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Quote from: vennali on February 23, 2024, 07:30:14 AM

Ilia Topuria becomes the youngest active UFC champ. It seems like 29-33 is a prime age to become a UFC champion. It takes time to build a reputation now that UFC is very popular and the roaster is stacked. Is Jon Jones the youngest ever UFC champ at the age of 23?

Yup, Jon Jones was the youngest UFC champion ever, and now it seems impossible for anyone to beat him. That was a mixture of incredible talent, physical abilities and the fact he was ready to fight very often. Looking at his record, he fought 7 times in a span of 4 months in 2008. That surely got him noticed by the UFC. The times were different back then, the competition was not as strong as it is today and I don't even think any current fighter would be allowed to have an official fights every week like he did at the beginning of his career.

The top 5 youngest UFC champs:

#1. Jon Jones, 23 years
#2. José Aldo, 24 years
#3. Josh Barnett, 24 years
#4. Carlos Newton, 24 years
#5. Frank Shamrock, 25 years

Topuria did everything right in his career and he didn't even broke to the top 10. But he has at least 5 years of peak abilities to reign.

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Not sure I've recovered from Volk losing, especially in the way he did. I'm staying away from this next card though, at altitude, which I'm not entirely sure how much of a difference it makes considering the height. I've been at altitude, and much higher than where this is located, but I've never had to train at the intensity they do in the fight, so it's still a bit of a mystery to me how much it effects the fighters. Also, its a tight card anyhow, some huge favourites on the bookies side, but in reality I think most of the underdogs are a decent chance, and some of the odds should be closer. Anyway, dodging this card from a betting perspective.

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Ilia Topuria becomes the youngest active UFC champ. It seems like 29-33 is a prime age to become a UFC champion. It takes time to build a reputation now that UFC is very popular and the roaster is stacked. Is Jon Jones the youngest ever UFC champ at the age of 23?

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Quote from: Rampagoe004 on February 23, 2024, 06:15:53 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on February 21, 2024, 09:35:07 AM

I think at any point in an athlete's time competing, they will use some form of PED to give them an edge. So you saying that the top UFC fighters are using, I won't take it against you and you know what, I totally agree. But really I think it should be regulated rather than an outright banned. And tbh I don't really care. I just want to watch these guys throw leather at the peak of their abilities. Amd PED's are the way.

I agree with you. I honestly don't have a problem with PEDs. We can see fighters at their peak abilities if they use PEDs. I also don't know whether Merab is wearing it or not. But of course there will be big risks if you use it in dangerous doses. I don't know if the UFC actually banned PEDs or EPOs since USADA is no longer with the UFC either. But it looks like it's still illegal.

Merab's performance is truly like a beast. His staying power even has people asking whether he uses PEDs or not. If not then I think he will be the fighter with the best cardio in UFC history.

Oh pretty sure it's illegal as they'll be banned in multiple states. That would be dumb and bad for business. :/

As for Merab, we can't really say if he's on it or not but then again the joke is who really isn't using performance enhancers? Grin

They're all on it.

Anyway, I was watching this again and I'm like Ortega would've won at least the first round if he hadn't dislocated his shoulder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nop6J8uY6Ls

What do you guys think? I'd like to take Ortega but the somewhat long lay off from an injury and taking a top 5 guy right of the bat could be a mistake.

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I guess if we take any fighter and search for his story, then his life story would be worthy of a Netflix adaptation. People rarely go train any combat sport because of happy life. People rarely become a professional fighter only because they are good at beating other guys. Imho there is never a guy, whos parents were billionaires, and due to boredom, he began training martial art, all of a sudden he realises that he has a talent and becomes a champion. This is plot of a movie from 80s-90s only.

I don't think that would ever happen to some people who were raised and have everything they need at home and they can just simply ask their parents for everything that is a trend today. You can see how Manny Pacquiao's son fights and it looks like nothing from his father's talent even though he taught him well what to do. A person needs determination and high aspiration to achieve his honorable goals and that only happens if a person is raised in a harsh yet positive environment which leads him to dream and wants to be a champion one day. That's why in the tradition of the Arabs back then, they let their babies be raised by the Bedouin Arabs to make them strong at a younger age.

Rich people usually don't participate into sports because it's physically exhausting and they have the chance and connections to be behind the scenes in sport and still get as much money, if not more, as top athletes get. By the way, as far as I know B.J. Penn was rich before his fighting career. There we have Jake and Logan Paul brothers that were very reach before fighting. I don't call them fighters but still, it's a hard work and dedication to become what they become in fighting. On another hand, Bodybuilding is a very tough sport too, you have to say no to happiness to become a bodybuilder. Chris Bumstead, a 5 time Mr Olympia men's classic winner, is from Canada, comes from a pretty decent family. He was not a rich but not poor either and had a very high quality of life compared to many people. Besides quality of life, he is super handsome and could party all the day and attract tons of hot girls but instead he chose bodybuilding and become one of the greatest bodybuilder ever. But it's true that rich people rarely choose this path.

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 21, 2024, 09:35:07 AM

I think at any point in an athlete's time competing, they will use some form of PED to give them an edge. So you saying that the top UFC fighters are using, I won't take it against you and you know what, I totally agree. But really I think it should be regulated rather than an outright banned. And tbh I don't really care. I just want to watch these guys throw leather at the peak of their abilities. Amd PED's are the way.

I agree with you. I honestly don't have a problem with PEDs. We can see fighters at their peak abilities if they use PEDs. I also don't know whether Merab is wearing it or not. But of course there will be big risks if you use it in dangerous doses. I don't know if the UFC actually banned PEDs or EPOs since USADA is no longer with the UFC either. But it looks like it's still illegal.

Merab's performance is truly like a beast. His staying power even has people asking whether he uses PEDs or not. If not then I think he will be the fighter with the best cardio in UFC history.

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Quote from: jakelyson on February 22, 2024, 06:20:28 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on February 21, 2024, 07:16:12 AM

I guess if we take any fighter and search for his story, then his life story would be worthy of a Netflix adaptation. People rarely go train any combat sport because of happy life. People rarely become a professional fighter only because they are good at beating other guys. Imho there is never a guy, whos parents were billionaires, and due to boredom, he began training martial art, all of a sudden he realises that he has a talent and becomes a champion. This is plot of a movie from 80s-90s only.

But there could be something like that as well a plot on why he became a fighter for me not because he is the son of a billionaire he would just become one and will be satisfied with what he has, for sure there is always will be a person that could potentially want something new entirely about his life that is not lining to his own father for sure there will be a person like that, and not because your parents is working in the office it doesn't mean that their child will also be working like that.

Search for a place where he was born. If the kid does not go to any wrestling or striking gym, he will be bullied everywhere and every time. Plus in the place where he is from, there isnt much to do. Its either go to gym with other boys, or I dont know, pick up a stick and hit grass. This is the problem of all Dagestani kids or if it is proper to say "mountain" kids. There is nothing for them to do. Either train or sit and wait till you retire.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on February 21, 2024, 07:16:12 AM

I guess if we take any fighter and search for his story, then his life story would be worthy of a Netflix adaptation. People rarely go train any combat sport because of happy life. People rarely become a professional fighter only because they are good at beating other guys. Imho there is never a guy, whos parents were billionaires, and due to boredom, he began training martial art, all of a sudden he realises that he has a talent and becomes a champion. This is plot of a movie from 80s-90s only.

I don't think that would ever happen to some people who were raised and have everything they need at home and they can just simply ask their parents for everything that is a trend today. You can see how Manny Pacquiao's son fights and it looks like nothing from his father's talent even though he taught him well what to do. A person needs determination and high aspiration to achieve his honorable goals and that only happens if a person is raised in a harsh yet positive environment which leads him to dream and wants to be a champion one day. That's why in the tradition of the Arabs back then, they let their babies be raised by the Bedouin Arabs to make them strong at a younger age.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on February 22, 2024, 05:46:49 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on February 19, 2024, 08:05:02 AM

On to the next event... Decent card imho.

Main Card (ESPN/ESPN+)
Brandon Moreno vs Brandon Royval
Yair Rodríguez vs Brian Ortega
Daniel Zellhuber vs Francisco Prado
Raul Rosas Jr. vs Ricky Turcios
Yazmin Jauregui vs Sam Hughes
Manuel Torres vs Chris Duncan

Preliminary Card (ESPN/ESPN+)
Cristian Quiñonez vs Raoni Barcelos
Jesus Santos Aguilar vs Mateus Mendonça
Edgar Chairez vs Daniel Lacerda
Claudio Puelles vs Fares Ziam
Luis Rodriguez vs Denys Bondar
Victor Altamirano vs Felipe dos Santos
Erik Silva vs Muhammad Naimov

I would say that everyone from the prelims looks nonames to me Cheesy

I havent heard anything about those guys. Cant even see a one promising name. While in main card I have found at least 3 fights to watch. Main and co-main fight, and Raul Rosas Jr. Cheesy

That kid got some charisma and hype. Dont forget that he is the youngest UFC fighter in history. Signed contract at 17 yo. I remember how I looked, what I did and what I have achieved at 17 Cheesy

Probably winning counter strike 1.6 tournament in the hood was my biggest achievement that time Cheesy

Yeah obsure names for sure but I like to see Felipe Dos Santos, the guy who fought Manel Kape on short notice and did pretty well. Fares Ziam from France is a pretty good striker, let's see how he does vs a straight up grappler in Claudio Puelles. Raoni Barcelos is pretty good but I feel like he's gonna gas out at high altitude. Cheesy

I mean just watch all the fights at every event and appreciate them for what they are. Make small bets to keep it interesting if you want... The next time they won't look obscure as before.

UFC Free Fight: Ortega vs TKZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr5-ya6XWFI

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Quote from: TopTort777 on February 21, 2024, 07:16:12 AM

I guess if we take any fighter and search for his story, then his life story would be worthy of a Netflix adaptation. People rarely go train any combat sport because of happy life. People rarely become a professional fighter only because they are good at beating other guys. Imho there is never a guy, whos parents were billionaires, and due to boredom, he began training martial art, all of a sudden he realises that he has a talent and becomes a champion. This is plot of a movie from 80s-90s only.

But there could be something like that as well a plot on why he became a fighter for me not because he is the son of a billionaire he would just become one and will be satisfied with what he has, for sure there is always will be a person that could potentially want something new entirely about his life that is not lining to his own father for sure there will be a person like that, and not because your parents is working in the office it doesn't mean that their child will also be working like that.

Quote from: tokeweed on February 21, 2024, 09:35:07 AM

I think at any point in an athlete's time competing, they will use some form of PED to give them an edge. So you saying that the top UFC fighters are using, I won't take it against you and you know what, I totally agree. But really I think it should be regulated rather than an outright banned. And tbh I don't really care. I just want to watch these guys throw leather at the peak of their abilities. Amd PED's are the way.

Here's a couple more vids to watch... Keep in mind that the next event is gonna be in high altitude in Mexico City. Fighters are gonna gas out. Grin

UFC Free Fight: Royval vs KKF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSVtG0eSU0k

UFC Free Fight: Ortega vs Swanson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWhhL82f2tI

And here's jeremypwr's Multi Master Challenge.

UFC Fight Night 237: Multi Master Challenge
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-ufc-fight-night-237-multi-master-challenge-24-february-5485713

It is all speculation if Merab Dvalishvili is using PEDs then the UFC will surely test him if he is positive or not because even though the USADA is not in the UFC anymore there are other organizations that are testing the fighters with drugs like this if that company is not transparent with the results then the UFC is likely just controlling the test results if they are not transparent with the fighters results.

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 21, 2024, 09:35:07 AM

I think at any point in an athlete's time competing, they will use some form of PED to give them an edge. So you saying that the top UFC fighters are using, I won't take it against you and you know what, I totally agree. But really I think it should be regulated rather than an outright banned. And tbh I don't really care. I just want to watch these guys throw leather at the peak of their abilities. Amd PED's are the way.

Here's a couple more vids to watch... Keep in mind that the next event is gonna be in high altitude in Mexico City. Fighters are gonna gas out. Grin

I have used PEDs myself and have a very good knowledge in pharmacology. Merab's stamina is out of this world, the only thing that can give you this level of stamina is EPO (and still you need a super amount of work) and you have to be on it the moment you fight, it's not like cycle in the past and keep benefits later, it's only active when you use it and it's super dangerous drug, it's very dangerous. I just hope that he is one in a billion (billion, not million) and I also hope that he won't die from heart attack. I wonder, how high his hemoglobin really is Cheesy

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 19, 2024, 08:05:02 AM

On to the next event... Decent card imho.

Main Card (ESPN/ESPN+)
Brandon Moreno vs Brandon Royval
Yair Rodríguez vs Brian Ortega
Daniel Zellhuber vs Francisco Prado
Raul Rosas Jr. vs Ricky Turcios
Yazmin Jauregui vs Sam Hughes
Manuel Torres vs Chris Duncan

Preliminary Card (ESPN/ESPN+)
Cristian Quiñonez vs Raoni Barcelos
Jesus Santos Aguilar vs Mateus Mendonça
Edgar Chairez vs Daniel Lacerda
Claudio Puelles vs Fares Ziam
Luis Rodriguez vs Denys Bondar
Victor Altamirano vs Felipe dos Santos
Erik Silva vs Muhammad Naimov

I would say that everyone from the prelims looks nonames to me Cheesy

I havent heard anything about those guys. Cant even see a one promising name. While in main card I have found at least 3 fights to watch. Main and co-main fight, and Raul Rosas Jr. Cheesy

That kid got some charisma and hype. Dont forget that he is the youngest UFC fighter in history. Signed contract at 17 yo. I remember how I looked, what I did and what I have achieved at 17 Cheesy

Probably winning counter strike 1.6 tournament in the hood was my biggest achievement that time Cheesy

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Quote from: TopTort777 on February 21, 2024, 07:16:12 AM

I guess if we take any fighter and search for his story, then his life story would be worthy of a Netflix adaptation. People rarely go train any combat sport because of happy life. People rarely become a professional fighter only because they are good at beating other guys. Imho there is never a guy, whos parents were billionaires, and due to boredom, he began training martial art, all of a sudden he realises that he has a talent and becomes a champion. This is plot of a movie from 80s-90s only.

Btw about movies, I'm really looking forward to a movie about Ilia Topuria that is said to be released after she defeats Volk. This person is really brave and very confident. He wrote in his bio that he was the featherweight champion before the match even started. Man, this guy really put his career and self-respect on the line. Honestly I'm betting on Volk winning because he's beaten a wide variety of fighters. But what was unexpected was the fact that the Topuria had very precise power and timing. Him winning that match was already incredible. And winning by knockout against the No. 3 ranked P4P is something worthy of a movie ending.

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Quote from: Synchronice on February 20, 2024, 09:23:39 AM

Guys, I watched Dvalishvili's recent fights again today and I'm dead serious, this guy is not natural, he either has a lung anomaly or takes enormous amount of EPO. Guy doesn't tire, he can fight round after round without losing stamina, he fights like he is a robot. I know that's why they call him The Machine but I still don't know what to say, I am under huge impression.
Just watch this video from reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ufc/comments/11p403p/its_no_joke_when_they_said_merab_has_infinite/
This guy is unreal!

I think at any point in an athlete's time competing, they will use some form of PED to give them an edge. So you saying that the top UFC fighters are using, I won't take it against you and you know what, I totally agree. But really I think it should be regulated rather than an outright banned. And tbh I don't really care. I just want to watch these guys throw leather at the peak of their abilities. Amd PED's are the way.

Here's a couple more vids to watch... Keep in mind that the next event is gonna be in high altitude in Mexico City. Fighters are gonna gas out. Grin

UFC Free Fight: Royval vs KKF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSVtG0eSU0k

UFC Free Fight: Ortega vs Swanson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWhhL82f2tI

And here's jeremypwr's Multi Master Challenge.

UFC Fight Night 237: Multi Master Challenge
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-ufc-fight-night-237-multi-master-challenge-24-february-5485713

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I guess if we take any fighter and search for his story, then his life story would be worthy of a Netflix adaptation. People rarely go train any combat sport because of happy life. People rarely become a professional fighter only because they are good at beating other guys. Imho there is never a guy, whos parents were billionaires, and due to boredom, he began training martial art, all of a sudden he realises that he has a talent and becomes a champion. This is plot of a movie from 80s-90s only.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on February 21, 2024, 05:19:42 AM

Quote from: Synchronice on February 20, 2024, 09:23:39 AM

Guys, I watched Dvalishvili's recent fights again today and I'm dead serious, this guy is not natural, he either has a lung anomaly or takes enormous amount of EPO. Guy doesn't tire, he can fight round after round without losing stamina, he fights like he is a robot. I know that's why they call him The Machine but I still don't know what to say, I am under huge impression.
Just watch this video from reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ufc/comments/11p403p/its_no_joke_when_they_said_merab_has_infinite/
This guy is unreal!

Calm down, this guy was born in 500km to Dagestan Cheesy

Probably breathed in their special air Grin

But his 10 win streak is impressive. To bad almost most of them are by decision (somewhere in the world Belal Muhammad has turned around right now). If he would have more early finishes, he would be in pound-for-pound ranking. Right now, sorry, has to wait Cheesy

Now lets see how O'Malley and Vera perform. Anyone of them is Merabs next opponent. But I cross my fingers it to be Merab vs Sean, because I want to see how Sean gonna punish him for that jacket Merab stole lol Cheesy

There is probably some EPO in Caucasian air. By the way, I got a little obsessed with this fighter and decided to check more information about him. His story is really very impressive, he was a poor guy, living in village and left his country to move in the USA where he was working as a construction worker and I am confident he wouldn't be legally in the USA and you know, illegal migrants are treated terrible, especially on physical labor. It's really very impressive that a guy who was working constructions, was able to go to the GYM after such a hard physical work. This guy deserves a bright future and his story must be well known to the public. I think it will be nice for Netflix to record a documentary about him when he will become the champion.

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Quote from: Synchronice on February 20, 2024, 09:23:39 AM

Guys, I watched Dvalishvili's recent fights again today and I'm dead serious, this guy is not natural, he either has a lung anomaly or takes enormous amount of EPO. Guy doesn't tire, he can fight round after round without losing stamina, he fights like he is a robot. I know that's why they call him The Machine but I still don't know what to say, I am under huge impression.
Just watch this video from reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ufc/comments/11p403p/its_no_joke_when_they_said_merab_has_infinite/
This guy is unreal!

Calm down, this guy was born in 500km to Dagestan Cheesy

Probably breathed in their special air Grin

But his 10 win streak is impressive. To bad almost most of them are by decision (somewhere in the world Belal Muhammad has turned around right now). If he would have more early finishes, he would be in pound-for-pound ranking. Right now, sorry, has to wait Cheesy

Now lets see how O'Malley and Vera perform. Anyone of them is Merabs next opponent. But I cross my fingers it to be Merab vs Sean, because I want to see how Sean gonna punish him for that jacket Merab stole lol Cheesy

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Sean's request to get a rematch against Vera granted. He will win this time. This UFC 299 is also an action-packed event. And a debut of Michael Page too.

Quote from: notblox1 on February 19, 2024, 07:13:32 PM

With all that noise UFC created they finally revealed main event for UFC 300 and I am not that excited to watch Alex Pereira vs Jamahal Hill.
In my book Pereira is absolute favorite in this fight, but let's see how they both handle five round championship fight.
I am not going to make anything final an set, as we know that things can change quickly, and there is plenty of time until April.
Prochazka vs Rakic is one I am expecting to be the best fight in this event

Pereira vs Adesanya 3 is more appealing than this one, several youtubers were already expecting this fight even when Adesanya was trying to rest indefinitely. I think MMA Guru also suggested this weeks ago. Maybe Izzy will be called to fight on short notice in the end.

If it's not final yet I think Tuporia will also be glad to be in the co-main event. UFC 300 anniversary should be one of the most memorable.

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Quote from: Lykslyks on February 20, 2024, 10:29:33 AM

Quote from: vennali on February 18, 2024, 02:41:33 AM

Well, You got 2 out of the 3 right. Volkanovski got knocked out in round 2 by Topuria and I think his "getting old/granddad" press conference is going to come back to bite him, now that he's lost. It was entertaining while it lasted but the jokes on him.

Quote from: OgNasty on February 17, 2024, 01:11:44 PM

We betting on Mackenzie tonight?

Didn't bet but watched the fight. She's got the chin to withstand the first round and take the fight to the distance, which was impressive. The commentators were biased towards her but yeah, it didn't look close and she had to win by submission, if she wanted to win.

Thanks! I was shocked that Alexander Volkanovski lost to Ilia Topuria but that was one great fight Alexander did great in the 1st rounds while in the 2nd round, Topuria was taking the right timing and in the 2nd round he was more consistent and he also knew the reach of Topuria for him to see an opening to Volkanovski's striking that pocket boxing really help him against Volk, I was wrong with the Main Event but any fighter can win, Volkanovski can also win that fight with those high kicks as Topuria was nearly knockout in the past.

In my opinion I guess I am not surprised but was definitely a little unexpected. I expected him to actually be the winner in this fight. But anyway I have to give credit to his opponent. That dude is good. Even though some people say that fighters have become a little careful with their approach because they want to keep a clean record of zero losses but I still think he is pretty damn good.

Quote from: Lykslyks on February 17, 2024, 01:27:29 PM

Robert Whittaker VS Paulo Costa

Robert Whittaker [1.43] - For this one, Robert Whittaker is a calculating fighter so for sure he can win this with the stand-up or he can even go into the ground but the ground game is unlikely as Paulo Costa has a decent takedown defense so for this it may stay as a standing match-up but as Robert Whittaker could surely dodge Paulo Costa's attacks this is fairly a good match for him.

The Paulo Costa loss was understandable.

Right now I am looking at the next UFC event. UFC 299.
Both the main event and the co-main event look lit.
Should attract a lot of people in my opinion.

Date:   9th March, 2024
Venue:   Kaseya Center

Main Card

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Bantamweight	Sean O'Malley (1.47)	vs.	Marlon Vera (2.70)
Lightweight	Dustin Poirier (2.15)	vs.	Benoît Saint Denis (1.71)
Welterweight	Kevin Holland (1.75)	vs.	Michael Page (2.09)
Welterweight	Gilbert Burns (1.86)	vs.	Jack Della Maddalena (1.95)
Bantamweight	Petr Yan    (1.68)	vs.	Song Yadong (2.20)

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Quote from: Synchronice on February 20, 2024, 09:23:39 AM

Guys, I watched Dvalishvili's recent fights again today and I'm dead serious, this guy is not natural, he either has a lung anomaly or takes enormous amount of EPO. Guy doesn't tire, he can fight round after round without losing stamina, he fights like he is a robot. I know that's why they call him The Machine but I still don't know what to say, I am under huge impression.
Just watch this video from reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ufc/comments/11p403p/its_no_joke_when_they_said_merab_has_infinite/
This guy is unreal!

I watched it too and he is incredible since he can just simply throw multiple power punches but not feel tired at all since he has a unique conditioning that makes his lungs capable of surviving until the last round without any sign of fatigue. The only thing they can do is knock him out or win via submission as soon as possible and they also need to be faster than him when they want to fight him because if they only rely on their power without speed, then that would only make them tired and the fight would be easily handled by Merab like his any other fight in the past.

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