the usa is technically not a nation, its a geographic cooperation

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Quote from: mindrust on July 12, 2020, 03:00:27 AM

USA is like the European Union.

EU has 28 states: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia..

USA has 50 states: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware...

Absolutely not. For all its faults, the US "nation" is far more cohesive than the EU, or any other union of nation-states that I know of. People in New York might deride Alabama but that doesn't rise to the level of xenophobia you'll find in many EU countries, particularly... ahem... the ones on the right side of the map. Lack of common language complicates things in the EU however there is also the history of wars for most of Europe's civilized existence.

That's not to say there aren't issues in the US. But I'm quite certain that between the extremes of "let's go back to 1950s and put women back into the kitchen and brown people to the back of the bus" and "let's torch all police precincts and build a new society based on UBI and unicorn farts" there will be a solution found somewhere in the middle. Will everyone be happy? Probably not. Will it be motivated mostly by money? Fuck yeah. That's the American way. Works most of the time or at least works better than what anyone else managed to come up with.

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Quote from: KingScorpio on July 13, 2020, 06:01:02 PM

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Quote from: mindrust on July 12, 2020, 03:00:27 AM

USA is like the European Union.

EU has 28 states: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia..

USA has 50 states: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware...

Well can you get in a car and drive across the eu with out border checks?
Or do you need to show papers to cross from one country to the next?

The USA allows driving from state to state without a border check.

To be frank having lived in the USA for 61 of 63 years it is not very united at the moment.

it never was,

Just because members of your household don't require border checks as they enter their house, doesn't mean they are not united.

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Quote from: philipma1957laptop on July 13, 2020, 02:50:54 PM

Quote from: mindrust on July 12, 2020, 03:00:27 AM

USA is like the European Union.

EU has 28 states: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia..

USA has 50 states: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware...

Well can you get in a car and drive across the eu with out border checks?
Or do you need to show papers to cross from one country to the next?

The USA allows driving from state to state without a border check.

To be frank having lived in the USA for 61 of 63 years it is not very united at the moment.

it never was,

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Quote from: philipma1957laptop on July 13, 2020, 02:50:54 PM

Quote from: mindrust on July 12, 2020, 03:00:27 AM

USA is like the European Union.

EU has 28 states: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia..

USA has 50 states: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware...

Well can you get in a car and drive across the eu with out border checks?

You can.

Quote from: philipma1957laptop on July 13, 2020, 02:50:54 PM

To be frank having lived in the USA for 61 of 63 years it is not very united at the moment.

It is the same almost everywhere lately... The Brexit, Catalonia/Spain, the yellow dudes in France...

The main thing that keeps the USA together is money. (not sayin it is different everywhere else but USA is all about making money.)

Once it is gone, it will be a shitshow.

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Quote from: mindrust on July 12, 2020, 03:00:27 AM

USA is like the European Union.

EU has 28 states: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia..

USA has 50 states: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware...

Well can you get in a car and drive across the eu with out border checks?
Or do you need to show papers to cross from one country to the next?

The USA allows driving from state to state without a border check.

To be frank having lived in the USA for 61 of 63 years it is not very united at the moment.

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secondly why use for 2 different terms lingual union and geographic union, the same term?

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Quote from: Viper1 on July 13, 2020, 12:48:44 PM

Quote from: KingScorpio on July 13, 2020, 12:30:04 PM

Quote from: Viper1 on July 13, 2020, 11:42:39 AM

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na thats the wrong usage, for that there is the word "cultural realm", nation can only be used correct for a lingually standardized group like kurds, arabs, turks, not for something like "americans" or "europeans

Based on what. Please show me the actual documentation that supports your claim because everything on that page refutes what you have to say on the matter. If you like, you can "win" by just saying it's your opinion.

based on lingual hygene in the us where nation is used to also describes cultural groups, people just follow the mood of some newspaper writers, they don't preserve the historic correct usage,

they are using for islam the word nation although its a religion that can be shaped by many nationalities.

its time people remember what nation means again,

I asked you for proof of your claim and all you gave me was what I assume is your opinion. Please provide me proof or just say it's your opinion.

how can people form a nation that don't understand each other? there has to be a lingual network capable of uniting them.

if the usa is a nation, than native americans can't be nations, they have then to abandon that term to selfdescribe themselves as tribe or whatever.

So no proof of your claim, just your opinion. Got it. Well good luck with that.

kurds, turks and arabs consider themselves different groups because they speak different langauges, you nation of islam doesn't exist, because islam is a religion not a nation

the same is in the geographic cooperation usa, which has groups hostile to each other, that even call themselves nations,

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Quote from: KingScorpio on July 13, 2020, 12:30:04 PM

Quote from: Viper1 on July 13, 2020, 11:42:39 AM

Quote from: KingScorpio on July 13, 2020, 11:40:44 AM

Quote from: Viper1 on July 13, 2020, 11:27:35 AM

Quote from: KingScorpio on July 13, 2020, 11:16:46 AM

na thats the wrong usage, for that there is the word "cultural realm", nation can only be used correct for a lingually standardized group like kurds, arabs, turks, not for something like "americans" or "europeans

Based on what. Please show me the actual documentation that supports your claim because everything on that page refutes what you have to say on the matter. If you like, you can "win" by just saying it's your opinion.

based on lingual hygene in the us where nation is used to also describes cultural groups, people just follow the mood of some newspaper writers, they don't preserve the historic correct usage,

they are using for islam the word nation although its a religion that can be shaped by many nationalities.

its time people remember what nation means again,

I asked you for proof of your claim and all you gave me was what I assume is your opinion. Please provide me proof or just say it's your opinion.

how can people form a nation that don't understand each other? there has to be a lingual network capable of uniting them.

if the usa is a nation, than native americans can't be nations, they have then to abandon that term to selfdescribe themselves as tribe or whatever.

So no proof of your claim, just your opinion. Got it. Well good luck with that.

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Quote from: Viper1 on July 13, 2020, 11:42:39 AM

Quote from: KingScorpio on July 13, 2020, 11:40:44 AM

Quote from: Viper1 on July 13, 2020, 11:27:35 AM

Quote from: KingScorpio on July 13, 2020, 11:16:46 AM

na thats the wrong usage, for that there is the word "cultural realm", nation can only be used correct for a lingually standardized group like kurds, arabs, turks, not for something like "americans" or "europeans

Based on what. Please show me the actual documentation that supports your claim because everything on that page refutes what you have to say on the matter. If you like, you can "win" by just saying it's your opinion.

based on lingual hygene in the us where nation is used to also describes cultural groups, people just follow the mood of some newspaper writers, they don't preserve the historic correct usage,

they are using for islam the word nation although its a religion that can be shaped by many nationalities.

its time people remember what nation means again,

I asked you for proof of your claim and all you gave me was what I assume is your opinion. Please provide me proof or just say it's your opinion.

how can people form a nation that don't understand each other? there has to be a lingual network capable of uniting them.

if the usa is a nation, than native americans can't be nations, they have then to abandon that term to selfdescribe themselves as tribe or whatever.

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Quote from: KingScorpio on July 13, 2020, 11:40:44 AM

Quote from: Viper1 on July 13, 2020, 11:27:35 AM

Quote from: KingScorpio on July 13, 2020, 11:16:46 AM

na thats the wrong usage, for that there is the word "cultural realm", nation can only be used correct for a lingually standardized group like kurds, arabs, turks, not for something like "americans" or "europeans

Based on what. Please show me the actual documentation that supports your claim because everything on that page refutes what you have to say on the matter. If you like, you can "win" by just saying it's your opinion.

based on lingual hygene in the us where nation is used to also describes cultural groups, people just follow the mood of some newspaper writers, they don't preserve the historic correct usage,

they are using for islam the word nation although its a religion that can be shaped by many nationalities.

its time people remember what nation means again,

I asked you for proof of your claim and all you gave me was what I assume is your opinion. Please provide me proof or just say it's your opinion.

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Quote from: Viper1 on July 13, 2020, 11:27:35 AM

Quote from: KingScorpio on July 13, 2020, 11:16:46 AM

na thats the wrong usage, for that there is the word "cultural realm", nation can only be used correct for a lingually standardized group like kurds, arabs, turks, not for something like "americans" or "europeans

Based on what. Please show me the actual documentation that supports your claim because everything on that page refutes what you have to say on the matter. If you like, you can "win" by just saying it's your opinion.

based on lingual hygene in the us where nation is used to also describes cultural groups, people just follow the mood of some newspaper writers, they don't preserve the historic correct usage,

they are using for islam the word nation although its a religion that can be shaped by many nationalities.

its time people remember what nation means again,

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Quote from: KingScorpio on July 13, 2020, 11:16:46 AM

na thats the wrong usage, for that there is the word "cultural realm", nation can only be used correct for a lingually standardized group like kurds, arabs, turks, not for something like "americans" or "europeans

Based on what. Please show me the actual documentation that supports your claim because everything on that page refutes what you have to say on the matter. If you like, you can "win" by just saying it's your opinion.

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Quote from: Viper1 on July 13, 2020, 10:02:39 AM

Quote from: KingScorpio on July 11, 2020, 07:14:21 PM

americans describe themselves as being a nation, like germany, or france or russia, but they are not a society that is being held together by a single language, but by a geographic boundaries.

nations in america are the englisch speaking, the hispanics, the sioux etc.

Is you're entire purpose to spread bullshit information or are you just that misinformed?

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Black's Law Dictionary defines a nation as follows:

nation, n.
1. A large group of people having a common origin, language, and tradition and usu. constituting a political entity. • When a nation is coincident with a state, the term nation-state is often used....

2. A community of people inhabiting a defined territory and organized under an independent government; a sovereign political state....

The word "nation" is sometimes used as synonym for:

State (polity) or sovereign state: a government which controls a specific territory, which may or may not be associated with any particular ethnic group

Country: a geographic territory, which may or may not have an affiliation with a government or ethnic group

na thats the wrong usage, for that there is the word "cultural realm", nation can only be used correct for a lingually standardized group like kurds, arabs, turks, not for something like "americans" or "europeans

native american's can't be american's if they consider themselves a different nation.

regards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation

secondly, they cannot be an independent nation if the don't keep their own langauge anyway.

for example you cannot say islam is a nation, islam is a religion and not a nation, the englisch lanauge is trashy compared to german, but not as trashy as compared to french.

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Quote from: KingScorpio on July 11, 2020, 07:14:21 PM

americans describe themselves as being a nation, like germany, or france or russia, but they are not a society that is being held together by a single language, but by a geographic boundaries.

nations in america are the englisch speaking, the hispanics, the sioux etc.

Is you're entire purpose to spread bullshit information or are you just that misinformed?

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Black's Law Dictionary defines a nation as follows:

nation, n.
1. A large group of people having a common origin, language, and tradition and usu. constituting a political entity. • When a nation is coincident with a state, the term nation-state is often used....

2. A community of people inhabiting a defined territory and organized under an independent government; a sovereign political state....

The word "nation" is sometimes used as synonym for:

State (polity) or sovereign state: a government which controls a specific territory, which may or may not be associated with any particular ethnic group

Country: a geographic territory, which may or may not have an affiliation with a government or ethnic group

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation

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Quote from: BADecker on July 13, 2020, 07:36:55 AM

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Quote from: BADecker on July 13, 2020, 06:43:11 AM

Check the definitions: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/nation?s=t and https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cooperation?s=t.

What makes the USA a nation is the agreement of the people to not agree to necessarily be a nation. Yet they all live together in one land.

The cooperation is shown in the fact that they pay taxes.

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englisch langauge is not in meaningful representative its german that is.

englisch dictionaries are about what do people use that word for but they don't consider the core.

in germany is only considered a nation by idiots.

nation is a lingual network of people, it is related to langauge. not territory.

usa is a geographic cooperation not a nation.

You're in the wrong section. Try https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=16.0.

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nation relates to the langauge, not the terrory, a geographic cooperation can have many nation but a nation cant conatain other nations.

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Quote from: KingScorpio on July 13, 2020, 07:24:07 AM

Quote from: BADecker on July 13, 2020, 06:43:11 AM

Check the definitions: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/nation?s=t and https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cooperation?s=t.

What makes the USA a nation is the agreement of the people to not agree to necessarily be a nation. Yet they all live together in one land.

The cooperation is shown in the fact that they pay taxes.

Cool

englisch langauge is not in meaningful representative its german that is.

englisch dictionaries are about what do people use that word for but they don't consider the core.

in germany is only considered a nation by idiots.

nation is a lingual network of people, it is related to langauge. not territory.

usa is a geographic cooperation not a nation.

You're in the wrong section. Try https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=16.0.

Cool

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Quote from: BADecker on July 13, 2020, 06:43:11 AM

Check the definitions: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/nation?s=t and https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cooperation?s=t.

What makes the USA a nation is the agreement of the people to not agree to necessarily be a nation. Yet they all live together in one land.

The cooperation is shown in the fact that they pay taxes.

Cool

englisch langauge is not in meaningful representative its german that is.

englisch dictionaries are about what do people use that word for but they don't consider the core.

in germany is only considered a nation by idiots.

nation is a lingual network of people, it is related to langauge. not territory.

usa is a geographic cooperation not a nation.

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Check the definitions: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/nation?s=t and https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cooperation?s=t.

What makes the USA a nation is the agreement of the people to not agree to necessarily be a nation. Yet they all live together in one land.

The cooperation is shown in the fact that they pay taxes.

Cool

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Quote from: franky1 on July 12, 2020, 05:39:10 AM

Quote from: mindrust on July 12, 2020, 03:00:27 AM

USA is like the European Union.

EU has 28 states: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia..

USA has 50 states: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware...

yep this is a closer description compared to kingscorpios nonsense
also kingscorpio doesnt realise that 'nation' is not limited to language. it can also be a collective community based on territory, historic common knowledge of a certain community in a certain area/land being there

this is why 'micronations' are hard to become adopted because a cult cant just say they are a micronation in a month without having a unique thing that sets them apart to be truly recognised as separate from neighbouring communities. especially if that micronation is within a landspace already set up and recognised as a nation with its own rules against devolving into micronations.

take catalonia, that didnt happen overnight

the term nationalism was born in the french revolution, the french nation,

the usa was not a nation the colonies simply rose up lead by a masonic network.

the EU is not a nation its a geographic cooperation, the usa is therefore no nation either, its native american tribes are nations.

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Quote from: mindrust on July 12, 2020, 03:00:27 AM

USA is like the European Union.

EU has 28 states: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia..

USA has 50 states: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware...

yep this is a closer description compared to kingscorpios nonsense
also kingscorpio doesnt realise that 'nation' is not limited to language. it can also be a collective community based on territory, historic common knowledge of a certain community in a certain area/land being there

this is why 'micronations' are hard to become adopted because a cult cant just say they are a micronation in a month without having a unique thing that sets them apart to be truly recognised as separate from neighbouring communities. especially if that micronation is within a landspace already set up and recognised as a nation with its own rules against devolving into micronations.

take catalonia, that didnt happen overnight

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