The story behind my investment on letsdice.com - page 3.

KingOfSports

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Quote from: FanEagle on September 07, 2013, 12:53:24 PM

If you have so much BTC in your pockets you should start giving away some fortune to us poor people that merely wins 0.01BTC in a week.

Get out begger. I wouldn't take 50 BTC if towtoad offered it, he/she owes 1300 BTC the way I see it. Let the degenerate keep his winnings. According to the story he told Dooglus he thinks that a couple losses in a row increases your odds of the next one being a winner. WRONG.

Every roll is independent of the previous ones. There is no difference. You can bet .01 100x and lose them all and its still a 49.5% chance of winning if you bet 50 BTC on the next roll as Towtoad tried to argue saying its different with Dooglus. What a joke.

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If you have so much BTC in your pockets you should start giving away some fortune to us poor people that merely wins 0.01BTC in a week.

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Quote from: towtoad on September 07, 2013, 04:18:55 AM

I figure out there’s a hole in the game. I told what I thought to the site’s owner, Dooglus. Partly because of my poor English, I wasn’t capable of convincing him. (sorry, I don’t think I should write up what the hole really is here.) I was told that I was in a gambler’s fallacy. And for some days, I thought I was in a gambler’s fallacy too.

You told me two different ideas of what the 'hole' is. First you claimed the hole was that the min and max bets were too far apart:

Quote from: towtoad on September 07, 2013, 04:18:55 AM

(An incident happened, which I have no interest to discuss here. They call me thief here: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-gambler-cheats-satoshidice-competitor-just-dice-out-of-1300-btc/ However, Dooglus knew how that exactly happened. He didn’t disallow my further investment and play.)

I don't know how that happened at all. You claim you left 1300 BTC unprotected on a laptop in a public cafe when you went outside to smoke. That's pretty hard to believe, but also impossible to disprove. If true, it does seem somewhat negligent. But I'm in no position to throw that word around having accidentally left the 1300 BTC in your account in the first place.

towtoad

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Quote from: organofcorti on September 07, 2013, 09:21:12 AM

Quote from: towtoad on September 07, 2013, 09:16:19 AM

I told dooglus about that in details. but I was told I was in a gambler's fallcy. so I've already given up on explaining.

Telling dooglus is not the same as publishing it publicly. If dooglus is wrong, then you'll find more investors might move to your site. If he's right, then you've fixed a hole that doesn't need fixing and may have left your self open to some other exploit in the process - in which case you'll want to know that.

Quote from: towtoad on September 07, 2013, 09:16:19 AM

I've tried amend that "hole" (if I'm not in a gambler's fallacy) on letsdice.com. Since LD is going to open, you'll see that. no secret on LD.

I might see that if you weren't being so goddamn inscrutable

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only in this single respect. nothing more.

organofcorti

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Quote from: towtoad on September 07, 2013, 09:16:19 AM

I told dooglus about that in details. but I was told I was in a gambler's fallcy. so I've already given up on explaining.
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Telling dooglus is not the same as publishing it publicly. If dooglus is wrong, then you'll find more investors might move to your site. If he's right, then you've fixed a hole that doesn't need fixing and may have left your self open to some other exploit in the process - in which case you'll want to know that.

Quote from: towtoad on September 07, 2013, 09:16:19 AM

I've tried amend that "hole" (if I'm not in a gambler's fallacy) on letsdice.com. Since LD is going to open, you'll see that. no secret on LD.

I might see that if you weren't being so goddamn inscrutable

opusdigitus

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Quote from: organofcorti on September 07, 2013, 09:10:46 AM

Quote from: towtoad on September 07, 2013, 04:18:55 AM

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I figure out there’s a hole in the game. I told what I thought to the site’s owner, Dooglus. Partly because of my poor English, I wasn’t capable of convincing him. (sorry, I don’t think I should write up what the hole really is here.) I was told that I was in a gambler’s fallacy. And for some days, I thought I was in a gambler’s fallacy too.

If you don't publish the 'hole', someone else will find it and exploit it (if it works). You have a duty to publish what you know if you want to be seen as open and honest.

Further, investing in a new site means I have to be able to trust the owners math ability. If you publish your analysis of the exploit you found and I find your analysis sound, then I'd be much more likely ot invest with you. Plus you will have saved JD investors from potential losses since a provable exploit will need to be fixed.

He claimed in the just-dice chat room to have sold it to two people for 100btc each. Yes, he is trying to make money off the "hole". Seems legit, right? What was the web address where people can buy it from you again, towtoad?

Edit: nevermind, found it! For the bargain basement price of 111 BTC: Cheesy

http://nakowa.herokuapp.com/

towtoad

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Quote from: organofcorti on September 07, 2013, 09:10:46 AM

Quote from: towtoad on September 07, 2013, 04:18:55 AM

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I figure out there’s a hole in the game. I told what I thought to the site’s owner, Dooglus. Partly because of my poor English, I wasn’t capable of convincing him. (sorry, I don’t think I should write up what the hole really is here.) I was told that I was in a gambler’s fallacy. And for some days, I thought I was in a gambler’s fallacy too.

If you don't publish the 'hole', someone else will find it and exploit it (if it works). You have a duty to publish what you know if you want to be seen as open and honest.

Further, investing in a new site means I have to be able to trust the owners math ability. If you publish your analysis of the exploit you found and I find your analysis sound, then I'd be much more likely ot invest with you. Plus you will have saved JD investors from potential losses since a provable exploit will need to be fixed.

I told dooglus about that in details. but I was told I was in a gambler's fallcy. so I've already given up on explaining.

I've tried amend that "hole" (if I'm not in a gambler's fallacy) on letsdice.com. Since LD is going to open, you'll see that. no secret on LD.

organofcorti

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Quote from: towtoad on September 07, 2013, 04:18:55 AM

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I figure out there’s a hole in the game. I told what I thought to the site’s owner, Dooglus. Partly because of my poor English, I wasn’t capable of convincing him. (sorry, I don’t think I should write up what the hole really is here.) I was told that I was in a gambler’s fallacy. And for some days, I thought I was in a gambler’s fallacy too.

If you don't publish the 'hole', someone else will find it and exploit it (if it works). You have a duty to publish what you know if you want to be seen as open and honest.

Further, investing in a new site means I have to be able to trust the owners math ability. If you publish your analysis of the exploit you found and I find your analysis sound, then I'd be much more likely ot invest with you. Plus you will have saved JD investors from potential losses since a provable exploit will need to be fixed.

opusdigitus

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Quote from: towtoad on September 07, 2013, 04:18:55 AM

(noise)

(An incident happened, which I have no interest to discuss here. They call me thief here: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-gambler-cheats-satoshidice-competitor-just-dice-out-of-1300-btc/ However, Dooglus knew how that exactly happened. He didn’t disallow my further investment and play.)

(noise)

Thieves rarely want to discuss their crimes, so it's no surprise you have "no interest to discuss" it here. Honest people, like doog, do not let thieves sway them from their honest business plans which is why he allows you to return and play. So, in fact, nothing has changed. You are still a thief peddling a scam and doog is an honest person that understands math and allows you to gamble (and eventually lose) your life savings. Nothing to see here, folks.

01BTC10

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Please don't stop winning. You should play full time and go pro.

monbux

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Quote from: balanghai on September 07, 2013, 08:08:03 AM

cool. so can this be withdrawn?

Obviously...

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Quote from: towtoad on September 07, 2013, 06:51:11 AM

they said: "You WILL lose", then I played again, won.
they said again: "You WILL lose", then I played again, won.
they said again and again: "You WILL lose", then I played again, won...
THEREFORE:
I have nothing to say at all about this.

It's not about skills, It's about luck. I don't know how you won the 4K BTC, but if the coins weren't yours in the first place, I suggest you give em back Wink

If they were yours and you won fair and square, hurra, good job, and start some giveaways for us noobs Wink

balanghai

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cool. so can this be withdrawn?

towtoad

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Quote from: marcovaldo on September 07, 2013, 08:02:13 AM

2) who cares about you?

you care a lot, otherwise why bother to reply? DON'T reply this, please...

marcovaldo

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1) tl ; dr.
2) who cares about you?
3) you got lucky, it does not mean that there is a hole in the game. Some people play lotto and wins millions of euros

towtoad

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Quote from: Boelens on September 07, 2013, 06:57:48 AM

Quote from: towtoad on September 07, 2013, 06:51:11 AM

they said: "You WILL lose", then I played again, won.
they said again: "You WILL lose", then I played again, won.
they said again and again: "You WILL lose", then I played again, won...
THEREFORE:
I have nothing to say at all about this.

That means you're lucky, but you will lose eventually. Also, those screenshots mean nothing, they're very easy to edit :
http://puu.sh/4laRF.png

you're just one of "them".

give you another pic while you're replying this:

period.

Boelens

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Quote from: towtoad on September 07, 2013, 06:51:11 AM

they said: "You WILL lose", then I played again, won.
they said again: "You WILL lose", then I played again, won.
they said again and again: "You WILL lose", then I played again, won...
THEREFORE:
I have nothing to say at all about this.

That means you're lucky, but you will lose eventually. Also, those screenshots mean nothing, they're very easy to edit :
http://puu.sh/4laRF.png

towtoad

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they said: "You WILL lose", then I played again, won.
they said again: "You WILL lose", then I played again, won.
they said again and again: "You WILL lose", then I played again, won...
THEREFORE:
I have nothing to say at all about this.

Boelens

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Well, it's very doubtful, but stop while you're ahead, you WILL lose in the end.

towtoad

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some of my accounts:

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