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Topic: The Trust System on Bitcointalk SUCKS ! here is why ! - page 2. (Read 375 times)

legendary
Activity: 2436
Merit: 6643
be constructive or S.T.F.U
when a Newbie who joined a few hours ago checked my untrusted feedback it only makes sense that a lot of people care about it.

but anyway good thing you pointed me to untrusted feedback part ! would you be so kind and explain WHO can give a trusted feedback and who can't.

thanks
Trusted feedback is based on a user's trust list. This is usually set to DefaultTrust. I have an in-depth explanation from a previous post of mine (this is in regards to trust depth but is relevant):

This belongs in Meta.

For the purposes of explanation, trusting someone simply means that you carry their feedback in the "trusted" section.

Depth is the degree of which you recursively trust those in your trust list and those that are in the trust lists of people that you trust.

For example:
Depth 0 means that you only trust people who you add to your trust list.
Depth 1 means that you trust people who are in your trust lists, and in the trust lists of people you added to your trust list.
Depth 2 means that now additionally, the people in the depth 1 lists are trusted by you.
Depth n means that you trust the people in the depth n-1 lists.

An illustrative example:

This symbol: -> means adding someone to the trust list.

You -> A
A -> B
A -> C
B -> D
B -> E

Depth 0:

A is trusted.

Depth 1:

A is trusted, B and C are trusted.

Depth 2:

A is trusted, B and C are trusted, D and E are trusted.
If you're familiar with CS terminology, think of it as a tree with nodes, where parents add children to their trust list.

You can find your trust settings in any trust page and configure your trust list as you like. This will allow you to include and exclude others in your depth 0 trust tree.

Amazing , very nice explanation.thank you so much for the explanation. you are very nice and polite Cheesy thanks again.
copper member
Activity: 2562
Merit: 2510
Spear the bees
when a Newbie who joined a few hours ago checked my untrusted feedback it only makes sense that a lot of people care about it.

but anyway good thing you pointed me to untrusted feedback part ! would you be so kind and explain WHO can give a trusted feedback and who can't.

thanks
Trusted feedback is based on a user's trust list. This is usually set to DefaultTrust. I have an in-depth explanation from a previous post of mine (this is in regards to trust depth but is relevant):

This belongs in Meta.

For the purposes of explanation, trusting someone simply means that you carry their feedback in the "trusted" section.

Depth is the degree of which you recursively trust those in your trust list and those that are in the trust lists of people that you trust.

For example:
Depth 0 means that you only trust people who you add to your trust list.
Depth 1 means that you trust people who are in your trust lists, and in the trust lists of people you added to your trust list.
Depth 2 means that now additionally, the people in the depth 1 lists are trusted by you.
Depth n means that you trust the people in the depth n-1 lists.

An illustrative example:

This symbol: -> means adding someone to the trust list.

You -> A
A -> B
A -> C
B -> D
B -> E

Depth 0:

A is trusted.

Depth 1:

A is trusted, B and C are trusted.

Depth 2:

A is trusted, B and C are trusted, D and E are trusted.
If you're familiar with CS terminology, think of it as a tree with nodes, where parents add children to their trust list.

You can find your trust settings in any trust page and configure your trust list as you like. This will allow you to include and exclude others in your depth 0 trust tree.
legendary
Activity: 2436
Merit: 6643
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Jesus, relax dude.  I don't know anything about this guy, never heard of him.  

If you're upset that someone wants to use escrow, you might want to rethink that--he's right in wanting to, regardless of the amount.  That's what everyone here recommends.  Look at my trust page and see how many negs I've gotten that are without reference threads.  Do I get upset?  Absolutely not.  The trust that this guy left you is that he thinks your account was hacked based on a password reset, and that's valid.  I'm not saying his feedback is valid, but the concern is.  Just suck it the fuck up and use escrow if you want to get a deal done instead of making threads like this.


I think i did clearly mention that my issue here is not using escrow. I traded well over 1000$ in a few days here " i can show you a proof".  the point here is , the guy was willing to go first, till he saw the negative review which i got from a well known scam " your problem if you do not know him"

plus the discussion here is about the trust system , not about me getting my deal done. my business is my business you should not worry about it, you worry about your own shit. Thanks  Grin


also by the look at your sent feedback you do seem pretty mad at people giving you untrusted feedback Cheesy just like me, you see it's a human nature so do not pretend like you are any better than anybody else ! .
legendary
Activity: 2436
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It's untrusted feedback. Do you want moderators to pore over feedback sent, regardless of who sent it? That would be a huge waste of time and would certainly compromise the staff's time.

A minority of users will truly care about the untrusted feedback and it's unfortunate: you'll lose business that way. But most don't even check trust ratings, never mind the untrusted feedback.
It would be in the best interests of most people if you would continue reporting scams as they come. Some scammers may leave retaliatory feedback. Just don't worry about it. It'll change about 2% of sales.

If it truly did anything significant, then a lot of active DT members would be in trouble. Just take a look at my trust page for example.


when a Newbie who joined a few hours ago checked my untrusted feedback it only makes sense that a lot of people care about it.

but anyway good thing you pointed me to untrusted feedback part ! would you be so kind and explain WHO can give a trusted feedback and who can't.

thanks
legendary
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Jesus, relax dude.  I don't know anything about this guy, never heard of him.  

If you're upset that someone wants to use escrow, you might want to rethink that--he's right in wanting to, regardless of the amount.  That's what everyone here recommends.  Look at my trust page and see how many negs I've gotten that are without reference threads.  Do I get upset?  Absolutely not.  The trust that this guy left you is that he thinks your account was hacked based on a password reset, and that's valid.  I'm not saying his feedback is valid, but the concern is.  Just suck it the fuck up and use escrow if you want to get a deal done instead of making threads like this.
I think i did clearly mention that my issue here is not using escrow.
You did.  So use it.  Also, you're a Jr. Member who registered last month.  You're bitching about the trust system because....?
also by the look at your sent feedback you do seem pretty mad at people giving you untrusted feedback
No, they're mad at me for leaving them feedback.  99% of the time I leave reference links when I leave feedback.
copper member
Activity: 2562
Merit: 2510
Spear the bees
It's untrusted feedback. Do you want moderators to pore over feedback sent, regardless of who sent it? That would be a huge waste of time and would certainly compromise the staff's time.

A minority of users will truly care about the untrusted feedback and it's unfortunate: you'll lose business that way. But most don't even check trust ratings, never mind the untrusted feedback.
It would be in the best interests of most people if you would continue reporting scams as they come. Some scammers may leave retaliatory feedback. Just don't worry about it. It'll change about 2% of sales.

If it truly did anything significant, then a lot of active DT members would be in trouble. Just take a look at my trust page for example.
legendary
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Merit: 6643
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so i realized that most people do not put reviews on OBVIOUS scams and i was wondering why !. so i got the answer !.


so who doesn't know a scammer that goes by the name " etherPIC" ? i think everybody who visits the market place knows this guy.

so i warned people about him on his own thread, and what he did was giving me a negative review so that people won't trust my words on him.

so now I ended up with a negative review on my profile and just now a Newbie who just joined the forum ( 1 post ) refused to sell me a 10$ worth of bitmain coupon and now i have to use escrow that costs way more than the coupon itself lol.


so ya that's what i get for trying to warn people about scammers on this forum!!

I am not by any means against using escrow, but really for a 10$ payment i have to go through escrow , the time and the fees are not worth it.

it's also not logical for me to trust a member who joined today. it makes more sense for him to trust me instead of me trusting him. but when he sees a negative review on me like that ,he has the right to freak out lol. Grin

I made almost 1000$ worth of transactions since i joined with high rank members, i went first and things were smooth.

so what i am going to do from now on, i won't give a f*** about warning anybody about any scams so that my trust page doesn't get all kinda RED NEGATIVE REVIEWS


I am also probably going to delete this thread which i was working on collect a list of all scams on the forum to protect the newbies from falling from them > https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.36123932

so long live the scam artists Cheesy




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