Topic: Theory: Satoshi Nakamoto is DPR (Ross Ulbricht silkroad founder) - page 2. (Read 1097 times)

lets have some fun then

who are these most people and where is the reference?
- who said he is American? (s)he could have been from anywhere!
- yes but also some say he was above average with all mistakes he made which describes a large population.
- yes, so does a lot of others

for all we know Satoshi was a group of people

so does many others.

or maybe it was because Gavin Andereson went to that 3 letter agency.

in order for this to be true, you have to prove that Satoshi and Hal were the ONLY 2 people mining bitcoin and you have no proof of that. there may have been a third person called Ross Ulbricht who found out about bitcoin, started mining it and thought about creating SilkRoad.

also i didn't see any TX ID anywhere! where is the proof? that article says "...scientists found an account..." didn't mention any bitcoin transaction!

or Satoshi is dead.
or the group decided they should not move those coins ever.
or Satoshi is already rich and satisfied with his life that doesn't need to sell bitcoin for more money.
or Satoshi is waiting for a good price and $3xxx-$4xxx looks stupid to sell.

Everyone seem to believe that there were someone else behind Ross Ulbricht, who were pulling the strings. If you want a conspiracy theory, then I would rather point the finger to this mysterious person, higher up in the chain. I personally think, someone like Satoshi, who created this system to eliminate the corrupt banking and financial systems, will not get involved in sites like Silkroad. ^hmmmmm^

If you owned millions of bitcoins, would you even bother to create Silkroad? < Some might say, it would be a method to launder those coins, but none of those coins ever moved >

OP, that is very improbable. Does Ross Ulbricht know how to code?

I still believe in the theory that Satoshi is a group of people that includes some of the original cypher punks like Adam Back and Nick Szabo, and some new ones like Peter Todd. They are trolling the forums with their alt accounts as we discuss this.

Only for the fact, that Ross posted his real name here on Bitcointalk, I would assume, that his OPSEC was on an extremely low level.

If Satoshi would have founded SilkRoad it would be functioning more like in the style of OpenBazaar. Not saying that Manfred Karrer is Satoshi.
Btw OP you said 'Most people can agree Satoshi is american'. Did you count or how do come to a conclusion like that? Many people actually think Satoshi is british, but a good opsec could include changing writing style, to let the people think he was british.

Who is involved in something even remotely related to cryptos and isn't Satoshi?

It's a nice thought, but not really likely. Ross Ulbricht didn't have access to the closed cypherpunks community that Satoshi first delivered his idea to...it was a group of 8 people or so, really tight. Nor does Ross have any background or experience in the technology needed to create a digital currency.

Have you seen the documentary Banking on Bitcoin yet?

Near the end they make a really logical argument for who may be Satoshi Nakamoto, focusing in on two people.

(1) Nick Szabo, founder of Bit Gold Proposal: It turns out the Bitcoin is nearly an exact copy of a previously released but failed version of a digital currency called Bit Gold. The gent who created Bit Gold, Nick Szabo, was part of the original 8 cypherpunks to receive the Satoshi's white paper. Given how closely Bitcoin resembles Bit Gold, many people believe Nick Szabo is Satoshi.

(2) Hal Finney, the first person to mine and transact Bitcoin with Satoshi: Hal was part of the cypherpunks group that received the white paper. Hal also lived within 2 miles of Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto, the California resident that was once falsely "accused" of being Satoshi. Some time after Bitcoin went live Hal was diagnosed with ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease) and sadly he passed away in 2014. The escalation of Hal's disease (when he would become more incapacitated) is said to align with the time that Satoshi went dark on this forum and other communication channels with core developers.

We do? How? Because Hal convincingly told a reporter for Wired that he wasn't Satoshi? Lying isn't as difficult as you think, especially when it's for the right reasons.

The reasons for Ross' arrest was logical and legitimate for his involvement in Silk Road, to presume that this logical and legitimate reason is actually a farce to cover another reason (i.e., he's Satoshi) is textbook conspiracy theory thinking. You're looking for connections that don't exist. The weak part of this argument is that your connections you're trying to make aren't as plausible as reality.

We wouldn't actually know the real truth we can't even conclude that satoshi is really an american i mean the name satoshi nakamoto what's the point naming himself that when he can have some other codenames to use. And also we're not really sure if satoshi is an individual. I guess all we can do is to guess whether who is satoshi nakamoto on that time with who owns large amount bitcoin that day or maybe he is just an investor of it and maybe an accomplice by satoshi.

You have a point there but it seems you jump into conclusions as Ross Ulbricht just got arrested on year 2015 so he still have a time to use his account on here if he wants to. that is 4 year apart from 2011 though. There is a lot of skilled programmer that is so into cryptography espescially those who really using the dark web. No one really knows who is Satoshi Nakamoto and there is no concrete proof to prove that and it doesn't significant to know it anymore.

I think if there is one reason why that Satoshi Nakamoto account has been unactive because if you have created a great revolutionary technology that changed the world and it really booms then you will recieve so much attention and messages to that account and that would be a serious headache just like vitalik buterin.

We can consider also that account of Satoshi Nakamoto has been used of group of people that develops Bitcoin because it is hard to believe that only one person is involve in creating it.

I have seen countless threads about this already. Claiming they have finally found out who satoshi really is and where he's staying. And you know what, im sick of it. The guy disappeared because he wanted to. No sense in finding someone who doesn't want to be found. So if you love bitcoin, just respect the guy's decisions and let him be.
Besides, you are underestimating satoshi's skills. Clearly he is more clever than that guy. He would know how to protect his identity. Reading about what he's capabilities are, I don't think catching him would be that easy.

It would make perfect sense if its Ross Ulbricht, I mean I can't think of anyone capable nor worthy of creating bitcoin than the infamous  silkroad founder himself. But if by any chance it is true then bitcoin would somehow receive a bad reputation.

If Ross Ulbricht was Satoshi Nakamoto, he won't start silkroad. He might at least has a slightest vision for his security.

Ross U/pirate ain't Satoshi. There is another possibility/another hypothetical statement can be made about "variety Jones". The guy who stepped in to secure the Silk Road network, coder, cryptography, mentor of DPR, but he got caught in Thailand. DPR isn't smart enough to be Satoshi.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/who-is-variety-jones-935434

From my understanding DPR wasn't that skilled in coding, then there was the opsec fails that are absent in Satoshi's situation.

Satoshi seemed extremely meticulous about his opsec, making sure to go to great lengths to never reveal his identity. I'm sure there are a few out there that know, but only because they were close to him during this time.

DPR from my understanding was a "crash course" programmer, meaning he learned as he went and alot of his peers were the ones to point out obvious security holes. He also had many different threads on "Stackoverflow" asking for help on how to create things that were then used against him later on because he copied the code verbatim. He created websites using his real email address (if it is to be believed) and that's how they caught him. I'm sure there was more to it than that, the story reads better than any movies I've ever seen... BUT, I definitely don't think it was Satoshi at the helm, Satoshi was just too meticulous.

I am very interested in the early mined coins though, that is an interesting lead that I've always wished we could find more about.

I think u should stick to watching detective shows...

I'm afraid that's not enough information for us to conclude that Ulbricht is indeed Satoshi Nakamoto. Yes, Satoshi most probably is a skilled programmer and knowledgeable in the field of cryptography and economics, but is there proof that he is indeed American? Who knows also, Satoshi Nakamoto might be a group instead of one single entity.

well the hypothesis seems fit enough for me.
That pizza sold for 16bitcoins, was on U.S right?
why not?

From your link, it doesn't look like it was conclusive that those were Satoshi's coins, just that they belonged to a very early adopter.. I'm not convinced that he is Satoshi. Seems like way too risky of a venture for someone like Satoshi.

Today I was reading some theories about who is Satoshi Nakamoto, and it came to me, that DPR (Ross Ulbricht, founder of Silkroad) is Satoshi Nakamoto

Most people can agree that Satoshi:
* is American
* is a skilled programmer
* knows a lot about cryptography and economics

Guess what, DPR studied economics extensively in college, and we all know DPR can code and have a keen interest in cryptography.

The biggest hint is the perfectly lined up timeline:
The last time Satoshi was involved in Bitcoin was around January 2011, Silkroad launched in February 2011. So if DPR was Satoshi, this would explain why Satoshi suddenly backed off from the Bitcoin development, he was too busy developing and running Silkroad!

Then I digged a little more and found:
DPR moved 1000 BTC that was mined in January 2009, which can only belong to Satoshi or Hal Finney. We know Hal Finney isn't DPR, so there's only one possibility left.

Also this would explain why after DPR was arrested, Satoshi's Bitcoins were never sold or moved, Satoshi himself never showed up anywhere. Because DPR lost his freedom and is rotting in a prison cell.

DPR (Ross Ulbricht) is Satoshi Nakamoto, he was arrested and sentenced to life in prison not just for running Silkroad, it is for something much more.