Topic: The scandal of fiddled global warming data (Read 1431 times)

Isn't this whole global climate change argument just a massive
smoke screen obfuscating the real issue that no one wants to
directly address ?? Namely that we live on a planet with finite
carbon based resources that are the basis of our transportation
and power generating capabilities ?? Peak Fossil Fuels is coming
( sooner or later ), it's a mathematical certainty .. We can continue
with business as usual until we can't .. I'd prefer a smoother transition
UP the energy density curve to meet our future energy needs ..

Bottom line .. it's all about the cheapest way to boil water to make steam to
turn a turbine to generate electricity .. The liberals hate coal ( dirty but cheap ) ..
Fine .. but wind turbines, solar PV and solar thermal are intermittant and
don't/won't  scale .. This leaves Gen III and Gen IV fission plants and we'd
better have the sense to roll them out before we pull the kill switch
on existing coal and gas generating stations ..

Forget climate change ..
Time to focus on solutions and the best path forward ..

Triff ..@I luv the thorium fuel cycle .. MSBR/LFTRs anyone ??

When these hypocritical idiots start acting like there is a problem, then I will listen to them, until then, its all about how much money they can make and how much money they can screw people out of:

Greenpeace executive flies 250 miles to work

And al gore flies his private jet all over the world to give speeches about global warming and the dangers of fossil fuel. Yep, follow the money, the trail leads to rich guys like this who are getting richer selling the fear and convincing people they can control the weather.

You mean the ones who keep rebuilding their homes in flood plains and then act all surprised when their homes get washed away in storm surge?  Those same people who's home owners insurance is subsidized by you and me so that they can live in their palaces on the beach?  Those guys?
If you build your home on the beach, eventually you are going to get wet.
Oh, but lets make rewarding stupid choices the norm, shall we?   In Alaska there are avalanche zones.  Lets have the feds subsidize home owners insurance so that building in an avalanche zone becomes a smart thing to do... after all, when your house is destroyed, you get a brand new one!I love this idea!  Oh, and lets extend the flood plain subsidies to the west, too!  I want to build a home on the banks of the Susitna river!  When the bank erodes out from under my home, I'll get another home build a few feet away... for free!
What an awesome idea!  Very Keynesian!  Think of all the employment this could generate as peoples homes get washed away by erosion or avalanche!

Wow – are you for real?.  Talk to the people in South. Florida, and they will tell you more about the rising of the seas levels than google does .

Sea levels have been rising since the end of the last ice age and no one much notices or cares except, perhaps, the Dutch.

A relatively new phenomina is federal subsidies for flood insurance on the east coast.  Prior, when the ocean reach up and smote someone, they would know not to rebuild in that spot.  Thanks to feds subsidies, they keep building over and over again in the same spots where the last storm smacked 'em.

Meanwhile, over in the gulf states, the continent has been slowly subsiding for a thousand years.  The mississippi used to flood pretty much every year and the sediments deposited raised the land about the same rate as the subsidence dropped it.  However, now the mississippi is not allowed to flood any more, so.... the subsidence wins.

Oh, the feds rebuilt new orleans after the gulf reached up and smote it.

Well fiddle faddle...yet somehow the sea level continues to rise.  Water is coming from somewhere. I wonder how that happens?  Must be that underwater volcano in the Antarctic, that's probably something new.

Believe whatever you like, the results are in. The only thing left is to take action that might extend our existence on this planet. But keep on barking up that tree, see how it works for ya.  good luck........

Had you read any further down the thread, you would have found that I did your homework for you and found a critique of bookers report from a source that I consider to be reasonable.

I still find it odd that you so blindly follow 'science' when it comes to AGW while, at the very same moment, you believe genetically modified crops and critters to be deadly poisen despite the obvious fact that genetics is a far more legitimate discipline than climate could ever hope to be.

Believe one branch of 'science'... especially as shoddy a one as AGW while you dismiss geneticists as quackery?  Are 'scientists' to be believed without question or are they to be questioned whenever you have a question?

Climate Chaos Charlatans

Global Warming
Global Climate Change
It's Worse Than We Thought
Catastrophic Sea Level Rise
The Sun's Going Nuts
We're All Gonna Die

CO2 increase =  9 billion people exhaling
Methane increase = 20 billion farting cows and pigs
Temperature increase = Weather stations sited on asphalt parking lots 

For a more measured view ..

http://wattsupwiththat.com/

Triff .. still breathing and contributing to atmospheric CO2

And we all know what's coming after the Zombie Polar Vortexes... White walkers... 

Also the scandal of a round Earth. Round, pfft. I don't need no science learn'n to know if the world was round we'd all fall off.

I have eyes, ears and a mind. I am also a natural skeptic, I do my due diligence before making up my mind on things, particularly as important as this is. I am hardly an alarmist, more pragmatic really. So, best you calm down and do some critical thinking about this climate denial you are so fond of. Not sure why.....obsession it seems.
In the mean time the truth marches on, remember the earth is NOT flat either.

somehow this just gets better and better...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAlMomLvu_4

Driven by exceptionally warm ocean waters, Earth smashed a record for heat in May and is likely to keep on breaking high temperature marks, experts have said.

May’s average temperature on Earth of 15.54 degrees Celsius was the warmest since records began in 1880, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Last month was especially hot in parts of Kazakhstan, Indonesia, Spain, South Korea and Australia, while the United States was not close to a record, just one degree warmer than the 20th century average. However, California is having a record hot first five months of the year, a full 5 degrees above normal.

Kim Cobb, a climate scientist at Georgia Tech, said there is a good chance global heat records will keep falling, especially next year because an El Nino weather event is brewing on top of man-made global warming. An El Nino is a warming of the eastern tropical Pacific Ocean that alters climate worldwide and usually spikes global temperatures.

Ocean temperatures in May also set a record for the month. But an El Nino is not considered in effect till the warm water changes the air and that has not happened yet, NOAA said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10921695/May-was-the-hottest-month-ever-for-Earth.html#disqus_thread

the thing is, this Global Warming bullshit is akin to a major religion, the faithful will NEVER renounce it, any more than Ms. Ibrahim would renounce Christianity to save her own life.

I hope one day to see AlGore hanged from a sour apple tree.

Some segments of the Internet are abuzz with the claim by climate change skeptic Steven Goddard (Tony Heller) over at his Real Science blog that NASA/NOAA have been jiggering the numbers so that they can claim that warmest years in the continental United States occurred recently, not back in the 1930s. Folks, please watch out for confirmation bias.http://reason.com/archives/2011/07/12/scientific-literacy-climate-ch
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/23/noaanasa-dramatically-altered-us-temperatures-after-the-year-2000/

Via email, I asked Anthony Watts, proprietor of WattsUpWithThat, what he thinks of Goddard's claims. He responded...
http://wattsupwiththat.com/
    ...while it is true that NOAA does a tremendous amount of adjustment to the surface temperature record, the word“fabrication” implies that numbers are being plucked out of thin air in a nefarious way when it isn’t exactly the case.

    “Goddard” is wrong is his assertions of fabrication, but the fact is that NCDC isn’t paying attention to small details, and the entire process from B91’s to CONUS creates an inflated warming signal. We published a preliminary paper two years ago on this which you can read here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/29/press-release-2/

    About half the warming in the USA is due to adjustments. We' received a lot of criticism for that paper, and we’ve spent two years reworking it and dealing with those criticisms. Our results are unchanged and will be published soon.

    continue:  http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/23/did-nasanoaa-dramatically-alter-us-tempe

Who has always enthusiastically supported the 'science' of global warming/climate change? The Alinsky left, which means it's far more political than science, because all their 'solutions' just happen to be the legal enforcing of liberal causes.

And who do you think is the hardest hit by the price increases from global warming? If the rich pay an extra 10k a year in income taxes to cover this crap they don't miss it. When the middle class pay an extra 1k in income taxes it matters. And when the cost of utilities and gas  and food goes up who is the hardest hit? The middle class and the poor because you know full well the Romneys and the Gates and the Buffets don't cut back on their groceries because of the increases and they don't turn the heat down a notch to cut the heating bill, its the poor and the middle class that is hardest hit. Who's making money while obama fiddle faddles over the Keystone? Why warren buffet of course. And who made hundreds of millions in tax payer dollars for failed green energy? That would be the rich while the workers got screwed out of jobs.

http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/craig-bannister/obama-proclaims-hurricane-intensity-increase-climate-continues-warm   
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_AUSTRALIA_CLIMATE_CHANGE?SITE=MYPSP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-06-23-01-12-16
its NEVER been about global warming, global cooling, climate change.. its ALWAYS been about the MONEY!!!

That makes TWO groups that have been caught fudging the numbers and there are probably lots more.  It is a great hoax on the American people and just another way to extract taxes from them.  Soon we will have nothing left to live on.

I agree, if you have to fudge the data your theory isn't worth the time of day. And if your defense against anyone that doesn't 'buy your theory is to claim they are idiots who believe the world is flat then your theory isn't based on fact or that would be your defense. I believed in global warming because of what the media reported, then a couple of engineers I worked with told me to google the issue and find out the truth. What an eye opener that was. Follow the money, in this case its trillions of dollars and most of it ends up in the pockets of politicians and their rich friends.