Topic: there is one thing onely that can save the usa dollar - page 2. (Read 427 times)

You don't have a very good knowledge of Economics I suppose if you think the only way out for the United States is war right? The war will only worsen the state of things both inside the country (very shaky) and outside. If the United States starts a "small victorious war" it will lead to General censure and even greater decline rather than to a return to normal. Do you even understand what you said?

Yep, it was extremely important to the Fed to prop up the equity and crude oil markets. A weak dollar facilitates exactly that, which almost makes me wonder if there is more to this narrative than meets the eye.

I agree with you, more or less. I still find Raoul Pal's "dollar wrecking ball" theory for debt deflation to be fairly persuasive. https://twitter.com/RaoulGMI/status/1254110879479746562

Timing it is damn near impossible though.

It is known that historically wars have been used by those in power to consolidate their power and obtain profits, this is nothing really new and are many instances of this happening, however if that is truly what you think then why you don't tell us which will be the right opponent for the US? Because while there is little doubt the US has superiority when it comes to the technology aspect of any war, one of the most important aspects is for the leaders of the country to have the will of their people to go to war.

Do you really think that the US which is facing a pandemic, an economic crisis and a social crisis so deep that is questioning their own values as a nation that they have what it's needed to win a foreign war? Because for what I see I don't think the US citizens are willing to go to war right now.

Caps, fat fingers and an autocorrect that somehow recognize URSS rather than USSR as a valid name are to blame.   And of course...not paying attention before hitting post!


I'm 40+, I was raised in a communist country, I've seen and heard this bs about the failure of the US since I was a 6yo kid when they dressed me up and put a flag in my hand to wave at our great leaders, while the whole country was on foodstamps in the '80es,  nearly till I finished high school.


This is a bit ironic, I couldn't stop myself smiling reading this.
You know, the dollar was more sought during communism here than it's now without it, and it's the same in other countries in Europe that have not switched to the Euro, the more the talk about the imminent collapse the more valuable and harder to get it become, and it's all because that if we ignore the people that all day are predicting collapses and dooms and famine and god knows what the majority in this world trust the green notes. I've seen this in my short trips to Asia and Northern Africa, there is an exchange in every village there is always a hotel and a restaurant that will accept directly $, people that don't care about zerohedge, people that know the notes can be exchanged at ease for anything valuable.

I think this is not the first time you mentioned URSS. I assume you are referring to USSR every time?

Anyway, I agree that all these talks of the USD falling out of value has been around for decades. But it seems to me-- a highly unreliable spectator at that-- that the US is generally doing well despite of it all.

I don't know how old you are but I've watched documentaries of the US of old and old interviews and in those videos it was quite common to hear people casually alluding to a falling USD, a sovereign currency which was perceived to be losing its power sooner rather than later. But until now all I can see is a strong USD which is still the most powerful global reserve currency at 62%, the green currency which my countrymen have been longing to hold all their lives, the money which people are setting as a sort of an ultimate goal that they are willing to let go of their families and their managerial jobs in exchange for dirty jobs for the sake of its value, and so on.

I know war is costly in so many aspects but a full blown war at this nuclear era is going to be devastating to every single country involved. And I suppose the cost-benefit of it has already been carefully studied by those at the top. And the result of which is probably one of the reasons why the US is resorting to relatively small yet very profitable domestic and regional wars. These are not even wars; these are more like a modern and subtle way of annexation or invasion which have economic underpinnings more than anything else.

The usual recycled URSS propaganda now regurgitated by everyone who wants to blame somebody else for his own failures.
The capitalist pigs will be slaughtered and their economy will fall unless they will finance a costly war with their bankrupt economy...fuck logic! And this BS comes over and over again, the US will save its economy with a war, how...that is not something the average Joe has knowledge about as it implies economics, not studies in reptilian cosmology. The war in Iraq was something at around 2.5 trillion if we price the barrel of oil at 50$ at the start of the war that's 50 billion barrels of oil or 200 years of production, although most of the exploitation is done by Russia and China right now but who would bother with those, we all know USA invaded Irak to steal its oil. /s

That aside, I've been hearing about the collapse of the dollar since I was born, I've heard of it at the start of the century, I've kept hearing about it when my child was born and the way things are going my grandchild will hear about this when he will tell stories to his own grandchildren.

You mean this is just temporary and you're expecting a dollar recovery soon?

The USD actually isn't getting weaker across the board. It's steady against Asian currencies and is actually strong against high yield emerging market currencies. It's primarily developed-market currencies, especially the EUR, that's driving down the DXY right now. I assume this is related to COVID-19 and the disparity between the recovery in the US and that of elsewhere.

So it's been especially rough for emerging markets. For them, the dollar is actually strong the past few months, which makes them vulnerable to inflating dollar-denominated debt. The pandemic-related decline in growth makes it a double whammy. Their inability to print money like developed countries makes the disparities even worse.

Wow men You just said it Right!!!
What's your Back ground like really.... You should be teaching About economy!


Yes USA is not sacrafice economy and people like europe is doing they keep euro Strong by Control the money supply and high taxes euro is that way artificial way Strong.

War isn't a solution for the America to get the dollar strength, what they need is a solution for their economy, as you have said the  current international investors are moving away from dollars. They need an economic solution and that is not by war to get, besides they are always in war with Iraq. And thinking that there is China and Russia on the opposite side, America is quite in danger for these two, and just to tell you with the modernized weapon that every country has got, America knows that it will be the end of the world if 1 or 2 nuclear is launched to target a country, the purpose of their dollar strengthening will come in dust.

Trump only needs one or two days for the handling of corona with the discourse to banned the application TikTok. Banned TikTok will not have a significant impact on China. Trump does need a justification to postpone the election and the only possible reason is the war against the common enemy. Trump is also mimicking China's propaganda strategy. With propaganda, Trump said that the cause of the American recession was China, the cause of death in America was China, the cause of many unemployment in America was China because China was the spreader of the Wuhan Flu. The aim is to create a military emergency issue or situation in order to delay the November 2020 election.

Okay then so That's Why the Trump said will ban the tiktok to have tiktok  shares with cheap Price?

Who is moving away from USA? Stock market is doing good there and also there are talks about they are going to buy Tiktok if the app have to work there by Microsoft and lot of positive things for USA.

Okay but You Tell me what is the Solution? 

Have you Got the better idea?

The hyper inflation is highest and That's normal to start War Once the Country Goes in debt at least they will fight.


The War is natural thing in life we been Living all Beyond Our means now the bubble will pop and War is Logical way

You are really delusional plus I am ashamed to say that a person is literally asking for a war to break out !!

War is not good for anyone !!

If you do think after a war by destroying small countries the US would fluorish , you are very very wrong and do need to understand the value of human lives !! Killing people , loosing peace it would be the last thing that should ever take place.

War is never the answer ! NEVER.

Nothing will save US if there are people who think like you . I am sure that you voted for Trump !! This is not how a economy works .

It's dependent on people , Government , good relationships between the countries. What the dollar needs is support and by killing someone you cannot get that ever.

Seriously? War will never be the answer,

I know that war will help them gain more power as they can expand their territories and rights if they will be able to win among others. But this should never be consider as one of the options as this will never give any good not only to us but also to them. The dollar is weak right now, but as this pandemic will end, sooner or later, the dollar will probably take the lead again as where it is before.

The dollar is weak, and definitely in a mid-term bearish trend, but let's get some perspective about this. The drop in the DXY looks exactly like the one in 2017. Still trading within a very familiar range:



Is the DXY headed for the 80s? Probably. Is it the end of the world? Nope.....

Before some uneducated dude says that the US is bad, capitalism is bad, the dollar is bad (but his religion is great, lol), USD is just a medium of exchange, and it doesn't need a savior. It will move because of the market mechanism (supply and demand). War will devalue USD even more, so no sane person will go to war without any substantial gain.

In the past, we had WW2 because Hitler is insane.

War is never an answer to any problems here in our world.
There's no advantages that can happen when countries started a war, it will just cause a wide and huge damage to humanity, economy, and all aspects of life.

How come war is the USA's last hope towards saving US dollar? If war happens, all currencies will become useless and valueless. No matter how rich you are, you will just lose your money including your life if countries destroy each other for the sake of dominance.

Like a cold war, yes, possibly it will become more effective for both of the country to strengthen their technology and economy.

By war? Fair enough, it makes sense somehow because the we can presume that the winner of it (USA in this case) will take over the losing country. Thus, will have the control on all of its manpower, assets etc. and they can also introduce their currency for them to use it. However, engaging in war does not give you a flawless victory. There's no such thing as that because nobody knows exactly the capabilities of the opposing country. Of course they will spend lots of money on their arsenal so the question is, Is that even worth it? Nah, I don't think so. Simply because it's negative side is always greater than the good one. Just like what Neville Chamberlain said, "In war, whichever call itself the victor, there are no winners, but all are losers".
Every country got their own agendas. Some are willing to help, some are dormant and some are opportunistic. Now you may realized that our world is not based in your or even our ideals. It is what it is and I'm not happy about it .

Yes, wars are relatively events that give out resources to the winning party, and we all know how US can pretty much dominate any small to middle countries with relative ease, and as for countries on its level, it'd probably only take time, but let's be real here, the only thing they would be doing is losing more resources as it is already. Last hope? Probably, if they want to ruin their country entirely. I actually don't think that even with wars could US save their dollar. Even if they were pushed to again sell their bonds to foreign investors though, a war would probably not happen. They've already experienced such events in the past with the 2007, so I doubt they wouldn't know what to do to prevent that plus, even if they were willing to sell, only a select few could buy them due to each country having its own problems with regards to the economy.