Topic: The Vitamin D Thread. (Read 226 times)

The Vitamin D Thread.


Called by the medical, "The Vitamin D Threat," because it's obliterating everything they stand for, including their livelihood.

covid causes lung inflammation that causes coughing.. and causes lung damage and suffocation

beriberi causes a loss of feeling and muscle use in your limbs(arms and legs)

beri beri=limbs
covid=lungs

not sure if you are dyslexic or just reading your scripts from an uninformed conspiracy site. but beriberi is nothing like covid.

hint: 26seconds to debunk your narrative.. try harder

Sure, sure franky. On the one hand you take things that I say and twist them to contradict me and on the other hand it seems that you want to contradict me in things that we agree.


According to today's nutritional guidelines, if you have a basal metabolic expenditure of 2,000 Kcal per day and you eat 1,800 Kcal of coke and MCD, you will lose weight. That is the problem. Not that a Pepsi is not the same as a Bigmac.

The effect on insulin, ghrelin or leptin of that food is what's important.

And for the other thing you say, I don't bother to answer you because I have already done it before, and you keep on going on and on:


LOL. 

If you learn the differences between medicines, you will find that you can OD on medicine way more easily than you can OD on nutritious food... just like sunbathing until you become a lobster, rather than downing 40,000 or 50,000 units of vitamin D.

When you consider that the symptoms of beriberi are almost the same as Covid, and beriberi is a thiamine deficiency just like Covid looks to be, we wonder if Covid produces any bad effects at all! Maybe the only thing that Covid does is to cause the body to use more thiamine so that people get beriberi. And that's what Covid really is - beriberi.

There are so many ways that the medical isn't checking into what Covid really is, that they have no idea as to how to cure it. Just don't let them turn you into a red lobster, or you might find yourself on the menu at a Red Lobster.

if you learn the differences between lactose, fructose, glucose, dextrose. you will learn a calorie is not just a calorie

some carbohydrates are closer to being fats. and some are closer to being sugars.

a milkshake is not the same calorie as a pepsi
and a pepsi is not the same as a bigmac
and a bigmac is not the same as broccoli

as for sunscreen..
UVA - causes skin aging.
UVB - cab absorb and create vitamin D but once the cells have had enough it no longer absorbs and starts just heating and then burning the top layers of your skin

so yea if you are sunbathing long enough for it to start feeling hot and burning. you have had too much..
continuing to sunbathe until you look like a lobster wont increase your vitD creation.

you do not need blistering sunny days to get your vitD.
you do not need to become as red as a lobster

Yes, whatever. The fact is that I don't believe the official version that is told, neither in the nutritional guidelines nor with respect to vitamin D.


Lol, well, you know we don't have the same stance on that, although, in principle, I'm OK with social democratic governments intervening. The thing is that for them to do it right, besides being smart and capable they have to be good people, really altruistic, etc.

With less intervention, we depend less on the qualities of politicians and more on ourselves.

Also, with justice, if companies are lying about nicotine or food to make more profit, what they are doing is cheating and the full weight of the law should be on them.

Yes, that makes sense. The vaccines were certainly developed at considerable pace, and with huge pressure to deliver something to the market very quickly. It was perfectly reasonable to have concerns when the rollout started. But as you say, the data are now revealing that the approved vaccines are safe.


A large reason is the human migration, over millennia, out of Africa and to higher latitudes where the sunlight is less powerful. A reason for the mutation to paler skin tones in northern regions is likely compensation for vitamin D deficiency. The people who suffer most from vitamin D deficiency are those who have migrated to higher latitudes but retain darker skin tones. This is why, when investigating higher Covid mortality amongst ethnic minorities in northern nations, it is important to consider whether vitamin D levels might be a factor.


I don't think this should be considered a conspiracy theory, it's simply transparent, shameless and aggressive positioning by companies that have a vested interest in the outcome. Fast food companies claim that fast food is healthy. Companies that produce alcohol claim that alcohol isn't damaging. Cigarette companies used to claim that cigarettes were safe. Fossil fuel companies claim that climate change is either natural or non-existent. The Financial Times claims that bitcoin is a scam.  ... perhaps we need more government intervention to prevent these companies from misleading people?  

I watched an interview from a doctor who recently talking about how can we survive from this covid 19 and what kind of foods and things should be followed on it he talked about the vitamin D as well which should normally present in our body when we expose our body to sun light but in these days these things are not happening due to some changes happened in our life style and fat molecules present below the layer of the skin because which is the one should do the process of converting the sun rays into vitamin D3 to us.

So if someone lacks of vitamin D then it is necessary to take it as supplement not forever until we eradicate this covid from this earth.

In my case I mentioned it a few posts back.

1) My experience is that since I have had optimal Vitamin D levels I have not caught colds and such (which is often reported by people who go on to optimize their vitamin D levels), and there is evidence to suggest that the same would be true with Covid.

2) I was more reluctant when the vaccines first came out. The more time passes and I see that there are no widespread negative effects, the less reluctant I am.


Our behavior by making more life indoors is not due to a conspiracy. The recommendation not to sunbathe and when we do sunbathe we put on supposedly protective sunscreen is what could be due to a conspiracy.

I can't be sure if there is a conspiracy or not, but after years of reading about it, it seems to me the most likely hypothesis. Besides, as in other subjects, I am open to strong arguments to change my opinion.

And it's funny that you mention the food issue. It is precisely another conspiracy that I believe in. Coca-Cola McDonald's and a lot of companies paying experts to convince everyone that it is the same to eat 2.000Kcal of Coca Cola and McDonald's than 2.000Kcal of broccoli with salmon. Also that healthy is to eat a minimum of 5 times a day, when that is a barbarity that has never been done in the history of mankind in places where there was plenty of food.

So here we are, with obesity levels and chronic diseases breaking records every year.

While you seem to have put a lot of coincidental information together, I get the feeling that you are attributing to malice that which can be adequately explained by "accident". Since the beginning of the human species, our body has been able to produce vitamin D from sunlight or receive it from sources like eggs. In the modern world, with many people choosing to stay indoors and hooked on TV or the internet, it is a natural consequence that people are getting less exposure to sunlight. Same with food sources, people are increasingly under pressure from work and home cooking has taken a back seat, many healthy foods are shunned in favor of fast food. Now, the only part of your idea that is possibly true is that artificially created supplements might be unnecessarily expensive, but this is also driven by supply and demand. If you combine all these shifts in human behavior it is easy to see people getting less vitamin D than the past few decades, but to call it a conspiracy when it is simply self inflicted collective societal changes seems a bit silly.

There is some evidence, as we've seen, that moderate Vitamin D supplementation helps to protect to an extent against the worst effects of Covid.

But I still don't understand why those who want to take something to protect themselves are unwilling to take the obvious and best protection, which is the vaccine.

Is the objection a moral one, that they don't want to support profit-seeking Big Pharma? in which case, why is there such an overlap between those who dislike the profit-seeking and those who in every other circumstance advocate zero government intervention, and to let the money flow according to free capitalism? And how does Biden's proposed patent waiver fit into all this?

Or is the objection that the vaccines don't work or aren't safe? Evidence, as I've linked to dozens of times in P&S, clearly shows that they do work and are safe, and that case numbers drop hugely once a vaccination programme gets into full swing - as we've seen to such dramatic effect in the UK.

Objection to the vaccine seems to be baseless-conclusion-led rather than data-led.

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I have seen that some that countries is into problem, in my country nobody watch your food in your weight, and rate getting cancer is high while our atmosphere is very harsh, the ozone layer or depletion really affect but no contamination of cancers per say, the only thing i know that affects my country is diabetes mellitus which causes by much of intake of food molecules that contains sugar, and it's under control.

Just wonder how USA will be consuming minerals because of health and lack of it causes harm to their system, it's a serious problem. So if i may ask what is the cause of  this disease you listed?

In the USA, if you haven't been taking at least 40,000 or 50,000 units of vitamin D a day, your odds of dying from cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and a lot of other diseases, go way up.

Vit D does not directly increase your immunity
and if your immunity is failing due to a number of reasons. or if its already at peak efficiency vitD will not 'boost it'

Vit D aids the absorbtion of calcium and other nutrients
its the calcium that build stronger bones
which then allows for your bones to produce marrow using vit B12, iron, folic acid,
which then produces blood/immuno cells

vitD does not produce immuno cells

once you learn to separate and recognise the many steps inbetween. you might learn that suggesting 'more than norm vit D' does not directly translate to better immune system

when pregnant women are growing a babyinside them.. guess what the two main ingredients recommended to prevent bone growth defects and help imunity as they grow.
.. calcium and folic acid
bones are made of calcium.. so guess the more important ingredient.. calcium
marrow and blood.. guess the main ingredient... iron

so it doesnt matter if your swallow 5trillion iu of vitD. if your low on the actual materials that make bone. marrow and immuno cells.. your not helping yourself
...
lets use bloodsugar and insulin as an analogy.. something most people are more common with.

your body need sugar(calcium) to function for energy/fuel. and insulin(vitD) helps sugar(calcium) get into the cell to do is more important work.. get that?
having a low sugar(calcium) thus low energy(bone repair). is not cured by overdosing on insulin(vitD)... get that
overdosing on insulin(vitD) while already being low on sugar(calcium) is not going to give you the energy(bone maintenance) result.
GET THAT??

if you have high sugar(calcium) but still suffer from low energy(bad bones low blood low immunity) then and only then is it a sign that your insulin(vitd) is insufficient. but usually best to get a insulin(vitD) test to find out your levels before just taking overdoses of insulin(vitD)

and your other nutrient count test too..

the issues of low energy(low blood low immune bad bones) is not always due to low insulin(vitD) it may be due to low other nutrients

again Vit D is not the active ingredient that makes immuno cells.
its just the transport medium of nutrients

if anyone is diabetic and took too much insulin. they will not feel like they have lots of energy
taking too much vitD will not make you feel like you are immortal to all ailments

take into consideration all nutrients and a balance diet.. and actually find out which nutrient you are deficient of

it seems too many are advertising a supplement but lack explaining its function or the need of a balanced diet.

milk (vitD+calcium) is a better recommendation than supplements

here is some examples of nutritional references for things like babies milk
VitD RI      0.0072mg (7.2mcg)
folate RI    0.127mg  (127mcg)
calcium RI 554mg     (554,000mcg)

as you can see the ratio of calcium:vitD is 76944:1
which shows how much more important calcium is

just keep in mind. vitD does not create immunocells. it just helps your body absorb other nutrients.. which after several steps the other nutrients create immuno cells

so find out what your body is actually deficient of

yes vegans drinking organic coconut milk thats not fortified are getting 7x less calcium than cow milk.
so if your bones are clicking or sore after exercise.maybe its your calcium you need to look into

if you have brittle nails pale skin. cold hands. maybe its your iron you need to look into

Most people, not all, most, in the first world do not have a problem with excess vitamin D, they are at a deficiency because they spend their time inside, inactive, and away from the sun. In fact, this is causing testosterone problems as well (people being inactive, bad diet, lack of exercise, cause low serum testosterone levels).

See vitamin D's important effect on the immune system - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3166406/

We aren't talking about an excessive amount of vitamin D, just an amount that is sufficient for normal levels. Again, how much sunlight do you expect the average person in the first world to get?

Simply running your own business selling products, and using freedom of speech to do it, is being outlawed. The FDA has been doing this for a long time. They don't call it what it really is, "eliminating competition," because that might limit their ability to do it. Rather, they are using illegal tactics with "dirty fighting" to force people to do what they want. If Mercola didn't stop voluntarily (since they can't get him legally) we would find him or members of his family "suicided."


Why I'm Removing All Articles Related to Vitamins D, C, Zinc and COVID-19

Hey franky1. I put you on ignore once and removed you just for the laughs. But since I intend this to be a serious thread I'll answer you:


Did you forget the second part of the sentence? I was talking about taking (in consideration) >30 ng/ml as an optimal level and wasn't talking referring to consuming.

I think a better range is >60 ng/ml (and up to 80 or even to 100 ng-ml).

And the other thing you say, yes of course different people can absorb vitamin D differently. Then the same person can absorb vitamin D differently, or create it if they sunbathe, depending on age or weight, for example.

badecker advertises yet another pharma product while pretending to be anti pharma

does he not even see the games his influencers are playing on him. he seems to be too much on auto-play to even have an independent thought or do independent research

^^^ Worried about getting enough V-D without getting it in the wrong place?

You can get your V-D from many places, even eating plants and animals. But the biggest place is on your skin, and in your eyes, through sunlight hitting them and converting 'stuff' into V-D.

Want more V-D without taking it into your gut where it might have some adverse effects? Simply break open a few capsules of V-D, and mix them with a small amount of DMSO, and rub them all over your skin. Get the V-D the way nature mostly intended... absorption into and through the skin. BEFORE YOU DO THIS ALL OVER YOUR SKIN, TEST ON A SMALL PATCH OF SKIN.

NOTE: Eyes are sensitive. Until studies have been done that show that DMSO is not dangerous for the eyes, don't use it in the eyes. However, there have been a few reports in the past - where people who wanted to cure their cataracts - combined extra-finely powdered n-acetyl-l-carnosine with DMSO (and other ingredients) and used them as eye-drops to remove cataracts. As far as I have understood, these 'studies' were anecdotal, but maybe, complete fabrications. If you use DMSO with or without V-D in the eyes, you do it at your own risk.

taking 30ng/ml
um no..
people dont take 30ng/ml

the 30ng/ml is the measure  inside their blood. not the measure of the supplement consumption

imagine it was taking 500ui
not everyone absorbs the entire 500ui through their gut. so even that is a factor of how much gets into the blood
next comes how much they are deficient.. of which means it then gets absorbed into the bone leaving less free vitd left in the blood.
or someone that is already vitd regulated and so bones dont absorb the new vitd meaning the majority just stays in the blood. or cant metabolise it into the bone so again stays in the blood

see its not that simple.
if your body already has sufficient vitd.
or
if your bones dont absorb vitD well
or
having efficient gut digestion...
.. can all cause a higher number too

vs
if your blood was deficient
or
bad gut absorbtion
or bone deficiency but effective absorbtion
.. can cause a low count

and in both scenarios. thats not going to tell if your immunity is low or high
because it still requires other enzymes nutrients to complete the requirement of making immuno cells

...
your body has a better chance of creating vitd through sunlight than through excessive suplement digestion.. why.. because if your gut receives too much. it triggers a signal to stop certain processes within your body.

its like the diabetic dilemma. if your body cant process sugars well. cant absorb them into cells.. adding more sugar is going to cause more harm.. yes your body needs more sugar in the cell.. but just ingesting more sugar causes more problems.. because you are not thinking about the other aspects involved with how things get into the cell

you dont treat a sugar absorbtion issue with more sugar