The UEFA Nations League 2020/2021 Discussion Thread - page 18.

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Quote from: 3meek on September 23, 2022, 01:27:21 AM

Croatia did well... I thought Denmark would win, but Croatia showed a good level, although the game stats were the same, with the same number of shots on target... Now Croatia have swapped with Denmark in the standings and are in first place... France also finally managed to win but is still deep in the relegation zone...

Croatia beat Denmark in both games in this group, and they also beat France away from home.
Regardless of all those great results in the League of Nations and second place at the last world championship, most bookmakers underestimated Croatia's chances for victory in this match.
It's really surprising to me that all the bookmakers gave much higher chances for Denmark to win, and it seems that no one believes that Croatia can make a good result again at the World Cup.
Do bookies really realistically assess the team's chances or do they simply trust the big football nations more?

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 23, 2022, 03:37:15 PM

So Italy winning and Germany is losing Roll Eyes

Imagine not be qualified for the World cup and be able to beat one of the team candidate for the top 4. Roll Eyes

Heh. Yeah. Nations League. Where fantasies happen and nobody cares in a super friendly format. Probably better for England to play in B league actually and rack up the goals for confidence cause the past 5 NL games really cannot be good for the players confidence.

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So Italy winning and Germany is losing Roll Eyes

Imagine not be qualified for the World cup and be able to beat one of the team candidate for the top 4. Roll Eyes

If Austria had beaten France, France would have relegated to the B league. However, after France won 2-0, they continue in Group A and everything is left to the last game. If France draws or loses in the last match, Austria will be relegated to the B league in France after England if Austria wins. This result of England surprised us all. Now they can easily re-elevate from league B to league A in the next tournament.

What is to surprise if England could not beat Italy,they got the most humiliating lost game of their modern history when they lost at home 0-4 to a team like Hungary.I don't want to remove nothing to Hungary but yesterday they parked the bus and it was the incompetence of the German national team that let them get away with the three points,they didn't show any good football.

Unfortunately this is the level of European teams and that is why they are not strong candidates for the World Cup starting in November,of course they have about 57 days to improve but this time I don't think is enough,problems I have seen in such bigger European teams are thorough ones and need a lot of time to be fixed.

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Quote from: RaltcoinsB on September 24, 2022, 12:35:30 AM

If Austria had beaten France, France would have relegated to the B league. However, after France won 2-0, they continue in Group A and everything is left to the last game. If France draws or loses in the last match, Austria will be relegated to the B league in France after England if Austria wins. This result of England surprised us all. Now they can easily re-elevate from league B to league A in the next tournament.

A tournament with too many sensations going on, but now we can see next year how England in league B can beat all opponents, or go to League C, it's a joke. ) This is probably the worst games of England in the group stage and despite the fact that the Nations League is not the most status tournament, but Southgate can lose his place as a coach in the team for such results. And changing the coach before the World Cup is also not the best decision for the national team.

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Quote from: gabbie2010 on September 24, 2022, 02:18:29 AM

It's quite incredible that England managed to score a single goal in 5 matches with -6 Goal differences, whereas Hungary whom we would have taught will be the underdog of the group topping the table, I think Gareth Southgate had not done well at all, it's very embrassing to see England team with the best league in World being relegated in Nation league, in yesterday match Southgate played Bukayo Saka in an unfamiliar position with poor tactical formation though with more possession than Italy in the end it was a loss, with the World Cup around the corner Southgate needed to make some changes to the team else they will also flop in the competition.

I saw the highlights even though I was unable to watch the entire game. Sincerely, what I saw shocked me. Personally, I thought Phil Foden made a couple spectacular plays, but other than this, I didn't think the English team accomplished anything else outstanding.This squad has lots of quality to compete and win more than this on global stage. Without a better man as the manager, I don’t see this team winning anything going forward. This World Cup will be a testament to that.

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Quote from: fzkto on September 23, 2022, 11:54:29 AM

Germany must beat Hungary, not only to get to the top of the group, but because they are stronger than Hungary and must show their class, especially as the World Cup is about to start. I can't make any predictions about Italy's match with England because they both play badly in this group. I'll try to guess that Italy will win because they don't have any competition in the near future and they need to show they're still alive.

Hungary are defending very well, they have shown they want the win tonight Germany has a lot of first team players and coul put a goal pass Hungary.
Same goes to England, they're currently loosing with one goal to nothing... Whatever game Harry Maguire has started so far this season has ended in negatively. This should be the first England international game and they are loosing, Southgate need stop start using the right players for the country.

Having England scoring only 1 goal in 5 games is what I don't understand. The 1 goal came by penalty. It is disappointing that England loses their today's match to Italy with the calibre of players they have.

Are we to blame the England coach for their poor performance? Imagine Hungary is topping with 10 points followed by Italy with 8 points, Germany 6 while almighty England is with 2 points. This is unbelievable

It's quite incredible that England managed to score a single goal in 5 matches with -6 Goal differences, whereas Hungary whom we would have taught will be the underdog of the group topping the table, I think Gareth Southgate had not done well at all, it's very embrassing to see England team with the best league in World being relegated in Nation league, in yesterday match Southgate played Bukayo Saka in an unfamiliar position with poor tactical formation though with more possession than Italy in the end it was a loss, with the World Cup around the corner Southgate needed to make some changes to the team else they will also flop in the competition.

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Quote from: MK-74 on September 23, 2022, 05:14:02 PM

We have seen again that the big teams do not care about this league. These teams see the games in this league as friendly games.
It's ridiculous to bet on games in this league anymore for me.

I see that. it seems like that players didn't try to go all in for this match unlike when it was doing the match with their own clubs. I think that those players are still paying lots of respects to their nations. i will not take these matches as serious matches.
In my opinion even if they are not so serious but they are playing with their heart for their nations. It doens't matter what would be the result from that match. I think if calling it's not worth to bet is not true at all.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 23, 2022, 03:37:15 PM

So Italy winning and Germany is losing Roll Eyes

Imagine not be qualified for the World cup and be able to beat one of the team candidate for the top 4. Roll Eyes

If Austria had beaten France, France would have relegated to the B league. However, after France won 2-0, they continue in Group A and everything is left to the last game. If France draws or loses in the last match, Austria will be relegated to the B league in France after England if Austria wins. This result of England surprised us all. Now they can easily re-elevate from league B to league A in the next tournament.

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Quote from: boltz on September 23, 2022, 06:56:49 PM

England is having 5 games in a row without winning any of them and they also scoring very rarely lately and this is not a great sign at all before World Cup because I'm sure England always have the target to win WC or EURO. I'm also hoping that they didn't want to force today and they knew Italy will most likely push for a win and in it the end it worked but I didn't saw big determination from England squad to win as they were ok by making a blank draw.

England will relegated to league B because their final position at the bottom of standings league although there is one more match against Germany but it wouldn't be effect their final position and i know Nation League is not so important because this tournament similar such as friendly games but England should be improved their performance and not ended with the current position and now with only scoring 1 goal and conceded 7 goals from 5 matches makes most people doubt with their performance for upcoming tournament such as World Cup because seems England players cannot showed their best performance while playing on their national team

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Quote from: Slow death on September 23, 2022, 06:19:06 PM

The saddest thing about this story is to see that England were playing with their best players, but apparently they are not taking this league seriously, it seems that even when they are playing with their best players, the coaches instruct the players not to if they make an effort to avoid injuries

I don't think it is real reason. Avoid injuries is a must but if they play bad, there are problems behind it and they can not blame that it is not important tournament like Euro or World Cup so they did not play at their highest capacity.

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I particularly didn't bet on these games today because I already imagined seeing these results

Me too. It is not too good for betting in tournament like friendly match like this.

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those teams that go to the world cup and that have very important players in the local leagues aren't going to try too hard in this league, they don't care losing a lot, getting relegated or finishing in last place, this is an insignificant tournament for them, but at least in my opinion they could put in players who are not important but who have the willpower to play well

The Nations League is bigger than normal friendly matches and teams have more reasons to win. At least, they have to spend more efforts than normal friendly matches.

In addition, World Cup is coming and coaches are using the Nations League matches to explore new players and adjust tactics to have best preparation for the upcoming World Cup.

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England is having 5 games in a row without winning any of them and they also scoring very rarely lately and this is not a great sign at all before World Cup because I'm sure England always have the target to win WC or EURO. I'm also hoping that they didn't want to force today and they knew Italy will most likely push for a win and in it the end it worked but I didn't saw big determination from England squad to win as they were ok by making a blank draw.

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Quote from: Rabi3 on September 23, 2022, 06:35:23 PM

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So Italy winning and Germany is losing Roll Eyes

Imagine not be qualified for the World cup and be able to beat one of the team candidate for the top 4. Roll Eyes

imagine being a world cup winner and placing third in your group like France, aging a group with Italy, Germany, England and Hungary, and Hungary are first after 5 matches, this absurd, this tournament is ridiculous, I lost today betting on Germany to score, and it's so annoying seeing them lose against a team like Hungary.

Before FIFA, this tournament makes people choose different teams while placing bets. I believe these countries doens't take this league so seriously. If not, it is quite hard to see such results. From now onwards the teams should make use of every opportunity as a way to build their skills and tactics, but the expectations were getting destroyed.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 23, 2022, 03:37:15 PM

So Italy winning and Germany is losing Roll Eyes

Imagine not be qualified for the World cup and be able to beat one of the team candidate for the top 4. Roll Eyes

imagine being a world cup winner and placing third in your group like France, aging a group with Italy, Germany, England and Hungary, and Hungary are first after 5 matches, this absurd, this tournament is ridiculous, I lost today betting on Germany to score, and it's so annoying seeing them lose against a team like Hungary.

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I was too positive about Germany tonight. Grin

My expectation was a huge win by them but Hungary did another great work in this match as well. Normally it is really difficult for them to resist a team like Germany. Maybe Hungary are using the environment in the Nations League in a great way but it is still a wonderful work of course. Croatia, Spain and Netherlands are the biggest candidates to be opponents for Hungary in playoff round. Whatever the opponent is Hungary can do even better than this as long as they continue to make this system work like a clockwork.

England were a big disappointment. They lost in a very crucial match and said farewell to the league. Southgate wouldn't prefer the biggest players in the starting eleven in their final group match. This would be nice to prevent probable injuries for them of course. I bet there are many people who bet on both teams to score for this match and lost. To be honest it was a nice choice but England couldn't score while the other scenario was more likely in fact. I thought Italy would have a bigger difficulty in scoring I mean.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 23, 2022, 03:37:15 PM

So Italy winning and Germany is losing Roll Eyes

Imagine not be qualified for the World cup and be able to beat one of the team candidate for the top 4. Roll Eyes

The saddest thing about this story is to see that England were playing with their best players, but apparently they are not taking this league seriously, it seems that even when they are playing with their best players, the coaches instruct the players not to if they make an effort to avoid injuries, I particularly didn't bet on these games today because I already imagined seeing these results, those teams that go to the world cup and that have very important players in the local leagues aren't going to try too hard in this league, they don't care losing a lot, getting relegated or finishing in last place, this is an insignificant tournament for them, but at least in my opinion they could put in players who are not important but who have the willpower to play well

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One of the interesting watch for the day was Estonia 2:1 Malta. 2 penalties in the game with an almost one on one chance that produced the winning goal for Estonia. Estonia deserved to win the game haven't put a lot of pressure and several direct shots at the post, even the off targets shots came with so much power.

Quote from: MK-74 on September 23, 2022, 05:14:02 PM

We have seen again that the big teams do not care about this league. These teams see the games in this league as friendly games.
It's ridiculous to bet on games in this league anymore for me.

You could say that as, the German side showed less enthusiasm towards the game although, Thomas Muller had a very good chance with a header although it was way too direct and Joshua Kimmich had a last attempt with a wonderful shot that went off target. A little direction and it could have produced the goal Germany needed to seal the game in a draw.

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It seems that hungary team is doing it again, surprising us football fans they took the lead again against germany and they are playing really good if the german team does not step up their game they will lose today and maybe even conceid other goals.

My prediction went 180° wrong!
Germany lost by 1 goal vs Hungary and Italy won also 1-0 vs England.
I would like to imagine a poll created for people who didn't follow the league and ask them if Ligue A Group 3 standing is right or inverted!

Quote from: MK-74 on September 23, 2022, 05:14:02 PM

We have seen again that the big teams do not care about this league. These teams see the games in this league as friendly games.
It's ridiculous to bet on games in this league anymore for me.

France, Germany, Switzerland won only 1 game! Lips sealed

England 0 victory, collecting 2 points from 15 Roll Eyes

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Italy - England match might be England's last chance to stay in their current league. There is a three-point gap between these teams now and England are on the brink of relegating. I expect to see England playing extra tonight to get a win here. England win @2.44 seems very favourable to bet on for me. Maybe it is a big risk but I believe it's worth taking now. Southgate must have his best players in the starting eleven to reach their goal easier.

That's true, but I think Italy will try to do everything to win this game, and the next ones in the League of Nations. They won't participate in the World Cup, so they will certainly want to show what they're worth and this is the only competition where they can still do that this year.

They really did it. Italy won the match by 1-0 even though England seemed a little better in performance. I don't know how England couldn't even score one goal in an important match for themselves. England have no chance left to stay in League A officially now. Maybe they might not be too sad about that but I would have still waited for them to do better than this.

Germany's losing the match was even more unexpected but they are at least comfortable about moving on in this league. Hungary really deserve all the appreciations. Their effort so far has been really high but I still thought that Germany would win this time to secure their spot. Maybe if they were in the same group in the World Cup the scenario might have been much different. Germany would care much more about it in the end compared to the Nations League.

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We have seen again that the big teams do not care about this league. These teams see the games in this league as friendly games.
It's ridiculous to bet on games in this league anymore for me.

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Quote from: Jackl87 on September 23, 2022, 04:50:42 PM

Those stupid nations league games are nothing more than glorified friendly matches to me and just another way for the UEFA to make more money again. They are maybe a little bit more important right now because they are one of the last matches before the world cup starts in a few weeks.

It's sad that you view it this way. At the nations league being a glorified whatever and a way for UEFA to make more money. Yeah, they might make some money out of it, teams and UEFA but football remains a unifier and it plays its part in our world.

Quote from: Jackl87 on September 23, 2022, 04:50:42 PM

Afterwards Hungary defended very well. I think that at the moment Hungary is at least one of the top 20 teams world wide, so it is pretty sad that they are not qualified for the world cup this year. They could have played a good role there.

For the fixtures of today, I wasn't so surprised with Germany not emerging victorious over Hungary after seeing Timo Werner as a lead striker and his yet to make any impact for Chelsea this season.

Hungary were more defensive in the game and they did it well against the German side. The German team is no longer what it used to be, no not at all.

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