Topic: The severity of the Ordinals Attack is increasing - page 3. (Read 1029 times)

So what do you suggest people do to solve this problem?

Please lower your level of aggressiveness in your rhetoric, because I may qualify this as a verbal attack on the self-identity of bitcoin. Like any human creation, bitcoin was not perfect at the time of its creation and remains imperfect now. This leaves room for the development of bitcoin itself and also gives room in the sun for a thousand altcoins that may be faster than bitcoin, more private than bitcoin, but they are not bitcoin.

From a certain point of view, the mixed transactions from the mixer you advertise here are also spam on the open Bitcoin blockchain. Think about it at your leisure.

Good news, it appears that in the past few hours, the shitcoins activity is cooling down, and 200 sat/vbyte transactions should be within the top 2 vMB of the mempool.

I still think it will take a while for fees to drop from three digits, but this is some minor progress.

Tbh I don't care who is attacking bitcoin because it doesn't matter at all. It could be anybody. Maybe it is just a group of random haters... The point is, bitcoin should be stronger than these attacks. If bitcoin dies after an attack like that then bitcoin don't deserve to survive at all. Like you said, Bitcoin survived these attacks before. They tried to bring it down in 2017 and bitcoin didn't care.

What changed this time? I missed the late events but it seems like these NFT thing is responsible for it. And how did ordinals&NFT's become available on bitcoin? The last time I was interested in the tech, bitcoin didn't give a crap about token creation. Who let that happen? Whoever it is, he miscalculated everything and now we are paying the price.

I think the more features getting added to bitcoin, the more vulnerable it gets to the new attack vectors. (just like any other software) I hate Craig Wright for everything he is but maybe he was right about this one.

Sometimes less is more.

Jesus Christ did alot of miracles for the people but in the many still support his death, no matter how good a thing is, everyone can't love or support it. Satoshi solve the biggest issues of Blockchain technology and is obvious, not everybody loves him and so there will always be those who hate Bitcoin.
 This may be from the government or some altcoin supporters (but a harm to Bitcoin will affect the whole cryptocurrency   ) or those who will just derive joy the fall of Bitcoin.
Some previous attacks on Bitcoin :

• MTGox: Addressing Transaction Malleability
• Bitcoin's Empty Blocks Analaysis.
• Dust Attack, what it is, why it is dangerous and how to prevent falling to it
• Network Attack on XVG / VERGE
• Mother of all spam attacks on bitcoin network! proof?

• Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message
• List of Sybil Attacks and Attackers

But in the end Bitcoin still conquers all, now developers will try to fix this and any other flaws that can be exploited

10k bytes may be too big and remain exploitable (eg. using multiple inputs) and we can't do anything about OP_PUSH itself since the signature and pubkeys are also pushed to the stack that way.
We should first come up with a size that we need based on the transactions that people are making and NOT leave the protocol wide open like this. Unless there is any Taproot scripts that need anything bigger than 100-200 bytes, there is no need to let it be bigger than that.

This is a dumb argument made by people who either have never looked at bitcoin source code or are intentionally ignoring it. Under the hood, in the consensus rules, spam attacks like this have always been possible but we have been preventing them using the standard rules.
This is also not demand for more block space, this is a spam attack. Period.

Keep in mind that ICO scam is still alive to this day. They kept changing the name and upgrading their scam methods:
Ordinals attack looks somewhat similar:

I'm a little busy these days and need to find some links before I can post some historical facts about some of the attacks against bitcoin that let's just say look very suspicious... So hold that thought...

It can't. Tokens need a blockchain where they are stored not just a layer where nothing is stored and only money changes hands. Side chain is the solution and if they wanted to end up there, they would have started there considering how solutions already exist!

Wrong. They are not using the protocol, they are abusing an exploit. There is big difference.

Only real comparison is SatoshiDice and the evolution it caused. This too will cause evolution, if the protocol doesn't evolve...... L2 is at best a stopgap measure or it leaves the protocol open to more of the same at a later date.

So who hates Bitcoins today?,

We all know  that in 2017, Roger ver or MemoryDealers and friends try to attack Bitcoin blockchain such as today, they seek to tell the world if the size of the Bitcoin blockchain is small and can't accommodate the transactions.

So if someone (maybe altcoin enthusiastic) tries to do the same thing in 2017, that is possibly the same person (or community).

From today we have to watch carefully also Craig Wright, Roger Ver, and their friend. Those communities still mining Bitcoin, right? maybe they did this for profit purposes, and simultaneously drop the prestige of bitcoin.

This talk of "fixing the protocol" sounds very much like 2017. I remember the forks that happened then that apparently "fixed the protocol" but wasn't very popular was it.

As I've said numerous times this will only encourage the usage of L2 which until now didn't have much reason for existence, fortunately now they do. Eventually the likes of BRC20 will end up on L2 as well, so only necessary payments will be on the settlement layer. Also kinda bored of people describing this as an attack on Bitcoin when people are using the protocol in the correct manner (following the rules).

Sure I'm waiting to make a transaction myself, but when I started using Bitcoin I knew what I was getting into: an experimental technology. Welcome to the experiment, please try to embrace it.

"This too shall pass!" to quote Neel Kolhatkar.

The only real similar precedent for this was the Satoshi dice spam, which was one of the driving reasons for tx older than 120 confirms no longer being fee free being dropped as a concept. There was a very clear distinction between fee paying and non fee paying SatoshiDice tx with the non fee paying ones clearly being spam imo.

This might take a while longer though and could possibly lead to more lightning adoption and/or larger blocks. What really surprises me about this is that it wasn't preempted people have been dumping random crap onto the chain for ages, 2010 dickpics etc etc etc.

However, some form of resolution of this needs to happen fairly quickly or Bitcoin will loose the ground it has gained in El Salvador and much of the rest of Latin America where current fee levels are completely unsustainable for people using BTC as part of their daily lives.

Personally I would like to see the lightning peeps get their fingers out and get better ATM and POS support for less, this will mitigate some of the issues though not fix all of them. There are a bunch of older BIPs that might also potentially be of use for finding a more elegant long term solution.

If only I have the power, I would kick this BRC20 to the trash and forbid it to be included on the Bitcoin network or be accepted by Bitcoin nodes.  But well, I am just an affected user so all I have to do is hold my horses and deal with my own stress, hoping that the developers will act very soon before users like us look for an alternative again.

I would not want to see years of efforts of Bitcoin promoters and evangelists go to waste just because of the greed of a small group of people exploiting and attacking the Bitcoin network.  So hopefully, Bitcoin developers will take this issue as an emergency and lay a fix on the current situation by keeping this BRC20 transaction out of the Bitcoin network and address any possible exploit on the Bitcoin Ordinals if it is really not the one creating the mishaps.

I have the same attitude towards this.
After all, we're either in or out. I'm in all the way. I had many occasions to be scared, like when China was banning bitcoin, or when LUNA and FTX were crashing the price. I don't feel like we're in a worse situation now, so I'm in. Can I do anything about the network spam? No, I can't, so I'll wait it out. Sooner or later these spammers will run out of money. I can wait a year, can they keep this up until halving? I doubt it.


So FED is spamming the network with NFTs... yea, right.

Well, i fully agree with you on this. But here and in the whole BTC community like in life, we have a lot of people who sin innocent , and think, no man that its only conspirancy, or why a guy its gonna put money to destroy btc?. But YES this exist no matter if you deny or believe that.

We need to prevent this not only for bad ussage but in the near future to no suffer a real direct attack over BTC.

Imagine this situation:

- FED needs to implement CBDC.
- For that they need to destroy BTC.
- So they put millions of dollars in a operation to spam and destroy the function of the BTC blockchain.

ITs not so difficult, and you can blame like now..... " oohhh yes its cryptomeme fault guys""

This its only an example but you can change the subjetc for whatever you want.

Disclaimer: Im not saying this its what its happen right now, but its a possibilitie in the near future, so like the wise said " Prevention is better than cure "

Well at least we have this, time to spread the word:

Ordisrespector

This fork should at least alleviate kicking the spam out of our nodes.

I'm in the this too shall pass mode of thinking.
Sooner or later all the ordinal people are going to give up and move on to the next big thing.

No idea what it will be, hopefully it will not involve the BTC blockchain. But if it does, sooner or later that next thing will give way too.

Altcoin boom & bust
ICO boom & bust
IEO boom & bust
Bitcoin forks boom & bust
NFT boom & bust
and so on.

So things are going to get funky for a while, so be it. It sucks but it will help cull the weaker players.

-Dave

Bitcoin went through so much that this isn't going to break it. Idiots paying high fees for nothing will lose.
Think about this for a moment. Who's going to be the winner here in the long run? Is it going to be someone who paid $0.000004 for a worthless token just because it used to be worth 50% less a day ago? Is it going to be someone who pays $100 BTC tx fee because they need an instant transaction and can't wait an hour?

The winners will be bitcoin miners and scammers who made scam tokens. Holders will hold, traders will trade, shitcoin investors will be left with shit.

This is part of the consequences of blocksize increase.

 Blockchain is designed specifically for paper-light data weighed according to their mass. But Fool said let us include iron, diamond, zinc, brass, and other heavy metals , which tend to have higher mass compared to their paper equivalents. This will actually increase the weight of the data, and lessen the number of "papers" that can be added to a Block/Container.
Well, fools who care more about money/fees would focus more on accepting the metals even though they are not supposed to be included, while ignoring the feeless papers which actually are the proper part of the Bitcoin Network... or are the proper assets for the network. If this game is from the enemy, he could win easily just by merely dangling the carrots to fools.

The community should work more on preventing heavy data on  Bitcoin Blockchain. Let the Blockchain be used for what it was designed for. They could build something else for the so called ordinals, ontop/within the Bitcoin System/Network

Breathe deeply, you are excited.
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Of course, its a repeat of much of what caused Ethereum collapse, since everyone and their dog uses that blockchain for whatever, and some people want the same for Bitcoin. Maybe they want to make money with "bridges", parallel blockchains, altcoins, etc, etc.

The fee is increasing in an alarming level, it was already doubled the last time I check this morning. I doubt they can keep up this kind of spamming to the Bitcoin network on a fee that increases exponentially. A month or 2 is already enough to stop this bullshit because NFT is proven worthless on Ethereum. People is just buying this shit out of desperation for a hype profit.

We might see the fee increase to 100$ and I hope this will stop all the bullshit unless they are willing make the miners pocket overflow with unreasonable fee.

I’m afraid that this might be the start of shit scam modus like DeFi on Bitcoin because I saw some project developing an L2 for Bitcoin that main purpose is to bring DeFi here.

https://www.mintlayer.org/en/