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Topic: theft/scamming way more profitable (and riskless) than legal businness (Read 5760 times)

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Not only should you steal as much as possible you should setup a passthrough to draw in more funds to invest in your scamming.

this seems to be a much better idea Wink
now i just need something with a high return which guarantees me it stays for more than a year (otherwise it is not worth the effort to build up a passthrough)

...just kidding...

Passing bad checks is a good business model  Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1000
Not only should you steal as much as possible you should setup a passthrough to draw in more funds to invest in your scamming.

this seems to be a much better idea Wink
now i just need something with a high return which guarantees me it stays for more than a year (otherwise it is not worth the effort to build up a passthrough)

...just kidding...
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
Not only should you steal as much as possible you should setup a passthrough to draw in more funds to invest in your scamming.
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1000
what a shame...

as a friend and me decided to offer a new bitcoin service: should we steal the coins?

seems to be more profitable: and i am not able to see any risks.

(btw: no we won't do that. we'll just make sure its impossible to steal us a huge amount. but damn morality... if you would shut up i'll be rich!)

Do it.  Half of the people you scam here will actively defend you long after the fact.

no, never
i want to feel comfortable. and scamming other people does not make me happy...
^^ this is much more worth than money (esp. if i think about my cute baby)

edit: lucky -> happy
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what a shame...

as a friend and me decided to offer a new bitcoin service: should we steal the coins?

seems to be more profitable: and i am not able to see any risks.

(btw: no we won't do that. we'll just make sure its impossible to steal us a huge amount. but damn morality... if you would shut up i'll be rich!)

Do it.  Half of the people you scam here will actively defend you long after the fact.
legendary
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Marketing manager - GO MP
Escrow, aka "reversible transactions."

Nope the transaction doesn't take place until the escrow agrees, there is no balance transferred. Your ignorance baffles me.
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Escrow, aka "reversible transactions."
legendary
Activity: 1666
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Marketing manager - GO MP
I think the thing we got to ask ourselves is what can be done on the technical side and if such changes can be patched in with the consensus of the developers. There are plenty of solutions already proposed with minimal storage requirements and full compatibility, like the third party signed transactions proposal.

We should not get to the point where the fear of change by existing investors hinders innovation.

So... you're asking for reversible bitcoin transactions?

Have you read the proposal? It's not reversible transactions but escrow built into the blokchain without additional counterparty risk.
We could have that right now for just a one or two additional values stored per transaction.
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Because you sound like Matthew to me.



Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm not in Korea taking lascivious pictures of schoolgirls.  I also have better grammar. Wink

Well, maybe I'm wrong but that's exactly how I would have expected Matt to respond. Even that's ok I guess. Someone needs to fill the master troll shoes eventually to keep this place lively. I just wish Matt would return as himself and keep answering these butthurt scam-targets, at least until the new fall TV season really takes off. ROTFL

Yeah... Breaking Bad is on hiatus. Damn.

I think the thing we got to ask ourselves is what can be done on the technical side and if such changes can be patched in with the consensus of the developers. There are plenty of solutions already proposed with minimal storage requirements and full compatibility, like the third party signed transactions proposal.

We should not get to the point where the fear of change by existing investors hinders innovation.

So... you're asking for reversible bitcoin transactions?
hero member
Activity: 952
Merit: 1009
internet wild wild west....

In a basement, not a mansion,
suff'ring heatstroke from his mine
Dwelt a miner two thousand niner,
And his daughter Clementine
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1491
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
internet wild wild west....
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1057
Marketing manager - GO MP
I think the thing we got to ask ourselves is what can be done on the technical side and if such changes can be patched in with the consensus of the developers. There are plenty of solutions already proposed with minimal storage requirements and full compatibility, like the third party signed transactions proposal.

We should not get to the point where the fear of change by existing investors hinders innovation.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
I think that if someone loses lots of coins to a hack that they had no business keeping in a hotwallet, there ought to be an outright PRESUMPTION of an inside job.

I keep seeing thread titles, "How come exchanges haven't learned their lesson with cold storage?"  The answer is, of course they have, they just stole the coins and are trying to milk that excuse as long as they can while people are still apparently willing to believe it.


AND, inside job or not, they need to be held accountable for every coin lost, 100%.
vip
Activity: 1386
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The Casascius 1oz 10BTC Silver Round (w/ Gold B)
I think that if someone loses lots of coins to a hack that they had no business keeping in a hotwallet, there ought to be an outright PRESUMPTION of an inside job.

I keep seeing thread titles, "How come exchanges haven't learned their lesson with cold storage?"  The answer is, of course they have, they just stole the coins and are trying to milk that excuse as long as they can while people are still apparently willing to believe it.
member
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Because you sound like Matthew to me.



Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm not in Korea taking lascivious pictures of schoolgirls.  I also have better grammar. Wink
member
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Gareth's probably right on Fraud, but the most valuable thing you lose is credibility. Even when everyone is anonymous, you don't poo where you eat so to speak.

What do you mean?  How do you have accountability or credibility with complete anonymity?  I'm sorry but bitcoin history does not agree with your assertion - nckrazze started a PPT and lied about it being a PPT with only two week's investment in the forums.

How many accounts has Atlas had, again?

Who the fuck are you really? That's an awful lot of correct old specific knowledge for someone with 17 posts. Let me guess, you have been lurking for 2 1/2 years and finally decided to start posting.  LOL
Lurking but not for two and a half years.  God no.  My day job kept me far too busy to actively participate so I've been a spectator till now.  Besides, if the references are true and the points are the same, why does it matter who I am in an anonymous internet forum around an anonymous crypto-currency?  Huh?
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
Gareth's probably right on Fraud, but the most valuable thing you lose is credibility. Even when everyone is anonymous, you don't poo where you eat so to speak.

What do you mean?  How do you have accountability or credibility with complete anonymity?  I'm sorry but bitcoin history does not agree with your assertion - nckrazze started a PPT and lied about it being a PPT with only two week's investment in the forums.

How many accounts has Atlas had, again?

By not being completely anonymous - giving large sums of money to people who are completely anonymous is a bad idea, even if you have the technology to do so.

Okay, so people have confirmed (in their minds, and I agree) that pirate is "Trendon Shavers".  What now?
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1016
Strength in numbers
This is exactly why people look at bitcoin as a scam. Con artist roam free and their victims run around supporting them, shouting down reasonable discourse with a chorus of "troll".

Even now, obvious scams are operating openly, right on the heels of the pirate fiasco, and very few people are speaking out against it (unsurprisingly,many more are actively supporting the scammers)

Its sad.

I think I need another forum break.

That's not really true. People who don't/didn't understand it thought it was a scam back before there was a single theft (that I can recall, certainly nothing in the news).

New thing that I don't get that has to do with money = scam to a lot of people.

Obv doesn't help that people now hear about scams done using it, but most of the people who can't think straight enough to tell the difference between a hammer and a murder didn't/wouldn't have gotten it in the first place.

There is a huge block of people who need big incentive to change anything, maybe you are hearing a few of them giving an excuse. Later if/when it can really help them it doesn't actually matter that a guy named ********* promised **************** and didn't deliver.
hero member
Activity: 721
Merit: 503
Gareth's probably right on Fraud, but the most valuable thing you lose is credibility. Even when everyone is anonymous, you don't poo where you eat so to speak.

What do you mean?  How do you have accountability or credibility with complete anonymity?  I'm sorry but bitcoin history does not agree with your assertion - nckrazze started a PPT and lied about it being a PPT with only two week's investment in the forums.

How many accounts has Atlas had, again?

By not being completely anonymous - giving large sums of money to people who are completely anonymous is a bad idea, even if you have the technology to do so.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
Gareth's probably right on Fraud, but the most valuable thing you lose is credibility. Even when everyone is anonymous, you don't poo where you eat so to speak.

What do you mean?  How do you have accountability or credibility with complete anonymity?  I'm sorry but bitcoin history does not agree with your assertion - nckrazze started a PPT and lied about it being a PPT with only two week's investment in the forums.

How many accounts has Atlas had, again?
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