Topic: The slave does not dream of freedom, but of being the slave-master - page 4. (Read 807 times)

I think the term slave is an incorrect and overly emotive term in this context, exactly to get a rise out of people. It's actually an insult to people who were enslaved in torturous conditions and had no real choice to leave. There are many people out there who work a 9-5 job doing things that they enjoy and in some cases they also need managers who can direct their workload as required. Some people will be unhappy with their jobs or have financial commitments that make it extremely difficult to move elsewhere, but at least in more developed countries there are options out there such as retraining with new skillsets in your spare time. The internet has become a savior to many people and opened up all sorts of possibilities to learning from your very own home. I can see why the phrase is popular, but so are many other quotes that sometimes get misinterpreted or thrown around for social media karma.

I understand the meaning of this saying, and it perfectly reflects what life is going on. We are all born with the instinct to always try to understand everything around us, depending on our thoughts, we will be satisfied with ourselves with life, or better yet, master ourselves myself.

That's the sad thing about this quote, we don't dream of being at the least free from anything but what we want is to be another generation of so called slave owners. I guess the emotions that you mentioned, if they were to be removed from human behavior, we might be able to achieve freedom or somewhat freedom because I think that we aren't truly free.

Yeah, people in the business sector don't want to make it look like that but if the people who works for you and you working doesn't have any time to do other things besides making money, you, me and the people you work with are technically slaves because we work our asses off over something that limits our self discovery.

The original phrase sounds like this: "A slave dreams not of his freedom, but of his slaves." Author: Mark Tullius Cicero.
The meaning of the phrase about understanding freedom, and the fact that slave ideology does not even imply the achievement of freedom or the struggle for it, but only a primitive desire to take the place of the employer in order to realize their complexes, resentment and anger.

looking at the crytocurrency market we can see that there is freedom, because from the moment a person can keep their bitcoins in a wallet where there is no bank or government to control these coins, then the person has freedom, this freedom is something that should be celebrated . however we have to be aware that to have these bitcoins you have to buy or earn from somewhere else, which leads us to have to work for other people or have to do business, at the end of the day we are not 100% free. free people are those who are bosses of themselves who work for no one

Unfortunately crypto is not the freedom for many many people. Many are looking at it as something that they can make a quick buck, "buy at x price sell at 100x price and be super rich and never work again" unfortunately that is not going to happen to 99.9999999% of humanity. What you have to do is realize the potential of crypto and do become your own boss. I did that years ago, I quit my job and became a full time crypto person earning all my income from crypto.

However one thing is for sure, you have to still work hard, maybe it is for your own business or maybe it is freelance work for someone else, maybe it is still being employee of someone but getting paid in crypto, it doesn't matter how you are doing it, you have to end up working really hard on it and have to be taking it seriously, the moment you do it with a relax attitude you are going to end up being bad.

Some just wants to be masters of their own, following their own rules, on their own terms, on their own times. Freedom is something that is hardly earned and rarely given, especially in the financial sense. Before, if you are just starting with almost nothing on the bank and on your pocket, you will be a corporate slave for years until your retirement. Nowadays, there are different avenues and paths you can take to skip the hard parts and be free on your own. Crypto is one of those, and while I think it gives freedom to people, it also enables those who want to be slave masters achieve their own goal. It's a double-edged sword, but there are still a lot of people who just wants to get financial freedom and not stepping on others while being able to do so.

Really beautiful sentence Paxmao, I love it!



I was thinking the same while reading this thread. In my case, I think that I have lived that situation to some extent, where you are a "slave" and, after some high education, master's degree, etc. you are given the chance to become a "slave master". In fact, I think that this environment (expensive college, business studies...) linked to some personality traits are an explosive mix which big companies do know well and foster.

Until you live the situation and are confronted with cognitive dissonance, until you don't make an existential decision, I believe that no one knows if they are slaves or free men in their core. In fact, if you read the sentence properly it means that slave-masters are just some higher degree slaves because they were slaves in their core so they don't dream of freedom.

For me, plan BTC means not having to be a slave or slave master, not a victim nor an executioner; it means you can play for once with your own rules, think out of the box, don't follow any path but create your own; it means that you can choose what makes you happy, and dedicate your time and effort to it even if it doesn't give you enough money to live. Unfortunately, for others it means  more power than some countries (Craig Wright?), lambos and other stupid stuff (OG's and crypto influencers)... so in my opinion they keep being slaves forever, even if in their ignorance they feel the masters of the world.

Not all slaves dreams about becoming the slave master, most of them want their freedom. No matter what kind of offer you give to them they are always going to tell you that they need their freedom, that’s just all they want. There’s nothing like having freedom, it gives you peace of mind and it makes you realize that you can just anything you want to do, without someone punishing and stuffs like that. The money you get, you don’t have to account for anyone, it just goes straight into your pocket and no worries at all. So freedom is the main goal for the most people.

Although there are still some who wants to remain slave, that’s their choice, everyone can’t be the same. Some of us loves the value of Bitcoin, while there are also others who are looking for profit. I wouldn’t blame Satoshi Nakamoto because there wouldn’t be a way to make bitcoin stable then, if he wanted to. I can’t even imagine that.

I believe that "freedom" is not something we can dream these days because we all have that so called freedom in a manner of speaking. The difference between today and 100 years ago and before is the fact that we are not owned by anyone, sure you may feel like a slave at work but then you are free to quit any time you want. Yes if you quit and can't find a job that is horrible and you will be bankrupted and maybe even homeless which is the reason why everyone fears of quitting their job and because they hate their job yet feel they must continue also feels like a slave.

However even the ability to have that freedom to quit anytime you want means you are not slaves anymore, slaves didn't have a chance to quit a master and go work for another master. There are still place in the world where slavery does exist, but it is a lot rare and not as common as it used to be. Even though I am my own master and not a slave to anyone so to speak, I still think that being a manager at a company is not equal to salve-master at all.

I don't remember such quotes but literally that is what everyone is trying to do, everyone in this world trying to become rich so they can get what they wanted for that they are hiring the people to work for them and pay them as well in the name of salary but what we are actually doing is stealing their time and skills to make money for us which is what I call as the master.

This is a good thinking and I think it works well in most of the ways in life. As you start dreaming as a child, you start thinking how you can achieve it, if you will make it right away or you'll need to surpass lots of troubles first. As you grow older, you start learning that it's either you make way on how you can build your own dream or you help other's build their dreams. Instead of focusing and staying stagnant on being a slave, start thinking already on how you can escape it and start becoming a slave master. In crypto, if you've had enough experience start dreaming of making your own coin if you have the capability to do so.

cryptocurrency has become a business field. It is very obvious that centralized cryptocurrencies were only created to enrich developers
it is very different from decentralized cryptocurrencies

Regarding slaves, I think that sentence is no longer relevant, law in various countries have made the sentence "slave" unfit to be used anymore because slaves mean not being paid, not being fed, and not being freed.

Wow, that's a question worth pondering upon our inner selves. The sad thing about this though is that we don't know exactly the answer to this until we ask ourselves because we grew up in a dog eat dog world, you have to step on some people to get through the top not knowing that it's the same thing that our ancestors did but with bitcoin, I think we will have different answer to that question.

I know that sentence from a few years ago,but I don't remember who said that sentence.
I wouldn't compare the corporate ladder with "owning slaves".The people,who are climbing the corporate ladder simply want to have power and privileges.There's nothing wrong with being ambitious.
There's truth in that sentence.Some people,who were oppressed by someone,have a desire to become oppressors,because this is the environment in which they have spent their life and they don't know anything better.
Being truly free means that you have to respect the freedom or all other people.
A slave owner is dependent of his slaves,which means that a slave owner cannot be truly independent.

before you become a slave master you must have freedom already.
that means after a person got his freedom, he wasn't contented with it so he wanted more and become a slave-master. i'm not sure what to think but there are some who almost got their freedom but still prefer to be a slave like the ones with Stockholm syndrome. the mind works differently.

we're not creating a cryptocurrency to be a master because ultimately there will be a lot of rich people who have more crypto assets which just like the old ways, are they all gonna be our masters? there's still going to be a big gap between the rich and the poor.

Most cryptocurrencies aim to make their developers rich and therefore it is true that they are trying to make you pay part of your time and abilities to get free profits.
The real cryptocurrency is decentralized and no one can profit from it for free. The amount of profit is the amount of the effort expended, and the developer cannot impose it on him. Whoever wants to change it must pay the price of buying devices and owning half of the network.

The phrase is quite true, and there are historical examples of it. Not everyone is like that, though, and I don't conceive of my life that way. I don't invest in bitcoin to be a slave master. I think the world today is pretty free, although it's not perfect and abuses do occur, but with my money I expect to hire people who will willingly work for me freely rather than exploit them.

I think i can relate on this mate .

When i was in Secondary school there was this advance training as Junior military for all of us as mandatory .

i never dream of the training to get over even that i experience too much pressure and pain but what i dream of? is to become a Officer so once i become one then i will be the next to train newbies and let them experience what we had before.