Pages:
Author

Topic: The State of the ASIC Market - page 2. (Read 4487 times)

hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
January 19, 2013, 04:27:51 AM
#24
I would have thought any asic company would be thrilled to show off a working demo unit mining away. Absolutely thrilled to share in their hard work and amaze everyone. But i guess i live in bizarro world. Go figure. Marketing and common sense treatment of customers and future customers is harder then being an engineer. Two diff types of people i guess.

Pure speculation at this point however consider the following say they demo the working unit. Then the next day a group rob the facility.

Perhaps it is as much a security step as it is a project policy that they stick with their time schedule.

That is perhaps the dumbest thing I have heard....

You must be new.

Agreed...

full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
January 19, 2013, 04:14:19 AM
#23
I would have thought any asic company would be thrilled to show off a working demo unit mining away. Absolutely thrilled to share in their hard work and amaze everyone. But i guess i live in bizarro world. Go figure. Marketing and common sense treatment of customers and future customers is harder then being an engineer. Two diff types of people i guess.

Pure speculation at this point however consider the following say they demo the working unit. Then the next day a group rob the facility.

Perhaps it is as much a security step as it is a project policy that they stick with their time schedule.

That is perhaps the dumbest thing I have heard....

You must be new.
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
January 19, 2013, 03:11:15 AM
#22
I would have thought any asic company would be thrilled to show off a working demo unit mining away. Absolutely thrilled to share in their hard work and amaze everyone. But i guess i live in bizarro world. Go figure. Marketing and common sense treatment of customers and future customers is harder then being an engineer. Two diff types of people i guess.

Pure speculation at this point however consider the following say they demo the working unit. Then the next day a group rob the facility.

Perhaps it is as much a security step as it is a project policy that they stick with their time schedule.

That is perhaps the dumbest thing I have heard....
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
January 19, 2013, 02:55:36 AM
#21
I've began to question the literacy of the people in this forum.

I suspect that some posters were simply annoyed by the lack of demo, which had previously been promised.

Quote
What constitute the difference between a delay and fraud.

Malice.

Quote
When does a delay or the failure to meet expectations cross the line into a scam?

Never, since that usually comes from bad luck or incompetence.
full member
Activity: 163
Merit: 100
January 19, 2013, 02:55:19 AM
#20
If bitcoin were a town, I'd avoid it like the plague.

Now that's a .sig worthy quote.. lol
legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1047
January 19, 2013, 01:26:05 AM
#19
I would have thought any asic company would be thrilled to show off a working demo unit mining away. Absolutely thrilled to share in their hard work and amaze everyone. But i guess i live in bizarro world. Go figure. Marketing and common sense treatment of customers and future customers is harder then being an engineer. Two diff types of people i guess.

Pure speculation at this point however consider the following say they demo the working unit. Then the next day a group rob the facility.

Perhaps it is as much a security step as it is a project policy that they stick with their time schedule.
legendary
Activity: 2072
Merit: 1001
January 19, 2013, 01:19:32 AM
#18
I would have thought any asic company would be thrilled to show off a working demo unit mining away. Absolutely thrilled to share in their hard work and amaze everyone. But i guess i live in bizarro world. Go figure. Marketing and common sense treatment of customers and future customers is harder then being an engineer. Two diff types of people i guess.
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
January 18, 2013, 11:49:52 PM
#17
Question:

If Avalon sold you a product claiming it produced a hash rate of 60GH for $1300 and only delivered 50GH would you expect a proportional amount refunded? For example, if the delivered Avalon product only produced 30GH and you paid $1300 would you still be happy with your purchase price or would you demand a 50% refund?

What if the power requirements increased 50%? Under that circumstance would it be acceptable to you if Avalon offered no refund?

How far does Avalon have to miss their stated performance before you request a full refund?
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 500
January 18, 2013, 10:09:47 PM
#16
I personally would like to see less greed and blind belief in the bitcoin community,

I don't think anyone would be interested in bitcoin if they had no greed or belief.

I never said no greed and/or belief, I said less. Clearly we need some, but pirate, ponzis, failed exchanges, glbse, numerous individual scams and at least one failed asic group point to the fact that the community needs to wise up quite a lot. Greed is/was necessary for the initiation of bitcoin, but how will it survive if all it is ever known for is scamming/stealing/drugs/gambling? If bitcoin were a town, I'd avoid it like the plague.
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
January 18, 2013, 09:26:53 PM
#15
Wow.  First y'all clamor for pics, demos, and whatnot.  Then as soon as one post is made in response, we get:

I think you should spend more time getting your Avalon devices ready so I can place an order for the second batch.

All the words on the screen mean nothing, really. Products in hands will speak for themselves.


Y'all really are superior trolls.

Tell you what.  I'll post some pics of mine next week and show it mining on eligius.

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1P69J7PU2w9DhRJnWDVxQVY8kKzt69QdoS

That's my GPU rig right now.  Soon I expect the graph to look very different.
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
January 18, 2013, 09:22:36 PM
#14
Plesase show a working prototype by now!
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
January 18, 2013, 08:27:53 PM
#13
+1 post of ninja avoidance. You promised to show a working prototype by now. Show a working prototype or get back to work.
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
January 18, 2013, 07:40:23 PM
#12
omg! avalon is going to release at 50GH/s with way higher power consumption than 400w?Huh  Roll Eyes

Of course Kaerf. The Avalon development team did their due diligence by creating and testing a prototype and knew all along of the problems but didn't inform the community because of fears customers would cancel their orders. Instead, if memory servers me correctly, they told the community they have increased the hashing rate.

I guess that 10+ years of ASIC experience served them well (sarcasm). Either that or the lies are piling up and biting them where the good lord split them. Now you know why Avalon avoided clarifying their claims of 10+ years ASIC experience made on their website.

Tips to Avalon customers: Be sure to replace the batteries in your smoke detectors before falling asleep with a plugged in Avalon product.
legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1005
ASIC Wannabe
January 18, 2013, 06:28:39 PM
#11
Sorry Bitsyncom, but you are completely full of shit.  Completely.  You have repeatedly stated that it's "impossible" to do things, yet somehow BFL manages to do the "imposisble."  

Why do you continually prod me with a stick?  I have left you alone to go do your own thing with your ancient technology and your ridiculously immense power requirements, yet you want to keep antagonizing me.  Why is that?  

I really hope you have something to show on Monday, you have about 24 hours to produce, so we'll see then.  The fact of the matter is, though, no one is going to buy your 1990's tech after we ship, so enjoy the few weeks of glory you will have if you can manage to ship a working product that doesn't melt.


if the imposisble is to announce numerous delays  and alienate others with cutting remarks such as 1990's tech, then yeah BFL has done quite a good job.


I dont have an order with any asic mfg. yet, but it looks like Avalon will be the first to market and the first choice customers. This far, they've shown the most definite shipping date, and even if they release a melting product on monday, it will still be leaps beyond the current state of Butterfly Labs' ASIC, which was supposed to be released In December.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1000
January 18, 2013, 06:08:02 PM
#10
Sorry Bitsyncom, but you are completely full of shit.  Completely.  You have repeatedly stated that it's "impossible" to do things, yet somehow BFL manages to do the "imposisble."  

Why do you continually prod me with a stick?  I have left you alone to go do your own thing with your ancient technology and your ridiculously immense power requirements, yet you want to keep antagonizing me.  Why is that?  

I really hope you have something to show on Monday, you have about 24 hours to produce, so we'll see then.  The fact of the matter is, though, no one is going to buy your 1990's tech after we ship, so enjoy the few weeks of glory you will have if you can manage to ship a working product that doesn't melt.

PS - Your last few sentences are interesting.  Are you having some issues with heat and have to throttle back a bit to fix the the issue? 


sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
January 18, 2013, 05:59:51 PM
#9
...

 It is important to know that is not possible to switch packaging after you have tape-out the chip.
...


Would it then be correct to assume that either


1.  BFL had not taped out prior to Dec 12, or
2.  BFL was forced in to multiple tape-outs, costing big money


If only deciding in Dec 12 that a different package was to be used that a new tape-out and production cycle would require a minimum of three months to complete. 

My head is swimming in all of this BFL BS.  This would mean at any given time any timeline guidance provided by BFL was completely false.


Nice.
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
January 18, 2013, 04:17:07 PM
#8
I personally would like to see less greed and blind belief in the bitcoin community,

I don't think anyone would be interested in bitcoin if they had no greed or belief.
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 500
January 18, 2013, 03:31:53 PM
#7
First +1, the community has been a terrific asshole to all the ASIC developers and it's a shame. Large companies worth billions of dollars frequently have delays that go months upon months and they aren't subject to the vitrol that comes up here. Disgusting.

Perhaps BFL is sticking it's head out, but i feel genuinely sorry for the situation Tom is in. ASICS might not be rocket-science but they are one hell of a complicated level of engineering and I think all the companies from as far I can tell really have taken on an enormous task.

Avalon has done the right thing- stay out and above it. Ship when you're ready. The community for the most part is unfortunately ungrateful and unkind and it's hard to have sympathy even when people are legitimately scammed.

Keep up the hard work, I'm not a purchaser of any ASIC at this point, but I welcome it's arrival.

Nonsense. The community has been a terrific sucker to the ASIC manufacturers. Large companies worth billions of dollars do not take in money for delayed products, completely unrelated.

What's his face up there is trying to bring up the idea that there are reasonable production delays, and there are scammy BS nonsense excuses, and people need to be more discerning as to which is which.

The rest is a thinly veiled attack on BFL and the broader user base, and those affected can respond as they see fit. 

I personally would like to see less greed and blind belief in the bitcoin community, but that's my naïveté I guess.
aTg
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1000
January 18, 2013, 03:14:18 PM
#6
One question, in this case it is not going to release the design of miner in open source as happened with previous versions of ngzhang?
legendary
Activity: 1204
Merit: 1002
RUM AND CARROTS: A PIRATE LIFE FOR ME
January 18, 2013, 03:00:45 PM
#5
First +1, the community has been a terrific asshole to all the ASIC developers and it's a shame. Large companies worth billions of dollars frequently have delays that go months upon months and they aren't subject to the vitrol that comes up here. Disgusting.

Perhaps BFL is sticking it's head out, but i feel genuinely sorry for the situation Tom is in. ASICS might not be rocket-science but they are one hell of a complicated level of engineering and I think all the companies from as far I can tell really have taken on an enormous task.

Avalon has done the right thing- stay out and above it. Ship when you're ready. The community for the most part is unfortunately ungrateful and unkind and it's hard to have sympathy even when people are legitimately scammed.

Keep up the hard work, I'm not a purchaser of any ASIC at this point, but I welcome it's arrival.
Pages:
Jump to: