Topic: THE WALL OF SHAME - page 15. (Read 26507 times)

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Thank you for your 2 cents but it'd be helpful if you let everyone know why do you think the dev at Honorcoin is a scammer... I myself have put their code in my signature and registered for their wallet because I don't suspect any one and much less if they offer coins for free, but now I am, of course, quite interested. Also, to make more aesthetically pleasing the thread and easier to locate the accused scammers, please everyone BOL or color/bold the names/handles and their coin. Thanks!

Another one bites the dust:

Yadaminer, at CAIx coin. I had been researching the coin because it has had an enormous decline in price and my curiosity was piqued: It could be the end of it or a great investing opportunity. I researched their very confusing and complicated model and had a lot of questions and clarifications. Naturally, I posted them in their forum to get answers. I got some answers -not even close to all the answers- and the ones I got weren't even close to satisfactory. But judge for yourselves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=513613.new#new

Yadaminer earned his position here, as posted, for being an idiot and a coward. And posting insulting FUD to try to cover the obvious weakness of the coin and the model that, by the way, continues speeding down towards the precipice. I don't know if they are scammers or not, but some of them, at least this Yadaminer, acts like one. Because there's impunity. Not NO FUCKING MORE. If you cannot stand the heat get the fuck out of the kitchen!

There's only one reason to be anonymous. The same reason there is to censor your threads: They have something to hide. There's absolutely no other reason. And anonymity allos them total impunity, on one hand, and the opportunity to do it over and over again. That's why this thread exists.

This is the retard that, exposed as he is above, still continues dispelling falsehoods, including the absurdity that I am IconicExpert. Mind you, the only reason he does it, fully knowing it is not true, is to further his agenda with La Mano Nera at BC . But we all know by now quite clearly who is who and what are their motivations. Keep an eye on this guy (although I am pretty sure he has several handles): He is part of a well know and thoroughly researched scam. Be aware.

By the way I believe IconicExpert is indeed pushing CLOAK. At least in his Twitter account he is. Just to keep the perspective in what this imbecile is and what is his agenda.

oh-ooh, nice this thread, i ve just a couple of things to say. i m a newbie but i've already understood that here is the hell, full of fucking scammers! I really don't understand the reason to be anonymous... why? you earn BTC and after you go very soon to change it in fiat value. Don't say not, babies. So it means that if the government wants to say something about you, it's really easy, it is enough to see your banking account. So, why to be anonymous? This is an advantage only for scammers, for fucking scammers,babies, i tell you, don't forget it!
my two cents!

note: don't forget that fucking bastard of honorcoin's dev! Scammer!  eh eh I've never bought one

barabbas, aka IconicExpert should be at the top of the list. Don't trust this guy, before you fall for this scam check his post history and do your due diligence.
He has a confirmed at least 5 accounts of alts that he uses to promote his own ideas and to put down those he doesnt agree with.

Here is a list of his accomplishments.
1. He initiated a huge dump of BC and proceeded to blame the BC devs for it when they wouldnt support his event because they wanted to do one of their own. He started an entire smear campaign against BC and all of the people working to making it better.
2. He collected 13,000$ in donations for an event that he was planning involving women walking around on wall st passing out BC cards. The money STILL has not been returned a full month after the cancellation of said event.
3. He announced that he would be promoting XLB, but when the devs decided to do something that didnt agree with his plan, he accused them of dumps again just like he did with BC.
4. His alt accounts tried to start a logo contest for Cloak and when the dev found out who he/they were he pulled his support. So they initiated a smear campaign yet again.

This is the result of a butthurt loser being angry that noone will play with him anymore so he is spreading FUD to anyone who will listen.
It is in your best interests to move on and ignore anything these people say

This way of seeing things is, unfortunately, quite common in crypto. Among hackers, fraud, thievery and deception are not only NOT negatives but they give them bragging rights withing their community. This used to be only in the world of hackers but since many of them have become greedy developers of crypto, it has, evidently, splashed over. Problem is that hackers are prosecuted in the real world and punished quite harshly, because they are perceived as hurting big corporations, big money. No one cares for the individual small investor that is scammed here, left and right. That's why we are turning the tables on the crooks. The time of reckoning is here and they are going to find more and more difficult to keep on perpetrating their crimes. Hopefully, impunity will be dealt with too, in the near future for these people belong in prison and quite far away from any connection to the internet.

This is a good idea but not the main purpose of the thread. But lawyers demand evidence and precisely this thread is created because the anonymous condition of crypto, where everyone hides under several handles, allows for the crooks to perpetrate their crimes with total impunity, legal and otherwise. They are not required the mos elemental disclosures and to follow the most minimal of rules that allow any business to proceed in the real world. We are hereby taking the same, identical freedoms -sans the fraud part- to point them out as the scamers they are most often than not. No irrefutable evidence needed. The burden of proof is on THEM. And, yes,  it was about time. The free ride is OVER.

This is the equalizer, if you will. You don't need to be a master researcher. You don't need irrefutable evidence. As a matter of fact, you can post anything here and anyone can lie is so they choose, through their teeth: They do. All the time. In their schemes of deception and fraud. I believe that the stronger you make your case, the more valid your claim. Just listing some handles and some coins is not going to achieve much when those crooks perpetrate their next fraud. But is you make a strong case where a modus operandi can be identified and tracked, it will be much easier to identify who is behind which handle and which scheme. The ball then will be on their court to prove that, in fact, they are clean even it if they are following patterns that have been highly suspicious by others in the past. I repeat: The burden of proof is on their shoulders. It is in their interest to fight for their reputations. And those who choose not to do it, well, let them carry on with the consequences. Like I posted in the OP, it is our responsibility to clean crypto and eliminate the bad players; it is the responsibility and burden of the good players to clear their names or handles if they have been compromised.

The playing field is level now.

This thread can be useful to help consumer protection lawyers file claims against bad actors.  If you have been scammed, you want to create a record here of who scammed you (give as much info as you possibly can; make some calls and do some research to try to get names, addresses, IP addresses, etc), when and how and for how much you were scammed (bullet points that outline the facts of your case), and contact information where YOU (the victim) can be reached if some legal action arises in the future.

The statute of limitations is generally about seven (7) years, meaning that a victim has 7 years to file a suit over a claim in tort relating to these matters.  The law is obviously lagging behind the development of crypto, but within a few years we should see law firms getting active in this field, especially consumer protection law firms, and then if we do this right they could come back to this page and collect data for up to 7 years prior if they happen to be going after a perpetrator.  So dont just use this forum as a blacklist, but use it as a register of complaints in anticipation of potential future legal action and remedies into the far future.

The more detailed info people provide here, the more likely it is that lawyers will scan this thread to find ways to bring law suits and maximize the penalties they can claim against bad guys.  Law is a money game like anything else, and if we develop a rich resource (if we build it) they will come...

Let me get this straight ... your worldview informs you that if an activity "requires skills" and is "a task" then it is inherently morally defensible.

That's most illuminating, thank you for the insight.

Cheers

Graham

yeal ,the same features, they are shit people and shit coin,

What? Cloak too?

stackcoin
neon
levelcoin
asiacoin(pre community takeover)

+1
this thread is great.
Zip to the hell.

Good idea. I had the same one to point the scammers out. I am quite into alt-coins subforum and I can see new scams daily. I will be adding them to my own thread as well as here. For now, the worst in my opinion are:

1. Sharecoin
2. Cleanwatercoin

Great idea, especially number one. I would gladly, very gladly create a Wall of Honor that would very successful indeed as a start point for any newcomer to crypto. But I have an initial problem: Who to nominate? I am invested in various coins in which, for now, I haven't detected any semblance of fraud... but others have made some accusations, so... I tell you what: If the developers of a coin come forward and show proof that their coin is CLEAN, they will be immediately included in the Wall of Honor, fair deal?

I for one don't believe -or even appreciate- some great dev that creates a coin and doesn't generously benefit from it, so I am not looking for some ultra-generous saint, just someone who believes in his creation, sticks with it AND is generously rewarded. Under that concept, I would even consider clean some dev that instamine or premine 10% of the total coin for himself... as long as it is in the open, with accessible wallets so every investor can corroborate that they are not dumped or not dumped initially at least and not in quantities that will affect the price of the coin until, at least, it is well established (which means years, not hours).

I believe in volunteerism, so if a board is to be "elected", I'm fine with it. As for "obligations" that's much more difficult, but yes everyone, like now has happened, can and should bring forward their charges. Like I said in the OP: Charges are just that. Everyone is quite free to assign a value to those charges and, subsequently, corroborate them independently or not. I don't believe any "trust board" should do their work for them, beyond the red flag stage, but if others believe it is plausible and convenient, by all means proceed.

In response to "Vann", this, as thoroughly explained in the OP, is only a guide for newcomers and established investors alike. They are especially encouraged to do their own research, but we are not playing here by any rules of the "regular world". This is a wild wild west and the lawlessness of it has only benefited the crooks. Until now. It is time to level the playing field. If you -or anyone else for that matter- consider the allegations posted here as FUD, it is certainly your prerogative. Others, evidently, will find these posts quite useful. And for those who hide nothing and act fair, well not only they have nothing to fear but much to gain if they want to qualify for the WALL OF HONOR. Easy and simple, isn't it? Anyone charged with "baseless accusations", as you put it, is quite free to come here (where there will NEVER, EVER, be any censorship on my part) and debunk those accusations. It is really, really easy: They just have to offer proof that demonstrates that the accusations are in fact baseless. I don't know about you but if I am a developer that stand accused by anyone here, and I am clean, I will be more than happy to come up here and show proof that I am in fact clean. Nobody forces them to do it but it would certainly increase the confidence of holders of the coin and prospective investors, don't you think? And I (and some others here) believe they SHOULD do exactly that. ALL of them. As a norm.

Yeah, that 0.25 coins per Block seems a tad low. What's up With that.

Excellent initiative. Indeed it was high time for that. I strongly believe in the alternative of cryptocurrencies  as a fairer society system. And however, this ruin the status quo of the existing financial system,  it is normal this system to counteract with all forces and resources. Most easily it countered by imposing administrative regulations in the way of our detriment and to their advantage. If we manage to organize our self, our opponents will be much more difficult to deter our growth and success. In this regard, I think that this is an excellent, but not enough exercise, which should be a first step. Without claiming to detail, I can offer a few more steps in this direction:
1. Wall of Honor - where to publish the names of the worthy members of the community and the reasons for their choice.
2. Creating board confidence that under certain rules to choose proven community members.
3. Trust board has the right and obligation to examine each new coin and publish an opinion on it.
4. And the like.

Yes, too many coins too shameless, today there is a coin out of garbage, UniverseCoin (UNC), secretly dug 50W, each block only 0.25