The story of Bold Funding. - page 6.

wolftaur

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Quote from: rainingbitcoins on August 31, 2011, 03:02:03 AM

This is going to go just like the other thread Bruce started, isn't it? Bruce posts a bunch of transparent lies in his defense, and then once people rightfully pick apart his lies and post proof that he's lying, he's suddenly nowhere to be found.

Well, in Bruce's defense, he did lock this thread when he created it, so he might not have been expecting people to end up responding, picking it apart, and posting rebuttal and evidence to support the rebuttal once a moderator had unlocked the thread along with moving it into the off-topic section.

Oh, well, shit. That actually doesn't defend Bruce in the slightest, does it?

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This is going to go just like the other thread Bruce started, isn't it? Bruce posts a bunch of transparent lies in his defense, and then once people rightfully pick apart his lies and post proof that he's lying, he's suddenly nowhere to be found.

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Quote from: bbit on August 30, 2011, 11:07:58 PM

Bruce they think I'm you Grin

lol ... as I said before there are couple of SA turds here that think they can go around character assassinating anyone and everyone I still have faith in you!

You need to stop adding all those extremely characteristic traits you have when you write under your real name, when you're pretending to be someone else, Bruce. Especially those tree dots with space before and after which you seem to use all the time. I noticed you have toned down some of your other trademarks a bit since the first messages, but there are still plenty.

If using the three points means being Bruce, more than half the forum is Bruce.

Its this kind of ridiculous assertions from low count post members that make all the acusations look extremely stupid and basically an orchestrated campaign.

wolftaur

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Quote from: rainingbitcoins on August 31, 2011, 02:03:47 AM

I love the "guys, relax, it was only a civil suit!" line of argument.

Of course, when the best excuse you can come up with is "we aren't criminals, just grossly incompetant!" and even that is clearly contradicted by the facts of the case, there's not really much else you can say to defend yourself, is there?

Especially because corporate shield laws, evidentiary rules, and things like that being what they are in very many states, it's pretty common that there's more than enough to get them for a criminal case but it's easier to go for civil. Especially if the goal is to force the criminal to repay the victims the money he stole from them.

"Oh, I was ordered to pay back the money I stole. But it wasn't a CRIMINAL CASE."

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Quote from: DrZaius on August 30, 2011, 10:02:48 PM

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Bold Funding and Bruce Wagner could not identify anyone who actually received any funding through the efforts of the Defendants.

Not. One.

I love the "guys, relax, it was only a civil suit!" line of argument.

Of course, when the best excuse you can come up with is "we aren't criminals, just grossly incompetant!" and even that is clearly contradicted by the facts of the case, there's not really much else you can say to defend yourself, is there?

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Quote from: tasarz on August 30, 2011, 11:58:30 PM

Any chance you've been convicted of prostitution? Insurance fraud? Ever been evicted?

All the pieces are starting to fall together- scammers upon scammers upon scammers. Is this really the person we want as the public face of bitcoin?

I've been saying hell no even when the only thing we had on him was that he was apparently dumb enough to fall for the mybitcoin scam, and was telling people it was a great idea.

This is like having a guy who blew both hands -and- his dick off with the same M80 being a spokesman for a fireworks company, isn't it?

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Any chance you've been convicted of prostitution? Insurance fraud? Ever been evicted?

All the pieces are starting to fall together- scammers upon scammers upon scammers. Is this really the person we want as the public face of bitcoin?

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Bruce they think I'm you Grin

lol ... as I said before there are couple of SA turds here that think they can go around character assassinating anyone and everyone I still have faith in you!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equity_stripping

Tasty Champa

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Bruce, stop trying to help people and just be Ben,
could possibly help you and the others greatly.
people with conviction, are often seen with humility.

just be who you are sir.

I'm not trying to be funny or make fun of you at all, it's just the world works with you when you be who you are.
I personally have a pretty dark past, and I have found I shine the brightest when I am simply who I am.
(within the boundaries of society of course)

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Quote from: Bruce Wagner on August 30, 2011, 09:51:38 PM

It was mismanagement.

Certainly, no one can accuse you of being a good con artist. Your story is consistent with the scarier sounding State's Attorney document. However, I wonder why you didn't point to Tod Williams as a beneficiary of your service?

wolftaur

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Quote from: JeffK on August 30, 2011, 10:16:40 PM

Damn Bruce, these kinds of incidents seem to happen to you a lot. I'm sure you were never involved in the MyBitcoin debacle as well...

God damn it, that was a brand new sarcasm meter you just made explode!

JeffK

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I never hashed for this...

Damn Bruce, these kinds of incidents seem to happen to you a lot. I'm sure you were never involved in the MyBitcoin debacle as well...

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Strange. The Cook County State Attorney sees things somehow different.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070814043123/http://www.statesattorney.org/pressbold01.htm

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The lawsuit also alleges that the defendants did not arrange or provide any funding, but kept homeowners' fees. Neither Bold Funding nor Bruce Wagner possessed an Illinois residential mortgage broker's or lender's license.

The defendants are charged with violating the Illinois Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practices Act.

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Quote from: JonHind on August 30, 2011, 10:03:24 PM

Did you pay the fines that were levied in the civil court? And did you attempt to pay back the desperate people who lost money?

Or did you move to a different state while defaulting on your rent?

These are great questions - and remember, it's very easy to get the State of Illinois to disclose the current status of the judgement as well as the status of disbursements to the victims.

It's also worthy to note that the court documents point out that you could never actually identify anyone who you actually helped with your "services". Or did SA plant that in an official court document from a couple years back as well?

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Thank you, Bruce. I knew the perfectly reasonable explanation would be forthcoming. Now, can we get on to the business of the next Bitcoin Expo(s)? Cheesy

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Did you pay the fines that were levied in the civil court? And did you attempt to pay back the desperate people who lost money?

Or did you move to a different state while defaulting on your rent?

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Quote from: Bruce Wagner on August 30, 2011, 09:51:38 PM

It was actually a brilliant idea... which had barely ever been done before. And it helped many people save their homes.

...

But all in all, we were only able save a small percentage of the homes we were tasked with.

That's odd, because according to the court proceedings:

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Bold Funding and Bruce Wagner could not identify anyone who actually received any funding through the efforts of the Defendants.

Not. One.

Is "it helped many people save their homes" the new "Underage prostitution does not happen in Pattaya" or "I did not write about the three-pronged attack"?

Bruce Wagner, you are a habitual liar, no matter how easy your comments are to disprove.

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Hey, I had a mod unlock the thread since you didn't want anyone to respond.

First off, the statute of limitations doesn't mean anything if you've already been found guilty. Secondly, what about the $514,000 pending judgment against you in the state of New York? Anything you want to say about that one?

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I can predict the future! Bitcoin will success!!!!

Thank you Bruce. I never doubted you.

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