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legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1026
In Cryptocoins I Trust
March 29, 2013, 05:22:16 AM
Entropy. You are a moron. Yes, they missed the power targets so far, but they are shipping, and the asics work.

God you are a troll.
Ahahaha LOL

Suure, now they're shipping..

No, now they said they're gonna ship next week.

I think they've said that about 10 times at least.
hero member
Activity: 1162
Merit: 500
March 29, 2013, 05:21:10 AM
Worst case power consumption is now apparently 195w for a single SC. More than 3x advertised. Do these people ever tell the truth? Undecided

Scarier still is that Josh's worst case estimates often turn out to be the nearer to best case.

I wouldn't wanna be a batch #1 customers. Don't wanna be a guinea pig.

195W for such a tiny case, such a tiny heatsink and such a tiny fan - how is that supposed to work?

195W is about the same amount of power a 7970s uses - and they have huge heat sinks.

sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
March 29, 2013, 05:06:29 AM
Worst case power consumption is now apparently 195w for a single SC. More than 3x advertised. Do these people ever tell the truth? Undecided

Scarier still is that Josh's worst case estimates often turn out to be the nearer to best case.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
March 29, 2013, 04:55:21 AM
Entropy. You are a moron. Yes, they missed the power targets so far, but they are shipping, and the asics work.

God you are a troll.
Ahahaha LOL

Suure, now they're shipping..
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1473
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
March 29, 2013, 02:52:56 AM
If any of you BFL fan boys haven't already notice....BFL is in the stage of stringing their investors along (like is done in a ponzi scheme)...they are hoping more investor money comes in so they can pay off the previous investors and their "orders". If no new investor money comes in (more than previous batch) it all falls apart.

this wholeBFL ordeal stinks of the Pirateat40 drama.

Stock up on your popcorn, I have an inkling before the end of 2013 drama fireworks will be flying very near BFL.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
March 29, 2013, 01:47:48 AM
They're not serious about shipping till they request FPGA trade-in customers send their gear in, and as far as I know that hasn't happened yet.

Talk is cheap.
full member
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Love the Bitcoin.
March 29, 2013, 01:35:55 AM
Entropy. You are a moron. Yes, they missed the power targets so far, but they are shipping, and the asics work.

God you are a troll.

Wow, are you a sheep! BFL is shipping? When, next week? Yes, I have heard this several times before = bullshit to buy more time.

Nobody will see a BFL ASIC in the month of April -  mark my words.
hero member
Activity: 1484
Merit: 500
Across The Universe
March 29, 2013, 01:29:48 AM
Mid of April we will know more !

BFL's FPGA need 6.5 month too if you remember
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 1001
March 29, 2013, 01:20:32 AM
Entropy. You are a moron. Yes, they missed the power targets so far, but they are shipping, and the asics work.

God you are a troll.

Shipping?  Really?  Do you have one?  What's your tracking number?

Call me when you can order from them and get a tracking number the same day.

BTW:  Do you understand that the power miss they are talking about probably means they cannot use the board design they have shown because the power density will be too high to cool properly?  It's not a small issue.  There is a reason Avalon boards have their chips so widely separated.

Where are those Avalon same day tracking #'s for batch 3 orders,hhmmmm,or even batch 2 orders,hhmmmmm,let me see,hhmmmmm  Cheesy

Yeah,yeah,at least they shipped,I know the drill  Cheesy
sr. member
Activity: 434
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March 29, 2013, 01:15:28 AM

How did the production projection go down from 500 a day to 300 units per day?


Regarding whether we are a scam or not, the several thousand shipped units can speak for itself. We've used the experience gained in mass production
of our singles in our SC production cycle (we've got a MyData Pick-And-Place and an Oven for high-speed and high-volume inhouse assembly). Someone
mentioned the backlog is already 5,000. On a production speed of 500 units a day for instance, 5,000 will only take 10 days. We've already prepared the
infratructue for very high volume production, since the great portion of the orders will come in after the SC is released to the public. 5,000 units is not much
compared to orders we expect to receive after SC release, so we're very ready for it.


I hope this message has addressed some of your questions.


Regards,
Nasser



What is Nasser's full name?

LOL.  He is calling the gear Kano photographed "high-speed and high-volume inhouse assembly".  LMAO.  

Notice he carefully he says nothing.

"Someone mentioned the backlog is already 5,000"  - he isn't saying what the backlog actually is, he's just citing 'someone'.  Maybe it's 50,000.  He doesn't commit himself to anything.  Probably they don't even know since their order system is such a disaster.

"On a production speed of 500 units a day for instance, 5,000 will only take 10 days. We've already prepared the
infratructue for very high volume production, since the great portion of the orders will come in after the SC is released to the public."


Again, notice that 500 / day is a for instance, not a statement of what they can do.

These guys are so full of crap.  Tomorrow they are going to desperately try to stem the tide of refund requests before they go bankrupt.  I suggest anyone who can think for themselves consider if they want to try to get their money back before or after insolvency.

They pull those word games constantly and it's very disturbing. To someone casually reading the statement "We've scheduled shipments for October" it appears to read "We will ship in October", but it doesn't mean the same thing. Their statements are similar to those you get from banksters, they're inefficiently worded and it's done intentionally so that the statements mean nothing.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 501
March 29, 2013, 12:03:24 AM
Entropy. You are a moron. Yes, they missed the power targets so far, but they are shipping, and the asics work.

God you are a troll.

Shipping?  Really?  Do you have one?  What's your tracking number?

Call me when you can order from them and get a tracking number the same day.

BTW:  Do you understand that the power miss they are talking about probably means they cannot use the board design they have shown because the power density will be too high to cool properly?  It's not a small issue.  There is a reason Avalon boards have their chips so widely separated.
member
Activity: 60
Merit: 10
March 28, 2013, 11:57:47 PM
Entropy. You are a moron. Yes, they missed the power targets so far, but they are shipping, and the asics work.

God you are a troll.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 501
March 28, 2013, 11:33:21 PM
#99

How did the production projection go down from 500 a day to 300 units per day?


Regarding whether we are a scam or not, the several thousand shipped units can speak for itself. We've used the experience gained in mass production
of our singles in our SC production cycle (we've got a MyData Pick-And-Place and an Oven for high-speed and high-volume inhouse assembly). Someone
mentioned the backlog is already 5,000. On a production speed of 500 units a day for instance, 5,000 will only take 10 days. We've already prepared the
infratructue for very high volume production, since the great portion of the orders will come in after the SC is released to the public. 5,000 units is not much
compared to orders we expect to receive after SC release, so we're very ready for it.


I hope this message has addressed some of your questions.


Regards,
Nasser



What is Nasser's full name?

LOL.  He is calling the gear Kano photographed "high-speed and high-volume inhouse assembly".  LMAO.  

Notice he carefully he says nothing.

"Someone mentioned the backlog is already 5,000"  - he isn't saying what the backlog actually is, he's just citing 'someone'.  Maybe it's 50,000.  He doesn't commit himself to anything.  Probably they don't even know since their order system is such a disaster.

"On a production speed of 500 units a day for instance, 5,000 will only take 10 days. We've already prepared the
infratructue for very high volume production, since the great portion of the orders will come in after the SC is released to the public."


Again, notice that 500 / day is a for instance, not a statement of what they can do.

These guys are so full of crap.  Tomorrow they are going to desperately try to stem the tide of refund requests before they go bankrupt.  I suggest anyone who can think for themselves consider if they want to try to get their money back before or after insolvency.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
March 28, 2013, 01:07:20 PM
#98
lmftfy:

Quote from: BFL_Josh
"The process to bring a brand new ASIC to life is not as simple as turning it on. The fact that some people BFL thinks it is, is an indicator that they have never actually done so. There is a lot of testing, poking, prodding and debugging that needs to happen to get a chip up and running and if someone BFL tells you differently, they are incorrect, plain and simple."
BFL Update 03-25-2013

And this is exactly the explanation why BFL is so bloody late (and will possibly never have a working product): They are just some cowboys that managed to get the funding done (venture capital, pre order money), outsourced everything and naively took the best case scenarios from their subcontractors for their estimates.

If there is any naivety to what BFL is doing then it must be a pretty deliberate and consistent form of naivety.

How did the production projection go down from 500 a day to 300 units per day?


Well, they got some realistic prognoses from Avalon so they had to tone their figures down a bit.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
March 28, 2013, 01:04:54 PM
#97
If there is any naivety to what BFL is doing then it must be a pretty deliberate and consistent form of naivety.

Albert Einstein: "Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results."  Wink

I do not trust BFL to know how to be properly insane tho..
Being deceitfull is just so much easier.
hero member
Activity: 1162
Merit: 500
March 28, 2013, 12:25:10 PM
#96
If there is any naivety to what BFL is doing then it must be a pretty deliberate and consistent form of naivety.

Albert Einstein: "Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results."  Wink
legendary
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Merit: 1570
Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
March 28, 2013, 12:24:34 PM
#95
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
March 28, 2013, 12:20:58 PM
#94
lmftfy:

Quote from: BFL_Josh
"The process to bring a brand new ASIC to life is not as simple as turning it on. The fact that some people BFL thinks it is, is an indicator that they have never actually done so. There is a lot of testing, poking, prodding and debugging that needs to happen to get a chip up and running and if someone BFL tells you differently, they are incorrect, plain and simple."
BFL Update 03-25-2013

And this is exactly the explanation why BFL is so bloody late (and will possibly never have a working product): They are just some cowboys that managed to get the funding done (venture capital, pre order money), outsourced everything and naively took the best case scenarios from their subcontractors for their estimates.

If there is any naivety to what BFL is doing then it must be a pretty deliberate and consistent form of naivety.

hero member
Activity: 952
Merit: 1009
March 28, 2013, 08:42:58 AM
#93
lmftfy:

Quote from: BFL_Josh
"The process to bring a brand new ASIC to life is not as simple as turning it on. The fact that some people BFL thinks it is, is an indicator that they have never actually done so. There is a lot of testing, poking, prodding and debugging that needs to happen to get a chip up and running and if someone BFL tells you differently, they are incorrect, plain and simple."
BFL Update 03-25-2013

And this is exactly the explanation why BFL is so bloody late (and will possibly never have a working product): They are just some cowboys that managed to get the funding done (venture capital, pre order money), outsourced everything and naively took the best case scenarios from their subcontractors for their estimates.

I love that quote. Yes, Josh, designing an ASIC is hard. We knew that, which is exactly why we kept laughing at your utopian time estimates. The ones that absolutely clearly spelled out "we have no idea what we are doing."
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1003
March 28, 2013, 08:01:06 AM
#92
? DDos from China?
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