this ingenious technology.
I agree with mocacinno. At first people joined bitcointalk to get cryptocurrency related knowledge. Now, it has become a platform to test luck in "winning few dollars from a bounty".
If you open Show unread posts since last visit., hit CTRL+F and enter bounty, you would see that bounty topics are taking if not dominant part of new posts, but significant. Even merit system, new bounty rules, increased number of scam and decreased bounty pools wont help to reduce amount of bounty related posts on the forum. Bitcointalk is a Bitcoin forum and crypto forum that is a key source of information related to blockchain, cryptocurrency and Bitcoin turned into earning platform.
If you open Show unread posts since last visit., hit CTRL+F and enter bounty, you would see that bounty topics are taking if not dominant part of new posts, but significant. Even merit system, new bounty rules, increased number of scam and decreased bounty pools wont help to reduce amount of bounty related posts on the forum. Bitcointalk is a Bitcoin forum and crypto forum that is a key source of information related to blockchain, cryptocurrency and Bitcoin turned into earning platform.
Some more numbers of people join bitcointalk forum for one or two reasons, to gain knowledge or for both the money and the knowledge. The zeal to make money
As said, many will join only for money not for "money and knowledge", not realizing that without knowledge they'll mostly hunt for empty promises, wasting their time and earning nothing.
Even more, even the previous post has missed one more category: those hunting for money to be earned outside of the forum, spamming with links to various weak news sites or blogs, ref links to various platforms (most of them being scam).
Unfortunately the new ones seeking knowledge - with or without the added money - are fewer and fewer.
In the good old days, i would have agreed 100%. Nowadays (well, the last several years), however, we do see an influx of so-called "bounty-hunters". People that spam twitter, facebook,... with promo for scam tokens just so the creator of said tokens gives them some of the total supply (if they're lucky).
Those people have 0 interest in participating and learning, they just need a space to spam their "bounty reports" so they can get 100 SHITTOKEN in the hope SHITTOKEN ever rises above 0.001 sat/SHITTOKEN.
If you open the patrol page, you can see for yourself that they represent a really big part of what is getting posted... Certainly more than 50% of all posts are made for the sole purpose of bounty hunting... On the other hand, it is very, very, rare to see a bounty hunter come over to the "good side". It is extremely rare that a bounty hunter ever participates in normal discussion, let alone learn something... It happens once in a blue moon, but those cases are really rare.
Those people have 0 interest in participating and learning, they just need a space to spam their "bounty reports" so they can get 100 SHITTOKEN in the hope SHITTOKEN ever rises above 0.001 sat/SHITTOKEN.
If you open the patrol page, you can see for yourself that they represent a really big part of what is getting posted... Certainly more than 50% of all posts are made for the sole purpose of bounty hunting... On the other hand, it is very, very, rare to see a bounty hunter come over to the "good side". It is extremely rare that a bounty hunter ever participates in normal discussion, let alone learn something... It happens once in a blue moon, but those cases are really rare.
Some more numbers of people join bitcointalk forum for one or two reasons, to gain knowledge or for both the money and the knowledge. The zeal to make money has made many to learn more about bitcoin even if their main motive of joining the bitcointalk forum is to just make money to earn a living. They need to go on research and learn more about bitcoin in order to make qualitative and informative post to gain more merit in order to rank up and get higher pay in signatures they’re participating it. In other words, the knowledge gain can be shared with new members who come to the forum to ask about a particular thing they’re not so sure of.
Either ways, the motive of joining the forum has made many to still achieve the primary aim of why the group is created. To learn about the basics of bitcoin and how the market works plus mining.
Either ways, the motive of joining the forum has made many to still achieve the primary aim of why the group is created. To learn about the basics of bitcoin and how the market works plus mining.
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