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Topic: The Staggering Secret History of the Hellish A-bomb - page 2. (Read 1921 times)

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What you are doing, is changing the subject. I am trying to keep the history strait. Bombing of Japan was an atrocity, a war crime, and two war crimes don't make things right again. Bombing of Japan was as "necessary" as the bombing of Dresden by the Western allies.

Nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a revenge by the American military for the humiliation of Pearl Harbor as well as bombing of Dresden was a revenge by the British military for Luftwaffe attacks on London. In both cases these operations didn't make much sense militarily but rather were acts of intimidation and retaliation.
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I'm still reading the article. And even though I knew or suspected some of the things. Some still are new:

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On August 6, 1945, a uranium bomb 3-235, 20 kilotons yield, was exploded 1850 feet in the air above Hiroshima, for maximum explosive effect. It devastated four square miles, and killed 140,000 of the 255,000 inhabitants. In Hiroshima’s Shadows, we find a statement by a doctor who treated some of the victims; p.415, Dr. Shuntaro Hida: “It was strange to us that Hiroshima had never been bombed, despite the fact that B-29 bombers flew over the city every day. Only after the war did I come to know that Hiroshima, according to American archives, had been kept untouched in order to preserve it as a target for the use of nuclear weapons. Perhaps, if the American administration and its military authorities had paid sufficient regard to the terrible nature of the fiery demon which mankind had discovered and yet knew so little about its consequences, the American authorities might never have used such a weapon against the 750,000 Japanese who ultimately became its victims.”
War really is hell.  Not a lot understand what that means.

Notice you aren't talking about the Rape of Nanking, in which the Japanese slaughtered 300-400,000 in that one city alone.  Why?  does it not fit your preferred narrative?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

The Japanese really should have surrendered.  Unconditionally.  They wouldn't and didn't, and they chose their fate.

I know of those Japanese atrocities. The reason I was not speaking of them is because it's outside the scope of this article. Don't try to go personal on me. There is no "preferred narrative" to fit for me. Japan was an enemy of the country I was born in, they still, under USA's pressure did not sign a peace treaty with USSR and now, by extension, with Russia. I could tell you about other Japanese atrocities, in Mongolia and the battle USSR lead to beat the Japanese out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol

What you are doing, is changing the subject. I am trying to keep the history strait. Bombing of Japan was an atrocity, a war crime, and two war crimes don't make things right again. Bombing of Japan was as "necessary" as the bombing of Dresden by the Western allies.

You say: "The Japanese really should have surrendered.  Unconditionally.  They wouldn't and didn't, and they chose their fate."
But they did try to surrender, multiple times, if you cared to read the article. Also remember, what unconditional and humiliating surrender of Germany after WWI brought about? A rotten peace, ready to flourish again into war at any time.

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While the residents of Hiroshima continued to watch the B-29s fly overhead without dropping bombs on them, they had no inkling of the terrible fate which the scientists had reserved for them. William Manchester quotes General Douglas MacArthur in American Caesar, Little Brown, 1978, p.437

[quoting:] There was another Japan, and MacArthur was one of the few Americans who suspected its existence. He kept urging the Pentagon and the State Department to be alert for conciliatory gestures. The General predicted that the break would come from Tokyo, not the Japanese army. The General was right. A dovish coalition was forming in the Japanese capital, and it was headed by Hirohito himself, who had concluded in the spring of 1945 that a negotiated peace was the only way to end his nation’s agony. Beginning in early May, a six-man council of Japanese diplomats explored ways to accommodate the Allies. The delegates informed top military officials that “our resistance is finished”. [End quoting]

On p.359, Gar Alperowitz quotes Brig. Gen. Carter W. Clarke, in charge of preparing the MAGIC summary in 1945, who stated in a 1959 historical interview, “We brought them down to an abject surrender through the accelerated sinking of their merchant marine and hunger alone, and when we didn’t need to do it, and knew we didn’t need to do it, we used them as an experiment for two atomic bombs.”

Or does this not fit your preferred narrative?
legendary
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I'm still reading the article. And even though I knew or suspected some of the things. Some still are new:

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On August 6, 1945, a uranium bomb 3-235, 20 kilotons yield, was exploded 1850 feet in the air above Hiroshima, for maximum explosive effect. It devastated four square miles, and killed 140,000 of the 255,000 inhabitants. In Hiroshima’s Shadows, we find a statement by a doctor who treated some of the victims; p.415, Dr. Shuntaro Hida: “It was strange to us that Hiroshima had never been bombed, despite the fact that B-29 bombers flew over the city every day. Only after the war did I come to know that Hiroshima, according to American archives, had been kept untouched in order to preserve it as a target for the use of nuclear weapons. Perhaps, if the American administration and its military authorities had paid sufficient regard to the terrible nature of the fiery demon which mankind had discovered and yet knew so little about its consequences, the American authorities might never have used such a weapon against the 750,000 Japanese who ultimately became its victims.”
War really is hell.  Not a lot understand what that means.

Notice you aren't talking about the Rape of Nanking, in which the Japanese slaughtered 300-400,000 in that one city alone.  Why?  does it not fit your preferred narrative?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

The Japanese really should have surrendered.  Unconditionally.  They wouldn't and didn't, and they chose their fate.
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1014
I'm still reading the article. And even though I knew or suspected some of the things. Some still are new:

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On August 6, 1945, a uranium bomb 3-235, 20 kilotons yield, was exploded 1850 feet in the air above Hiroshima, for maximum explosive effect. It devastated four square miles, and killed 140,000 of the 255,000 inhabitants. In Hiroshima’s Shadows, we find a statement by a doctor who treated some of the victims; p.415, Dr. Shuntaro Hida: “It was strange to us that Hiroshima had never been bombed, despite the fact that B-29 bombers flew over the city every day. Only after the war did I come to know that Hiroshima, according to American archives, had been kept untouched in order to preserve it as a target for the use of nuclear weapons. Perhaps, if the American administration and its military authorities had paid sufficient regard to the terrible nature of the fiery demon which mankind had discovered and yet knew so little about its consequences, the American authorities might never have used such a weapon against the 750,000 Japanese who ultimately became its victims.”
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Always thought that Eisenhower had been a good boy. As far back as in 1961, he admonished future generations of the dangers of massive military spending and against the power of the military-industrial complex.

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Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

And today we see the warmongering John McCain as a chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
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[There’s so much to this amazing article and I urge everyone to read the whole thing. Eustace Mullins is one of the main stalwarts for truth that has brought on our geopolitical awakening, and here he takes apart the horror of what the US led massacre of innocent Japanese was based upon. It’s the same story with the same old suspects, but graphically laid out and well worth studying.

This is the abject inhumane insanity we’re up against. – Zen]
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The world was stunned to learn that India has now tested nuclear weapons. For many years, all nations have been concerned about the proliferation of atomic explosives. Even in their distress, no one seems to be interested in the historic or the psychological record of why these weapons were developed, and what special breed of mankind devoted themselves to this diabolical goal.

Despite the lack of public interest, the record is clear, and easily available to anyone who is interested. My interest in this subject, dormant for many years, was suddenly rekindled during my annual lecture tour in Japan. My hosts had taken me to the city of Nagasaki for the first time. Without telling me their plans, they entered the Nagasaki Atomic Bomb Museum. I thought it would be an interesting experience, but, to my surprise, when I walked into the exhibition rooms, I was suddenly overcome by sadness. Realizing that I was about to burst into tears, I moved away from my companions, and stood biting my lip. Even so, it seemed impossible to control myself. I was surrounded by the most gruesome objects, the fingers of a human hand fused with glass, a photograph of the shadow of a man on a brick wall; the man had been vaporized in the explosion .
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Also on display is a statement from General Eisenhower, who was then supreme Military Commander, which is found in a number of books about Eisenhower, and which can be found on p.426, Eisenhower by Stephen E. Ambrose, Simon & Shuster, NY, 1983.

“Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson first told Eisenhower of the bomb’s existence. Eisenhower was engulfed by “a feeling of depression’. When Stimson said the United States proposed to use the bomb against Japan, Eisenhower voiced ‘my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use (of atomic weapons).’ Stimson was upset by Eisenhower’s attitude ‘almost angrily refuting the reasons I gave for my quick conclusion’. Three days later, Eisenhower flew to Berlin, where he met with Truman and his principal advisors. Again Eisenhower recommended against using the bomb, and again was ignored.

Other books on Eisenhower state that he endangered his career by his protests against the bomb, which the conspirators in the highest level of the United States government had already sworn to use against Japan, regardless of any military developments.
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http://www.zengardner.com/staggering-secret-history-hellish-bomb/
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