The whales stirred. What should we expect? - page 4.

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Quote from: DrBeer on July 25, 2023, 05:45:14 AM

If we carefully read the information about the movement of assets on the whales' wallets, we will realize that these are not just moves, but moves specifically on the MARKETS. People transfer assets to exchanges for what? Right - to sell or buy for one asset, another asset. Therefore, I, with high probability and assume 2 options - sale and exit to fiat (perhaps something know) or a global change of the "leader of the crypto world", other options explaining the transfer of huge amounts of bitcoins and assume I can not assume. In this case, the option "they just transferred" - I do not consider, because it is absolutely allogical.

I agree that most of the time that could be the reason, there are few niche reasons like people just changing wallets, which they may do via an exchange because they do not want to be followed, and that makes sense fully, but I understand why people would think that it would be to do a move on the market.

However, nowadays there aren't really that much wild volatility that is going around enough to make selling or even buying make sense just yet. I understand when the market is moving hectically it could lead whales make moves, but when its this silent and just stagnating at one price, I do not think that whales have any reason to make big moves. They might, but it is not changing anything right now as we can see.

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If a large number of early investors are selling their coins, then it means that they are not feeling optimistic about the future of bitcoin. This may be due to a number of reasons. First of all we are witnessing increase in regulation from the governments. Also, the interest from institutional investors seems to be declining. Moreover, the prices have remained flat for the last few months. A lot of the old generation investors have decided that they need to sell at least a part of their coin holdings.

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Quote from: DrBeer on July 22, 2023, 02:04:55 AM

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Judging by the information coming in, a lot of ancient "crypto whale" wallets that have not created any movement with Bitcoin, for many years, have recently "come to life". Recently, assets have started to be transferred from these wallets to the exchanges. The withdrawal to the exchanges, kind of hints that these amounts are being withdrawn to sell Bitcoin.

In my estimation, these whales are clearly bitcoin investors who have been hoarding bitcoins for a long time, and maybe only now have they opened the wallet after all this time, to take advantage of the bitcoin assets they have. Because the bitcoin market will soon face a bull run and the whales, start sending their bitcoin assets to the exchange, in preparation for selling them when the bull market starts. Most likely, the reason the whales started moving, was probably because of that factor.

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The whales stirred. What should we expect?

What I hope is that I can take full advantage of the movement of the crypto market caused by these whales. Because usually, when the whales start moving, usually the crypto/bitcoin market movement will definitely soar up quickly. So it is at this time that we must be able to quickly take advantage of the rising market movement, by selling the rising crypto/bitcoin asset, quickly. Because if you don't hurry, I'm afraid the whales will sell their assets faster, and we will be left behind, because surely the market movement will go down again, when the whales have succeeded in selling all their crypto or bitcoin assets. So maybe at that time, we have to be ready and fast in selling our crypto assets (crypto assets that are on the rise).

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Quote from: Stedsm on July 26, 2023, 03:39:34 PM

My version would be:
They're taking out their profits just like every other investor out there, so I believe there's nothing wrong in doing that. If such movements are taking place, I think they'll most probably be done outside exchanges (through OTC dealings) in order to avoid hassle of paying taxes or trying not to get under the radar by getting caught in the eyes of governmental authorities. However, it could also be something like you said that they might be investing into something else (maybe dark coins like XMR or something else I don't know) and so they're moving out their coins in order to increase their wealth through other ways, who knows!

i believe, we should not overthink on this. for all we know, they are just selling their btc because they want it and they need fiat money. we are only speculating here for reasons that we have no control of.
so instead of getting a headache thinking why they are selling their stash, much better if you will take care of your own business and find ways how to improve your portfolio.

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Quote from: DrBeer on July 22, 2023, 02:04:55 AM

The whales stirred. What should we expect?

Judging by the information coming in, a lot of ancient "crypto whale" wallets that have not created any movement with Bitcoin, for many years, have recently "come to life". Recently, assets have started to be transferred from these wallets to the exchanges. The withdrawal to the exchanges, kind of hints that these amounts are being withdrawn to sell Bitcoin. Question to the esteemed public ! What is this ?
- the end of the short era of cryptocurrencies ? Owners are actively moving into fiat
- the end of the Bitcoin era ? Are they selling it to change cryptoasset for storage ? And what is this crypto asset?
- regulators have "gotten their way", cryptocurrency is losing support and interest ?
- your version ?

Could be that they know something that we don't know, you never can tell you know. If you have large chunk of BTC stored somewhere you invested some years back and have gained 6000x from when the price was around $4.3, they will always have Intels the public don't have because, look at again, why sell now instead of selling when the price was around $50k when they would have made more millions of dollars instead of selling them now and they could have also waited for the new coming bull run, it will so easy to exit the market without causing much drama, I still think they may no something we don't have at hand.

Looking at it from another angle. What if the owner of the coin has health issues and tried to use his investment for treatment, what if the person is giving up soon and want to have his money donated to charity, what if the person suddenly become broke and then sell to recover his normal life, these are the questions that prompted from your questions. Whatever the reasons of the owner are, I hope it favour bitcoin market.

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My version would be:
They're taking out their profits just like every other investor out there, so I believe there's nothing wrong in doing that. If such movements are taking place, I think they'll most probably be done outside exchanges (through OTC dealings) in order to avoid hassle of paying taxes or trying not to get under the radar by getting caught in the eyes of governmental authorities. However, it could also be something like you said that they might be investing into something else (maybe dark coins like XMR or something else I don't know) and so they're moving out their coins in order to increase their wealth through other ways, who knows!

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Quote from: DrBeer on July 26, 2023, 04:15:56 AM

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Quote from: DrBeer on July 22, 2023, 02:04:55 AM

The whales stirred. What should we expect?

Judging by the information coming in, a lot of ancient "crypto whale" wallets that have not created any movement with Bitcoin, for many years, have recently "come to life". Recently, assets have started to be transferred from these wallets to the exchanges. The withdrawal to the exchanges, kind of hints that these amounts are being withdrawn to sell Bitcoin. Question to the esteemed public ! What is this ?
- the end of the short era of cryptocurrencies ? Owners are actively moving into fiat
- the end of the Bitcoin era ? Are they selling it to change cryptoasset for storage ? And what is this crypto asset?
- regulators have "gotten their way", cryptocurrency is losing support and interest ?
- your version ?

That's BS. It's clear as day that you're spreading FUD here. And it's also clear that's not just for fun or because you really think so. You are being guided by someone. So, Mr. Sockpuppet, I think I know who your owners are (judging by some other stuff you post here).

Perfect timing btw, you were waiting for a minor price setback to spread your FUD. Noobs are selling like crazy atm.

That's my version. Cool

Considering your past posts on many topics, expecting anything intelligent from you is very silly Grin

And as is your custom - you try to put your fantasies into someone else's mouth, and then pass them off as the words of your opponent, and use them to make "accusations". Or you just have a very scattered attention span .... Or just a habit of constantly lying and trying to manipulate information... Or all of the above

The reason for the post is that at the time it was published, whale wallets were suddenly activated and made large transactions to exchange wallets. I understand - the truth is very uncomfortable for you, but it is a fact - the post is about the sudden and massive movement of bitcoin from whale wallets to the exchange, and the rest is your fantasy

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Maybe you can refute the fact of movement of funds from whale wallets to the exchange ?

No, you really ARE retarded. I'm not going to refute the fact the coins have moved. Because it's a fact. Unlike your apocalyptic hypotheses of crypto or BTC going to zero.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on July 26, 2023, 08:20:53 AM

Currently, there's no assurance that the whales make a move right now of course who wants to make public with the movement they want so surly there's market manipulation currently there are a lot of sleeping wallets right now, and no idea if those wallets address are already forgotten or not or just waiting for the all-time high again to take profit. Reason why people are scared of that wallet is because if the whales want to sell their bitcoin surely those holders were getting FOMO and cause of the market crash but if you are an investor this could be a good opportunity to you. For me its not ideal to check the wallets of this whales every time this just a waste of time better to focus on your trades and investment, its part of the volatility.

I partially agree with you. But every action has a reason. And for what purpose at one moment "wallets came to life", and the funds frozen on them suddenly moved to the exchanges - this is a question ? The variant of global manipulation being prepared is also quite realistic. That is why it is interesting to hear the opinion of the honorable audience of the forum, what assumptions can be ?

Quote from: kryptqnick on July 26, 2023, 07:07:29 AM

If there are some wallets that have a lot of BTC in them that hasn't been moved for a while, it doesn't mean that these wallets belong to some rich investors. These can be wallets of exchanges, crypto casinos etc, holding most of the money of their customers. Also, if there's a transaction, it doesn't mean that BTC is being sold (it's just one possibility). Moreover, if 'a whale' wants to sell BTC, I think it will probably be done via an OTC deal, which won't really affect the market much. Dumping a big amount of coins onto an exchange and trying to fill a huge order is just harder, likely to attract attention and cause unnecessary issues.
So to me, this doesn't mean anything, and I don't expect any effect on the market.

It's not out of the question. But the question is why do you need to withdraw to the exchange if you are not going to sell or exchange such volumes of bitcoin? Provided that to store it on the exchange, which is subject to quite a powerful pressure ?
In short - consider all options and ideas

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Quote from: Afnan_faizah on July 26, 2023, 05:45:51 AM

I think people will not sell btc only for fiat, it is not so smart decision. it is better to save bitcoin rather than fiat.

If you are in need of money for everyday needs and emergencies, there is nothing wrong with selling your bitcoins. Furthermore, bitcoin is an investment, it is not a stable asset that can be called savings. if your asset is bitcoin which means you are investing, and it can give you profit but also make you loss. in my opinion it would be more stupid if you put all your money in bitcoin without any savings.

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Quote from: so98nn on July 22, 2023, 07:28:21 AM

That seems really far fetched assumptions about the Bitcoin. Though you have not provided any source regarding the movement of such Bitcoin assets or older wallets are getting touched. Let us assume that this is a hypothetical situation where all the whales are touching their wallets for some reason then it could be anything from getting ready for the next halving or it could be just they are getting their funds transferred securely to another wallet. It could be just refresher movement and nothing much. It doesn’t mean we have to get so much worried about it. Just keep calm and keep our Bitcoins hang tight.

Of all the possible reasons why the whales may be making these movements the one i consider most reasonable would be this:

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from preparing for the next halving or simply transferring your funds safely to another wallet

These large investors who managed to accumulate huge amounts of bitcoin may be taking their forecasts to make their next move at the moment the long-awaited halving occurs, but to do so they must have their current assets safely, since both time keeping those bitcoin in a single wallet may be causing them insecurity, who knows, maybe they noticed something strange that could affect their capital, and for this reason they seek to protect their assets in another that gives them the same confidence that once gave them the that they previously used. For me, this would be the most accurate assumption, because...it really doesn't make sense that they want to switch to Fiat from one moment to the next, with the hope that bitcoin will move upward at any moment, but, anyway, you should have more information to know for sure what is happening.

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Quote from: DrBeer on July 22, 2023, 02:04:55 AM

The whales stirred. What should we expect?

Judging by the information coming in, a lot of ancient "crypto whale" wallets that have not created any movement with Bitcoin, for many years, have recently "come to life". Recently, assets have started to be transferred from these wallets to the exchanges. The withdrawal to the exchanges, kind of hints that these amounts are being withdrawn to sell Bitcoin. Question to the esteemed public ! What is this ?
- the end of the short era of cryptocurrencies ? Owners are actively moving into fiat
- the end of the Bitcoin era ? Are they selling it to change cryptoasset for storage ? And what is this crypto asset?
- regulators have "gotten their way", cryptocurrency is losing support and interest ?
- your version ?

Currently, there's no assurance that the whales make a move right now of course who wants to make public with the movement they want so surly there's market manipulation currently there are a lot of sleeping wallets right now, and no idea if those wallets address are already forgotten or not or just waiting for the all-time high again to take profit. Reason why people are scared of that wallet is because if the whales want to sell their bitcoin surely those holders were getting FOMO and cause of the market crash but if you are an investor this could be a good opportunity to you. For me its not ideal to check the wallets of this whales every time this just a waste of time better to focus on your trades and investment, its part of the volatility.

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Quote from: DrBeer on July 22, 2023, 02:04:55 AM

The whales stirred. What should we expect?

Judging by the information coming in, a lot of ancient "crypto whale" wallets that have not created any movement with Bitcoin, for many years, have recently "come to life". Recently, assets have started to be transferred from these wallets to the exchanges. The withdrawal to the exchanges, kind of hints that these amounts are being withdrawn to sell Bitcoin. Question to the esteemed public ! What is this ?
- the end of the short era of cryptocurrencies ? Owners are actively moving into fiat
- the end of the Bitcoin era ? Are they selling it to change cryptoasset for storage ? And what is this crypto asset?
- regulators have "gotten their way", cryptocurrency is losing support and interest ?
- your version ?

If there are some wallets that have a lot of BTC in them that hasn't been moved for a while, it doesn't mean that these wallets belong to some rich investors. These can be wallets of exchanges, crypto casinos etc, holding most of the money of their customers. Also, if there's a transaction, it doesn't mean that BTC is being sold (it's just one possibility). Moreover, if 'a whale' wants to sell BTC, I think it will probably be done via an OTC deal, which won't really affect the market much. Dumping a big amount of coins onto an exchange and trying to fill a huge order is just harder, likely to attract attention and cause unnecessary issues.
So to me, this doesn't mean anything, and I don't expect any effect on the market.

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All people wants profit, some people like me will sell bitcoin at highest price then buy bitcoin again at lower price. it is normal, also it is a good sign which means bitcoin price will rise soon thats why they are preparing for that. the number of bitcoin adoption is still growing, there are more people who use cryptocurrency for their transaction. I think people will not sell btc only for fiat, it is not so smart decision. it is better to save bitcoin rather than fiat. maybe those whales want to invest in some business, who know?.

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Quote from: dothebeats on July 22, 2023, 03:12:19 AM

Quote from: DrBeer on July 22, 2023, 02:04:55 AM

The whales stirred. What should we expect?

Judging by the information coming in, a lot of ancient "crypto whale" wallets that have not created any movement with Bitcoin, for many years, have recently "come to life". Recently, assets have started to be transferred from these wallets to the exchanges. The withdrawal to the exchanges, kind of hints that these amounts are being withdrawn to sell Bitcoin. Question to the esteemed public ! What is this ?
- the end of the short era of cryptocurrencies ? Owners are actively moving into fiat
- the end of the Bitcoin era ? Are they selling it to change cryptoasset for storage ? And what is this crypto asset?
- regulators have "gotten their way", cryptocurrency is losing support and interest ?
- your version ?

No, I don't think it will end the bitcoin era and cryptocurrencies era but rather shift the money towards asset class like stocks, pressure metals and real estate. If you're here long enough you'll notice that this kind of stuff happens regularly so it shouldn't be much of a concern.

Yes, no need to worry. These types of wallets come into action in every period. No one knows for what purpose these wallets act. Only after doing something can we have an idea.

For Bitcoin, this is not a negative situation. This has happened many times before. Meanwhile, people are talking about 25k and saying that the price will drop, but everyone is guessing, no one knows what will actually happen.

In such cases, I think the price of bitcoin will drop a little. But this happens all the time, so it's nothing to worry about.

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Quote from: serveria.com on July 25, 2023, 05:20:38 PM

Quote from: DrBeer on July 22, 2023, 02:04:55 AM

The whales stirred. What should we expect?

Judging by the information coming in, a lot of ancient "crypto whale" wallets that have not created any movement with Bitcoin, for many years, have recently "come to life". Recently, assets have started to be transferred from these wallets to the exchanges. The withdrawal to the exchanges, kind of hints that these amounts are being withdrawn to sell Bitcoin. Question to the esteemed public ! What is this ?
- the end of the short era of cryptocurrencies ? Owners are actively moving into fiat
- the end of the Bitcoin era ? Are they selling it to change cryptoasset for storage ? And what is this crypto asset?
- regulators have "gotten their way", cryptocurrency is losing support and interest ?
- your version ?

That's BS. It's clear as day that you're spreading FUD here. And it's also clear that's not just for fun or because you really think so. You are being guided by someone. So, Mr. Sockpuppet, I think I know who your owners are (judging by some other stuff you post here).

Perfect timing btw, you were waiting for a minor price setback to spread your FUD. Noobs are selling like crazy atm.

That's my version. Cool

Considering your past posts on many topics, expecting anything intelligent from you is very silly Grin

And as is your custom - you try to put your fantasies into someone else's mouth, and then pass them off as the words of your opponent, and use them to make "accusations". Or you just have a very scattered attention span .... Or just a habit of constantly lying and trying to manipulate information... Or all of the above

The reason for the post is that at the time it was published, whale wallets were suddenly activated and made large transactions to exchange wallets. I understand - the truth is very uncomfortable for you, but it is a fact - the post is about the sudden and massive movement of bitcoin from whale wallets to the exchange, and the rest is your fantasy

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Maybe you can refute the fact of movement of funds from whale wallets to the exchange ?

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Quote from: Oasisman on July 26, 2023, 12:39:25 AM

Definitely not the end of anything for bitcoin and nope I don't think these whales are moving to fiat, especially now that bitcoin and other top alts are gaining momentum, as it is gradually increasing in value every year. So, nope!
Even if these whales are massively selling their bitcoin, as long as their are buyers, bitcoin will not gonna end nor bring it's value to zero. Basic supply and demand. But then again, nope they are not actually selling, I'm kind of positive of that - they're just simply moving.
Regulators? nope, they are targeting exchange. Whales has it's way to conceal all their crypto asset. They can do it with fiat, how much more in crypto?
Basically, I dont think these whales are dumb enough to leave bitcoin at this level. We all know bitcoin has yet to reach even at the middle of it's full capacity based on the global adoption. Bitcoin staying at the 29k-30k as the lowest point is like telling us what's ahead.

I agree, you do not get to become a whale by leaving before the party even starts, the bull market is coming and more than anyone they should know this as we are talking about whales which have been around for a long time, why sell now? At most I think this is some kind of maneuver to manipulate the market to their convenience, so it is possible they are making those movements knowing some people may panic and the price of bitcoin could go down, and then they could take advantage of it.

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Quote from: landheer on July 26, 2023, 12:03:49 AM

I think things like this are normal because I think what the whales might do is a strategy so they can buy more btc from the bottom price, so in my opinion in this case we shouldn't panic.
and in my opinion if people sell a lot of btc that is their right, but in my opinion now is not the right time to sell btc because the market can still be called a bear market or you can call it now the market is in recovery, because the right time to sell is when the market is bull.

I don't think this is the end of crypto.

It's true that whales can use certain strategies to buy more Bitcoin at a lower price, and it's everyone's right to sell Bitcoin, but the current market situation needs to be considered before making a selling decision.

Crypto price movements are very volatile and prices can change quickly, therefore making all possibilities possible to happen, so those of us who have known this and have known Bitcoin for a longer time might be wise in reacting to it.
I also never thought that this was the end of crypto, what happened was very natural.

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Quote from: DrBeer on July 22, 2023, 02:04:55 AM

The whales stirred. What should we expect?

Judging by the information coming in, a lot of ancient "crypto whale" wallets that have not created any movement with Bitcoin, for many years, have recently "come to life". Recently, assets have started to be transferred from these wallets to the exchanges. The withdrawal to the exchanges, kind of hints that these amounts are being withdrawn to sell Bitcoin. Question to the esteemed public ! What is this ?
- the end of the short era of cryptocurrencies ? Owners are actively moving into fiat
- the end of the Bitcoin era ? Are they selling it to change cryptoasset for storage ? And what is this crypto asset?
- regulators have "gotten their way", cryptocurrency is losing support and interest ?
- your version ?

Definitely not the end of anything for bitcoin and nope I don't think these whales are moving to fiat, especially now that bitcoin and other top alts are gaining momentum, as it is gradually increasing in value every year. So, nope!
Even if these whales are massively selling their bitcoin, as long as their are buyers, bitcoin will not gonna end nor bring it's value to zero. Basic supply and demand. But then again, nope they are not actually selling, I'm kind of positive of that - they're just simply moving.
Regulators? nope, they are targeting exchange. Whales has it's way to conceal all their crypto asset. They can do it with fiat, how much more in crypto?
Basically, I dont think these whales are dumb enough to leave bitcoin at this level. We all know bitcoin has yet to reach even at the middle of it's full capacity based on the global adoption. Bitcoin staying at the 29k-30k as the lowest point is like telling us what's ahead.

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I think things like this are normal because I think what the whales might do is a strategy so they can buy more btc from the bottom price, so in my opinion in this case we shouldn't panic.
and in my opinion if people sell a lot of btc that is their right, but in my opinion now is not the right time to sell btc because the market can still be called a bear market or you can call it now the market is in recovery, because the right time to sell is when the market is bull.

I don't think this is the end of crypto.

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Quote from: DrBeer on July 22, 2023, 02:04:55 AM

The whales stirred. What should we expect?

Judging by the information coming in, a lot of ancient "crypto whale" wallets that have not created any movement with Bitcoin, for many years, have recently "come to life". Recently, assets have started to be transferred from these wallets to the exchanges. The withdrawal to the exchanges, kind of hints that these amounts are being withdrawn to sell Bitcoin. Question to the esteemed public ! What is this ?
- the end of the short era of cryptocurrencies ? Owners are actively moving into fiat
- the end of the Bitcoin era ? Are they selling it to change cryptoasset for storage ? And what is this crypto asset?
- regulators have "gotten their way", cryptocurrency is losing support and interest ?
- your version ?

That's BS. It's clear as day that you're spreading FUD here. And it's also clear that's not just for fun or because you really think so. You are being guided by someone. So, Mr. Sockpuppet, I think I know who your owners are (judging by some other stuff you post here).

Perfect timing btw, you were waiting for a minor price setback to spread your FUD. Noobs are selling like crazy atm.

That's my version. Cool

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