The UEFA Nations League 2020/2021 Discussion Thread - page 78.

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Quote from: 3meek on October 07, 2021, 06:10:26 AM

I wonder how France will play Belgium tonight? Statistically Belgium have only lost to the undefeated Italians... The French, on the other hand, have drawn a lot... I like Belgium's game better, I think they deserve to win!
However, if you look at the statistics of personal meetings between these teams, Belgium has not beaten France in serious competitions like world or european cup... And won only in friendlies or qualifiers...

Actually, Belgium defeated France in a serious competition like the World Cup one time before... It was in 1981. Tongue

Joking aside, Belgium are the better side now as far as I see. France have been struggling a lot when it comes to getting comfortable wins against their weaker opponents. Belgium are a very hard and competitive opponent for them. And Belgium are very good at attacking and scoring now. Lukaku is just a beast in terms of everything. Cheesy

Even though it is going to be a competitive one, I expect Belgium to advance.

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Quote from: 3meek on October 07, 2021, 06:10:26 AM

I wonder how France will play Belgium tonight? Statistically Belgium have only lost to the undefeated Italians... The French, on the other hand, have drawn a lot... I like Belgium's game better, I think they deserve to win!
However, if you look at the statistics of personal meetings between these teams, Belgium has not beaten France in serious competitions like world or european cup... And won only in friendlies or qualifiers...

If we look at the statistics of the last 4 matches between these two teams, 2 out of 4 matches have been drawn and both the teams have won one match each. Moreover the two teams are almost equally strong. The match will be competitive. Can't guess which team will win. France's striking lineup is very strong. But Kante will not play in this match. This is a weakness. However, I guess this match will also be a draw. There is a possibility of a 2-2 draw.

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I wonder how France will play Belgium tonight? Statistically Belgium have only lost to the undefeated Italians... The French, on the other hand, have drawn a lot... I like Belgium's game better, I think they deserve to win!
However, if you look at the statistics of personal meetings between these teams, Belgium has not beaten France in serious competitions like world or european cup... And won only in friendlies or qualifiers...

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Quote from: cryptofrka on October 07, 2021, 01:38:18 AM

Early red card for Bonucci made it easier for Spain so I can count myself a bit lucky with my bet I guess. Spain was already leading by then but Italy was playing good and could have easily turned the game around.

After the red card Spain completely took over the possession of the ball and made the game more comfortable for them. I'm happy for Oyarzabal, I like him as a player - he had a really good game yesterday.

Today I'll go with France, they are my 1st favorites for the trophy. Smaller bet, the odds are not as attractive as they were on Spain yesterday.

Yes i also tought that spain had a chance as soon as i saw the line up playing with bernardesci as a striker was not the right call he was out of form in the last games plus that red card for bonuci was not expected since he is experienced and that mistake coast them the game as for today game its hard to tell since france are having difficulties lot of draws in recent games.

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Quote from: coderben on October 07, 2021, 05:17:01 AM

Spain got a very deserved win against Italy I think. I really wasn't expecting them to play this good and suppress their opponent. Italy got an early red card and it made things even much more difficult for them. Spain scored the second goal right before the end of the first half and it was the sign that Italy were finished. Italy somehow managed to decrease the score difference to one in the 83rd minute. But still, Spain secured the 2-1 win and advanced to the final.

Spain is a team that relies entirely on young people. The performance of the young team against experienced Italy is commendable. I was surprised to see their performance. I thought the match would be a draw. The Italian team is very strong as well as experienced. But the Spanish team won the match and they dominated the whole match. There was a great gameplay.

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Quote from: coderben on October 07, 2021, 05:17:01 AM

Spain got a very deserved win against Italy I think. I really wasn't expecting them to play this good and suppress their opponent. Italy got an early red card and it made things even much more difficult for them. Spain scored the second goal right before the end of the first half and it was the sign that Italy were finished. Italy somehow managed to decrease the score difference to one in the 83rd minute. But still, Spain secured the 2-1 win and advanced to the final.

In fact, everything was clear after the removal of Bonucci. In modern football, the advantage in the number of players has become critical and the defending side has only a chance to endure until the end of the match and win the penalty shootout. Now it's almost like hockey, although I remember that 10-15 years ago, the removal of one player changed almost nothing on the field.

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Spain got a very deserved win against Italy I think. I really wasn't expecting them to play this good and suppress their opponent. Italy got an early red card and it made things even much more difficult for them. Spain scored the second goal right before the end of the first half and it was the sign that Italy were finished. Italy somehow managed to decrease the score difference to one in the 83rd minute. But still, Spain secured the 2-1 win and advanced to the final.

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Belgium - France today
2,90 - 3,15 - 2,65
The odds are close to fair, but I would swap the odds - in my opinion, the Belgian team has no less skill, and there will be more motivation. Most likely, I will not bet in this match, the result is too vague and the status of the match does not allow me to make any serious assumptions.

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Quote from: DIA7 on October 06, 2021, 08:57:02 PM

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on October 06, 2021, 04:35:10 PM

What a disappointing day for Italy! The game hasn't still ended though. But it is clearly seen that it will be really hard for them to make a comeback. Spain were leading by 2-0 until Italy just scored a goal and decreased the gap by one. But Italy are playing with ten players which makes things even harder for them. Now, Italy see a hope about equalizing the score. They have nothing to lose and I'm sure that they will attack fully. But at the end, Spain should be able to advance to the final.

A wonderful performance from Spain and an excellent formation from Enrique, the Spanish national team, grinding the Italian and wonderful young men.
The system of the Spanish team is wonderful. The evidence is that Boskoch and Gavi were excellent.
This shows us that the Barca system is finished psychologically and morally.
Koeman in stages, although Koeman has excellent young elements, but we do not see a convincing form of Barcelona, and here the teams of coaches appear, La Roja was unlucky in many opportunities, and hurry up against the attackers, otherwise it would have ended with more than four for the Spaniards, congratulations for Spain, Hardluck for the Italians.

Now we can see that its the coach that matters the most. He made this team (without a proper no.9) win against Euro champions. Likes of Gavi, Yeremy, Torres, Busquet were all playing like beasts and even Sergio Roberto looked good. Spain outclassed Italy yesterday. Look at Gavi, He is only 17 and how he pocketed the whole Italian midfield. Kid is just a great talent to watch. I am surprised by Enrique confidence about his squad without any Madrid player. Spain's future looks bright. I mean Luis Enrique again has proved the critics wrong. The young boys performed like they have been there for many games already people must understand that at National level, you don't pick players based on form but you pick players who can implement your philosophy.

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Quote from: 3meek on October 07, 2021, 02:51:08 AM

The red card decided everything... It's a shame Italy lost this game because of such an unfortunate mistake! But they still did well to score a goal with ten players... Well, today will be no less interesting match! I hope Belgium will win! Although it's very hard to predict here!

It is quite unfortunate that Italy failed to reach the final in that match, with this defeat the fantastic world record of the Italian national team has also been confirmed to have run aground, besides that they have failed to match two European titles this year, losing 1 player will certainly have a big impact on Italy, especially we know that if Spain is a team that relies on short and fast balls in attacking the opponent defense, I think maybe the result will be different if Italy doesn't get a red card in that match.

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Quote from: hd49728 on October 07, 2021, 03:00:33 AM

Quote from: 3meek on October 07, 2021, 02:51:08 AM

The red card decided everything... It's a shame Italy lost this game because of such an unfortunate mistake! But they still did well to score a goal with ten players... Well, today will be no less interesting match! I hope Belgium will win! Although it's very hard to predict here!

Ferran has a good match and he decided the match by two goals he scored. The red card has its effect but the match is very balance for both teams. Again if the Euro 2020 match was decided by two goals from Chiesa and Morata then penalty shoot-outs, this match was decided by Ferran and the red card.

Last but not least, the mistake of Bastoni in the first goal is bad. He should defend better in that goal.

@hd49728 while Spain won the match Italy won the hearts of the fan for putting up such an impressive performance despite those red cards. Also is it too soon to say that Spain can restore their lost glory?, or we should give them some more time to prove themselves?.

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Quote from: 3meek on October 07, 2021, 02:51:08 AM

The red card decided everything... It's a shame Italy lost this game because of such an unfortunate mistake! But they still did well to score a goal with ten players... Well, today will be no less interesting match! I hope Belgium will win! Although it's very hard to predict here!

Ferran has a good match and he decided the match by two goals he scored. The red card has its effect but the match is very balance for both teams. Again if the Euro 2020 match was decided by two goals from Chiesa and Morata then penalty shoot-outs, this match was decided by Ferran and the red card.

Last but not least, the mistake of Bastoni in the first goal is bad. He should defend better in that goal.

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Quote from: hahay on October 06, 2021, 10:37:44 PM

Italy lost but Italy's gameplay still looks good and I'm sure, if Bonucci doesn't get a red card or at least Italy is still playing with a complete squad playing with 11 players, I'm sure Italy can make the match draw or even win. Because even, despite playing with only 10 players, Italy was able to minimize the goal difference and in fact, Italy won in the number of shots on goal. The next match to get 3rd place, Italy will be against Belgium or France and I'm sure Italy will win there.

Both countries players played very well, but no matter what happened, there must be a winner. If L. Bonucci wasnt given yellow card two times that led to red card, the match might have been different, Italy tried as only 10 players was later playing against 11. But it is a match, nobody was favored right from the beginning while nobody was given red card for no reason, that was just the game. Also Spain scored first even before the red card was given and maintain the 1 lead until the first half ended as 2 goals. Italy planed well in the second half but it was a bit too late for the team to score second goal while it can even be Spain that might score if more time was given, they both tried and Spain really worth the final qualifier which will be played with either Belgium or France.

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The red card decided everything... It's a shame Italy lost this game because of such an unfortunate mistake! But they still did well to score a goal with ten players... Well, today will be no less interesting match! I hope Belgium will win! Although it's very hard to predict here!

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With today's result, Italy's 37 match unbeaten run is officially over. While they're good, the Spanish gladiators were 100% prepared. The red card against Spain played a major role in their defection. The red card that separated Chiellini and Bonucci has never worked in the past. Italy would have easily won that game. Everything good must come to an end. But Spain did well too.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on October 07, 2021, 01:38:18 AM

Early red card for Bonucci made it easier for Spain so I can count myself a bit lucky with my bet I guess. Spain was already leading by then but Italy was playing good and could have easily turned the game around.

After the red card Spain completely took over the possession of the ball and made the game more comfortable for them. I'm happy for Oyarzabal, I like him as a player - he had a really good game yesterday.

Today I'll go with France, they are my 1st favorites for the trophy. Smaller bet, the odds are not as attractive as they were on Spain yesterday.

I wasn't able to follow the game yesterday but I read about it in the news. Italy record was stopped by Spain which managed to score 2 goals in the first half and profited from the lack of 1 player in the Italian team. That was unfortunate and sad although this competition is useless Undecided

Belgium - France today and I am not very comfortable with supporting 100% France.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on October 07, 2021, 01:38:18 AM

Early red card for Bonucci made it easier for Spain so I can count myself a bit lucky with my bet I guess. Spain was already leading by then but Italy was playing good and could have easily turned the game around.

After the red card Spain completely took over the possession of the ball and made the game more comfortable for them. I'm happy for Oyarzabal, I like him as a player - he had a really good game yesterday.

Today I'll go with France, they are my 1st favorites for the trophy. Smaller bet, the odds are not as attractive as they were on Spain yesterday.

I lost my bet yesterday as I was lured by the big odd of Italy at home which was 2.25 one of the highest odds I have seen for them when playing at home.The Inter and Milan stadium has always been like a curse to Italy,when they have played here even against Sweden a couple of years ago they needed the win to qualify but they just draw,so I am becoming a bit superstitious here and blaming the venue for their lost game.Of course Spain played really well which surprised me as I didn't expect them to play like that but also the red card made them easier for them,that is gambling you never know what to expect.

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Early red card for Bonucci made it easier for Spain so I can count myself a bit lucky with my bet I guess. Spain was already leading by then but Italy was playing good and could have easily turned the game around.

After the red card Spain completely took over the possession of the ball and made the game more comfortable for them. I'm happy for Oyarzabal, I like him as a player - he had a really good game yesterday.

Today I'll go with France, they are my 1st favorites for the trophy. Smaller bet, the odds are not as attractive as they were on Spain yesterday.

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Quote from: hahay on October 06, 2021, 10:37:44 PM

Quote from: DIA7 on October 06, 2021, 08:57:02 PM

A wonderful performance from Spain and an excellent formation from Enrique, the Spanish national team, grinding the Italian and wonderful young men.
The system of the Spanish team is wonderful. The evidence is that Boskoch and Gavi were excellent.
This shows us that the Barca system is finished psychologically and morally.
Koeman in stages, although Koeman has excellent young elements, but we do not see a convincing form of Barcelona, and here the teams of coaches appear, La Roja was unlucky in many opportunities, and hurry up against the attackers, otherwise it would have ended with more than four for the Spaniards, congratulations for Spain, Hardluck for the Italians.

Italy lost but Italy's gameplay still looks good and I'm sure, if Bonucci doesn't get a red card or at least Italy is still playing with a complete squad playing with 11 players, I'm sure Italy can make the match draw or even win. Because even, despite playing with only 10 players, Italy was able to minimize the goal difference and in fact, Italy won in the number of shots on goal. The next match to get 3rd place, Italy will be against Belgium or France and I'm sure Italy will win there.

Italy's performance was quite good, especially in last night's match. apart from the red card that Bonucci received, I think Italy is now developing compared to a few years ago.
even when you see the match against spain a few hours ago, even if they lost in possession and lost in number of players, but they can minimize their defeat, even though it means nothing in the result of the match, but at least their mentality is still good And this is a very important lesson for players from Italy.

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