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legendary
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December 22, 2023, 06:56:52 AM
People don't care that Tony lost against legends, people care that tony lost 7 games in a row and this happened when people started saying that he should retire.

That is what makes difference between UFC fan and just a guy who watch sports. Some people just see number on the paper, some just watch last fights and make their final conclusion. That what makes me angry when watching event life. I've heard multiple times, when an old looking guy enters the ring or octagon, younger generation quickly start to say "oooh, look at this grandpa, he sucks, he's gonna get this ass kicked now". And this guys turns to be someone who previously had smth like 20-1 record.

If he wants to continue fighting and it's the only way to feed his family, I am not here to judge. Tony is one of my favorite fighter and I would always watch his fights.

Cant wait when Tony gonna enter hall of fame and put on that fancy jacket Wink
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December 22, 2023, 04:59:34 AM
I understand that clearly, as well as most of other posters here. During previous years, every time Tony fights, we are worried about him more than any fighter of the card, main and co-main event. You cant imagine how many times we wished him to retire after the fight, but he keep on upsetting us. But if you look at any legendary fighter, that continued to fighter after peak age, then his record is more or less same as Tony - perfect or dominant record starts to look like 1:1 ration.

I just dont understand why you have used the word shame. We dont know what is in his head. What if he keep on fighting, if that is the only think to do to feed his family? I see nothing shameful of working. What if he just wants to fight in UFC. There are guys who does not care about their record (like the guy that I've posted above).
People don't care that Tony lost against legends, people care that tony lost 7 games in a row and this happened when people started saying that he should retire.
You misunderstood me, I didn't say a word shame in a bad way. I love Tony, he is one of my favorite fighter. I said shame in a way that as I said above, it hurts me a little to see him losing many fights in a row.
The involvement of David Goggins, the mentality that he had in this fight, the hype, all were great but loss in the end? When we will see Tony's comeback? After 8 loses, 9 loses? That's why people say it's a shame for him to continue fighting but they say it in a good way, that they, like me, want to see the legend with legendary records.
If he wants to continue fighting and it's the only way to feed his family, I am not here to judge. Tony is one of my favorite fighter and I would always watch his fights.
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December 22, 2023, 04:35:42 AM
I keep seeing all these social media posts saying that McGregor is going to fight in UFC 300. Is this official yet? I thought the news wasn’t released yet but I’m seeing a lot of Conor McGregor at UFC 300 posts… I hope we do get to see him fight sooner than later. He isn’t exactly getting any younger and seems to be switching his focus to politics.

Well, Dana White as always would love to see McGregor fight in the UFC once again. He's the biggest cash cow ever in MMA history so he will be welcome anytime. The only question is if McGregor still wants it. He's all just talk but he might not want to go into 2 to 3 months of high-level training. And he's too rich right now, there's no more hunger in him except maybe for a Khabib rematch. Cheesy

There's nothing final for UFC 300 yet. There's still plenty of time so it's also possible McGregor will be part of it. So far, the names mentioned by Dana are Sterling moving up to featherweight against Calvin Kattar, Jiri Prochazka against Aleksandar Rakic and Bo Nickal against Cody Brundage. Shame on Dana for depriving Aljamain of a rematch against O"Malley.
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December 21, 2023, 09:11:40 PM
I keep seeing all these social media posts saying that McGregor is going to fight in UFC 300. Is this official yet? I thought the news wasn’t released yet but I’m seeing a lot of Conor McGregor at UFC 300 posts… I hope we do get to see him fight sooner than later. He isn’t exactly getting any younger and seems to be switching his focus to politics.
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December 21, 2023, 06:26:56 PM
Dana can only arrange a farewell fight only if Tony agrees to retire. Otherwise it would be just another fight. No one can force Tony to retire other than himself though and I don't think he's ready to do that.
If he decides to carry on fighting, UFC has two options: release him from his contract and let him go to a different organisation, or just make him fight lower-ranked fighters for much less money. The first option should be much more profitable for Tony, as he could still capitalise on his fame, despite all the losses.

That is if Tony Ferguson Agrees to retire which is impossible for sure as Tony Ferguson is searching for blood when fighting I really see him as a violent individual and for sure craves a fight for sure he is addicted to fighting and if the UFC considered him to retire I think Ferguson will just sought other fight organization like PFL to give him a chance, but let's just hope and see,

Ho-ho-ho,

Uncle Dana has started a 12 days of giveaways.


He has started a giveaway in exchange of subscribing to newsletter of different brands. You can read more of it @ https://www.ufc.com/12days. Are going to participate or just pass? All they are asking are email and mobile phone. I think I am going to pass. Dont want to find out that all of a sudden I've a contract with them Cheesy

https://www.thescore.com/mma/news/2797595 what is that, is Makhachev planning to move on on one division higher? Will Edwards accept such risk? Cheesy

Dana White is devising something or advertising something this this platform for sure all of the said business partners are involved in this raffle kind of event and it is surely just limited I may be too late for this, and what I want was only the UFC, maybe a little WWE, but power slap no sir,

And speaking of Islam Makhachev he might really be aiming for the Welterweight division which is something great for him as he is now the pound-for-pound great but that is for the time being as Jon Jones is not around for sure they will eventually change that after Jones return,

Aldo and Tony have two different kind of mental problems. If Conor made Aldo mad and planted a seed of hesitation in his head. Then Tony's madness is fighting demons in his head. The guy is simply crazy. If he wasnt so popular, he would be in lunatic asylum long time ago. https://www.attacktheback.com/a-detailed-timeline-on-tony-fergusons-mental-health/ this is an old article, but read what crazy stuff he did, and that was only 4 years ago. He has visited treatment facilities, but they did not cure him completely.

Well upon his training with Goggins, I really think it helped him just a little for sure that is what the purpose of his training for and he said in the interview that he was happy with David Goggin's advice and this is truly a remarkable experience for him I think there is a lot of possibilities that he really is recovering if not physically for sure mentally, but I wish he would see his state of calmness and retire now,
legendary
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December 21, 2023, 06:06:29 PM
Yes, it was posted by TopTort777 in this thread if you missed the video link here it is https://www.thescore.com/mma/news/2797595 Islam Makhachev has hinted at something that I think he wants maybe Leon Edwards, I think Islam Makhachev needs to really fight in a different division if in his division he is dominating it, then he really needs to move into another division, I think he can dominate the Featherweight as well, so if he can clear the Welterweight then he can surely get 3 belts next year, that is if he can defeat Shavkat Rakhmonov,

Thanks a lot. Moving up would be a good move. I'm sure he would get the title shot against Leon straight away, that's unless the UFC did not approve the move and wanted him to stick to the lightweight only.
Looking at things from his perspective, he dedicated all his life, including childhood, to fighting and probably wants to achieve greater things than just having one fight a year. He's in his prime and this is the time to make a push to build a legacy.
I think he should be fighting Gaethje next, then move up to fight Leon then pick the best fights in either weight class.
I have my doubts if he would make the cut for the featherweight, that could be a bit too much for him, but it would be great to see him against Topuria, who, I think, has a big chance of de-troning Volk.

Aldo and Tony have two different kind of mental problems. If Conor made Aldo mad and planted a seed of hesitation in his head. Then Tony's madness is fighting demons in his head. The guy is simply crazy. If he wasnt so popular, he would be in lunatic asylum long time ago. https://www.attacktheback.com/a-detailed-timeline-on-tony-fergusons-mental-health/ this is an old article, but read what crazy stuff he did, and that was only 4 years ago. He has visited treatment facilities, but they did not cure him completely.

That's pretty bad if true. It raises a question if the UFC should be introducing some psychiatric screening for the fighters. Hope he gets his head sorted.
legendary
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December 21, 2023, 11:45:07 AM
Aldo and Tony have two different kind of mental problems. If Conor made Aldo mad and planted a seed of hesitation in his head. Then Tony's madness is fighting demons in his head. The guy is simply crazy. If he wasnt so popular, he would be in lunatic asylum long time ago. https://www.attacktheback.com/a-detailed-timeline-on-tony-fergusons-mental-health/ this is an old article, but read what crazy stuff he did, and that was only 4 years ago. He has visited treatment facilities, but they did not cure him completely.
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December 21, 2023, 07:19:39 AM
Actually, I think that the bad beating that he got against Justin Gaethje, actually made him fear for his body. Now he is not as fearless as he was before. It suddenly looks like he's starting to worry about himself. Which is definitely not bad. But when you are going up against the best, you need that fearlessness in yourself. What I am trying to say is that the meeting had a lot of effect on his mental. So he probably might not have actually recovered from that totally. And at the same time, he is also getting pretty old. Age is inevitable.
Tony really blew my mind. If he still has a bad mentality then Tony could choose not to fight for some time. Tony is already considered a UFC Legend by MMA fans. He's not like some of the younger fighters who are still pursuing a career in the UFC so you can say this happened (losing) because the fighter didn't have a good mentality going into that fight. There are several fighters I have seen who have lost mentally, like Jose Aldo when he fought McGregor before. The trash talk that McGregor threw really made Jose Aldo mentally down, resulting in the fastest victory in the fight for the belt in UFC history.
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December 21, 2023, 04:30:26 AM
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The prizes are OKish, but some of them, like an entry to a Power Slap, is something I'm completely not interested in and wouldn't go there even for free. Also, I think there will only be 12 winners and the giveaway is international, so chances of winning are so small, that giving up your email for potential spam is not worth it.

Well, I really don't watch the power slap but every now and then, and if there are no available UFC events I can not help but look at the power slap but just  a hint of what just happened but just like you I really don't watch the power slap of Dana White and I really don't enjoy watching it,

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Did Islam, or anyone from his team actually hint that he would be interested in moving up? It would make sense if he defeats everyone in the lightweight, he's allegedly one of the strongest (physically) fighters in his class and I don't think he would have any significant height/reach disadvantage, so why not? I like the idea.

Yes, it was posted by TopTort777 in this thread if you missed the video link here it is https://www.thescore.com/mma/news/2797595 Islam Makhachev has hinted at something that I think he wants maybe Leon Edwards, I think Islam Makhachev needs to really fight in a different division if in his division he is dominating it, then he really needs to move into another division, I think he can dominate the Featherweight as well, so if he can clear the Welterweight then he can surely get 3 belts next year, that is if he can defeat Shavkat Rakhmonov,

I guess Tony should fight him next to see whose losing streak is the strongest  Grin

If in some cases Reece Street and Tony Ferguson could fight I would surely consider Tony Ferguson to win this one, as Reece Street is fighting to lose, while Tony Ferguson has the fashion and is technical with his movement I was curious about Street's fighting style so I have watched a couple of his fights and it is not really looking smooth and throwing without remorse for himself while Ferguson is likely have the boxing skill and his kicks is still there with his Paddy Pimblett fight getting this fight in a decision so for sure Tony Ferguson still has it in him fighting the younger Pimblett,

legendary
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December 20, 2023, 07:44:29 PM
I will also pass, it seems the giveaway is not that juicy and I am not really interested in it, what I want is to have an event this week, but because of the holiday season it is clear that we are having a hiatus at the moment, but it was clear this is to get subscription,

The prizes are OKish, but some of them, like an entry to a Power Slap, is something I'm completely not interested in and wouldn't go there even for free. Also, I think there will only be 12 winners and the giveaway is international, so chances of winning are so small, that giving up your email for potential spam is not worth it.

Looking at Islam Makhachev right now he looks huge clearly he is readying himself to get into the higher division, and that will be the Welterweight division but for sure as Belal Muhammad and Shavkat Rakhmonov are at the bottom and getting ready for their title shot I think Islam Makhachev is great in this division and maybe after that going down to reclaim the Featherweight to Alexander Volkanovski, for that triple belt,

Did Islam, or anyone from his team actually hint that he would be interested in moving up? It would make sense if he defeats everyone in the lightweight, he's allegedly one of the strongest (physically) fighters in his class and I don't think he would have any significant height/reach disadvantage, so why not? I like the idea.

People who dont like Tony Fergusson 7 lose streak, what will you say about this guy?
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I guess Tony should fight him next to see whose losing streak is the strongest  Grin
legendary
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December 20, 2023, 11:09:09 AM
Anyway, this three week lull sucks and there isn't any PFL events going on too or Bellator.  :/

There is Rizin 45 on December 31, 2023 at 12:00 AM Cheesy But I think you gonna watch fireworks than those little kids fight Cheesy

I will be entertaining you all with my freak content and sense of humour Cheesy https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0Wod4ttors/?igshid=ZDE1MWVjZGVmZQ%3D%3D What do you think about that anaconda choke? Made by real anaconda Cheesy Also the guy tapped lol (comments are also hilarious)
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December 20, 2023, 10:57:59 AM
Long story short. You have said that you are ashamed of Tony, because he has 0-7 record in last 7 fights. I say that it is nothing bad to have 0-7 when you are old and fight against best. People who keep on giving him opponents, people who still tell him “you can do it” - they are the one who must be ashamed off.

I gave football just as an example. Using your words, if I play against Ronaldo and lose 0-100 during those 90+ min, I should be ashamed that. But in general, imho, I should be happy that it is only 100-0 Grin
It's clear what you mean but I talk from a different perspective. I think about Tony Ferguson as a legendary fighter. When I was watching him, he was winning fights in a row and that was beautiful. He become a legend because he was fighting and beating his every opponent. Then, we saw that he got weak, lost speed/technique and aged as well. Then he started losing, lose after lose. When I look at his statistics now, it's 26-10 (W-L). This is not the statistics that you expect from a legend. That's why I say that it's shame for him to continue fighting. If he continues fighting, soon his statistics will be 26-11 (W-L), 26-15 (W-L), 26-20 (W-L), that's what I don't want to see, do you understand? Thanks.



Actually, I think that the bad beating that he got against Justin Gaethje, actually made him fear for his body. Now he is not as fearless as he was before. It suddenly looks like he's starting to worry about himself. Which is definitely not bad. But when you are going up against the best, you need that fearlessness in yourself. What I am trying to say is that the meeting had a lot of effect on his mental. So he probably might not have actually recovered from that totally. And at the same time, he is also getting pretty old. Age is inevitable.
legendary
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December 20, 2023, 10:02:24 AM
Ho-ho-ho,

Uncle Dana has started a 12 days of giveaways.


He has started a giveaway in exchange of subscribing to newsletter of different brands. You can read more of it @ https://www.ufc.com/12days. Are going to participate or just pass? All they are asking are email and mobile phone. I think I am going to pass. Dont want to find out that all of a sudden I've a contract with them Cheesy

https://www.thescore.com/mma/news/2797595 what is that, is Makhachev planning to move on on one division higher? Will Edwards accept such risk? Cheesy

I will also pass, it seems the giveaway is not that juicy and I am not really interested in it, what I want is to have an event this week, but because of the holiday season it is clear that we are having a hiatus at the moment, but it was clear this is to get subscription,

Looking at Islam Makhachev right now he looks huge clearly he is readying himself to get into the higher division, and that will be the Welterweight division but for sure as Belal Muhammad and Shavkat Rakhmonov are at the bottom and getting ready for their title shot I think Islam Makhachev is great in this division and maybe after that going down to reclaim the Featherweight to Alexander Volkanovski, for that triple belt,

People who dont like Tony Fergusson 7 lose streak, what will you say about this guy?



He has a profile on Sherdog and Tapology. And according to cancelled fights, his record could be even worse than 0-42. The guy is in business since 2014. The guy isnt so bad, as he has some wins in amateur career, 5 to be sure, and 43 losses lol Cheesy His total is 5-85. 90 fights, we can call him experienced, purposeful Cheesy So 7 losses aint so bad. But Dana wont keep Tony for such a long period.

WOW! good find for sure, this is the 1st time I have seen that guy and I think his nickname was great not because he looks like Freddy Krueger but because his record was really a Literal Nightmare, looking at his records and seeing that his fight organization is not also well-known or doesn't have any details at all, and all of his  amateur wins those fighters that he won doesn't also have a great record aswell,

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December 20, 2023, 09:29:37 AM
If Tony Ferguson would not allow his resignation I think Dana White should arrange some farewell fight for a legend like Ferguson, as surely Tony Ferguson saved a lot of events in the UFC and it was thanks to him if he doesn't accept those short notice fights back then for the UFC, so I think UFC is really grateful for a Tony Ferguson but the Situation is something different and for sure a Tony Ferguson just needed some explaining and convincing first and if that doesn't ring something on Ferguson then I think the UFC needs to drop the bombs on him that the UFC is not needing him anymore, or offering him a large amount for good,

Dana can only arrange a farewell fight only if Tony agrees to retire. Otherwise it would be just another fight. No one can force Tony to retire other than himself though and I don't think he's ready to do that.
If he decides to carry on fighting, UFC has two options: release him from his contract and let him go to a different organisation, or just make him fight lower-ranked fighters for much less money. The first option should be much more profitable for Tony, as he could still capitalise on his fame, despite all the losses.

And the thing is the UFC cannot not give him a new contract because he's still such a draw.  If the UFC refuses him a new contract he could just go to another organization like the PFL and be a draw there anyway.

So yeah...  Even though Ferguson is on a 7 fight skid, he still has leverage on the UFC and he knows it. 

Anyway, this three week lull sucks and there isn't any PFL events going on too or Bellator.  :/

Here's a teaser for what's up for 2024 in the UFC.

UFC Announces 2024 Event Schedule
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILbWbtTDfqU

It's a partial schedule but it looks like it's gonna be another good year of fights in the UFC.  Can't wait.
legendary
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December 20, 2023, 08:20:37 AM
I understand that clearly, as well as most of other posters here. During previous years, every time Tony fights, we are worried about him more than any fighter of the card, main and co-main event. You cant imagine how many times we wished him to retire after the fight, but he keep on upsetting us. But if you look at any legendary fighter, that continued to fighter after peak age, then his record is more or less same as Tony - perfect or dominant record starts to look like 1:1 ration.

I just dont understand why you have used the word shame. We dont know what is in his head. What if he keep on fighting, if that is the only think to do to feed his family? I see nothing shameful of working. What if he just wants to fight in UFC. There are guys who does not care about their record (like the guy that I've posted above).
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December 20, 2023, 07:33:12 AM
Long story short. You have said that you are ashamed of Tony, because he has 0-7 record in last 7 fights. I say that it is nothing bad to have 0-7 when you are old and fight against best. People who keep on giving him opponents, people who still tell him “you can do it” - they are the one who must be ashamed off.

I gave football just as an example. Using your words, if I play against Ronaldo and lose 0-100 during those 90+ min, I should be ashamed that. But in general, imho, I should be happy that it is only 100-0 Grin
It's clear what you mean but I talk from a different perspective. I think about Tony Ferguson as a legendary fighter. When I was watching him, he was winning fights in a row and that was beautiful. He become a legend because he was fighting and beating his every opponent. Then, we saw that he got weak, lost speed/technique and aged as well. Then he started losing, lose after lose. When I look at his statistics now, it's 26-10 (W-L). This is not the statistics that you expect from a legend. That's why I say that it's shame for him to continue fighting. If he continues fighting, soon his statistics will be 26-11 (W-L), 26-15 (W-L), 26-20 (W-L), that's what I don't want to see, do you understand? Thanks.

legendary
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December 20, 2023, 05:48:40 AM
People who dont like Tony Fergusson 7 lose streak, what will you say about this guy?



He has a profile on Sherdog and Tapology. And according to cancelled fights, his record could be even worse than 0-42. The guy is in business since 2014. The guy isnt so bad, as he has some wins in amateur career, 5 to be sure, and 43 losses lol Cheesy His total is 5-85. 90 fights, we can call him experienced, purposeful Cheesy So 7 losses aint so bad. But Dana wont keep Tony for such a long period.
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December 20, 2023, 03:32:16 AM
Football is a very different sport. Take Messi for example, he is 36 years old but plays way better than 99.999% of footballers. Tony doesn't fight better than 99.999% fighters.

Football relies on collective team play. A very great player like Messi or Ronaldo can still maintain their great performance even until the age of 40. But this MMA is different. A fighter really relies on himself and is required to always have great physicality and stamina to finish every fight. In football, a player can become famous at the age of 20. But in MMA you need to be around 25 years old to be known to the world. The golden age for footballers is 27-30 years, while the golden age for MMA fighters is 30-33 years. That is my personal opinion. Basically, each sport has its own age limit. I wonder if what made Tony choose to keep fighting was because of his desire or because of money?
legendary
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December 19, 2023, 07:29:05 PM
According to Nyfights.com, Tony Ferguson was paid $500k against Pimblett. I find this hard to believe though knowing he remained winless for years now. But if this is true then most likely it's the reason why Tony is not retiring until his contract expires.

$500k is not what it used to be, and it's not all that rosy if you consider he has to pay taxes on that as well as pay for his camp etc. At the end of the day, it's not win/lose statistics that sell fights, but the popularity of the fighters.
Like him or not, Tony was/is a big name and so is Paddy, both can sell fights better than many others from the top 15.

Dana though mentioned he loves to see Tony retiring. And it will be done unless Tony's contract is still not finished and the base pay might be too good to give up. If ever Tony is fighting again, I would like to see him against someone outside the rankings, someone winnable so he might consider retiring after a win. But in the financial aspect, if the base pay is too high and Tony won't agree to a lower rate it is hard to give him an easy opponent. But at least Dana is clear about not wanting to see Tony fight again.

I imagine the UFC only pays fighters for the fights, so even if Tony has an active contract, if they don't want him to fight - they could just let him go so he could fight elsewhere, if that's what he chooses. I don't think they would have a contractual obligation to organise another fight(s) for Tony (I could be wrong here), so they could mutually agree to terminate the contract.
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December 19, 2023, 03:50:05 PM
At first I wanted to blame lazy tokeweed for not having his job done this morning Grin As we all dont see new event announcement. But it turns out that UFC is now off to Christmas & New Year holidays, as the next event will be only on January 13-14 2024. tokeweed, you are officially forgiven.

Lets focus on DDP vs Strickland free fight of the night Cheesy This looked so fake, so artificial, so staged. I like how Strickland asked Burns wife and kids to move and give him space Cheesy Its is nice that he wasnt dumb enough to start brawl so near them. Why I think it was staged - because camera was suddenly in front of them, and they sat so close. They had all time of the world to start brawl, but they have started it only when camera was shooting Cheesy

I also believe it was fake. And I said that because Strickland is someone who does a lot in front of the camera. What I have heard is that he is a very different person on camera and off camera. And of course, this was staged. So that they can sell more pay per views. And I think it might actually work. But obviously not that much. If they actually want to make a record-breaking sale, they will again have to bring Conor McGregor or someone like him to break another bus  Grin

Regards

Duke

crazy stuff dana has got to stop inviting Trump over there.  they've been acting crazy on camera even colby. sean is at least genuinely crazy and can be annoying to his opponent. but there is just none of them is like conor who can back what he says on camera during his prime days.

they have to have something great to show when the ufc is back like the superfight that dana was promising to make up for having no ufc in weeks.

micheal page vs holland
zhang vs grasso

i think will be in the main card. mike page's first at 37. 
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