There's enough merits, if hoarders aren't selfish. - page 4.

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Quote from: pawanjain on June 03, 2024, 11:46:27 AM

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on June 02, 2024, 04:04:41 PM

Mind you, there's a difference between hoarders and merit sources, to begin with.

What's your opinion?

Are you tracking people whether they are hoarding their merits or not ?

I don't think OP do that, but user @Coin-1 do that on thread [TOP-200] Members who have a lot of earned sMerits. Some of them are either inactive or representative of certain service though.

Quote from: LoyceV on June 03, 2024, 12:23:48 PM

I'm probably the biggest sMerit hoarder on the forum, and if not, I'm certain I'm in the Top 5. I'm also the Top 1 most generous Merit sender. What does this tell you? Nothing Tongue

Merit isn't scarce. Good posts are.

Based on thread i mention on above sentence and your statement, that means you could have at least 1358 sMerits (excluding source).

LoyceV

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Quote from: GeorgeJohn on June 03, 2024, 01:09:55 PM

But I think as a merit sources, your Smerit have expiration if fail to exhaust it before the end of the month?

Not really: every source sMerit I spent, returns after 30 days. I think it's after 30*24*3600 seconds exactly.
If I don't spend them, they don't disappear. It just piles up and won't get replenished anymore.

Odusko

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Take merits like pocket money, only the holder have the right to spend it, I can't say they're selfish for not sending out the smerits in the possession same way you don't force people to spend their pocket money, most times merit's cyculation may be affected by the activities of members, if the smerits holder is not active then, the smerits may become useless.

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Quote from: Pmalek on June 04, 2024, 10:45:35 AM

...Since it's difficult because of a lack of quality and meritworthy posts, his sMerit count keeps increasing and is not being emptied.

The only problem is not lack of quality and merit worthy posts. Amidst low quality posts, there are still posts which cross the average benchmark that ought to receive merits. The problem could be that most of our merit sources have high standards for giving out merits and it's rare for their standards to be met by an average forum user.

blckhawk

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Don't be bitter that people don't give away merits that easily, there's a decay period for merits if I recall so if they don't use it, it will be for nothing. I guess that some people just don't find what you're posting to be that fun or compelling and that they don't really care much that they will give you their merits. If you really wanted to be recognized in your game here in the forum, maybe you need to start looking inward and see what are your problems in terms of how you post and the quality of those posts.

Pmalek

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Quote from: pawanjain on June 03, 2024, 11:46:27 AM

Are you tracking people whether they are hoarding their merits or not ?
Unless you are using bpip tool to monitor different users on the forum it will be really difficult to tell if the people are hoarding their merits or not.

You remember the names eventually. Let's say I wanted to merit you but I never checked your profile. I would visit it and click on your merit stats. It takes me two seconds to see if you are sending merits. I would expect anyone who receives merits to spend them as well. I don't care how, in which quantities, or to which users. I just like to see them being circled.

Quote from: GeorgeJohn on June 03, 2024, 01:09:55 PM

But I think as a merit sources, your Smerit have expiration if fail to exhaust it before the end of the month?

Don't confuse source merits with sMerits. They are different. sMerits (the spendable merits) are the ones you can give to other people. Two received merits create one sMerit.

Source merits expire if not used. If you are a merit source, you first have to use your source merits before you can tap into your sMerit pool. That's why LoyceV says he is an sMerit hoarder. Because he is a merit source with a big stash of source merits, he rarely gets a chance to send his sMerits.

Let's say he now has 200 source merits next to his name. He needs to empty that to 0 before it's time to send his sMerits. Since it's difficult because of a lack of quality and meritworthy posts, his sMerit count keeps increasing and is not being emptied.

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My opinion is that you, being here in 2021, are making a statement that is obvious after two weeks. Likewise, there is no need for this topic. You can't force those who don't give away their merit; many will do this with pleasure.

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Quote from: Hatchy on June 02, 2024, 04:14:25 PM

There was never any connections between the two terms and right bow, I'm still trying to understand the usefulness of this thread. Merits sources are given smerits by the admin and their job is to keep the merit flow of the forum balanced by distributing smerits to worthy posts. For those hoarding their smerits, no one can force them to distribute it as they have control of it and can choose to or not to send them out it's their business and not that of anyone. There will still be enough merit flowing in the forum even when they decide to hoard theirs so no loss.

What I have come to understand is that merit sources were given smerits to distribute in the forum but no definite instructions on how or where to distribute them, rather it is expected that whatever is a merit deserving post should be merited. The ambiguous part is that what A may consider a quality post might not qualify as such to B, this simplify mean that the merit sources, coming from different background with different interests, have to work out ways they deem suitable to distribute their smerits. I believe that each of them is doing their best in their capacity to deliver on the trust and confidence reposed on them by the forum administration because they were found worthy of the task. So, we have to respect and appreciate them just the way they are and try to get better in contributing to the discussion here as that is the way merits are given.

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Quote from: LoyceV on June 03, 2024, 12:23:48 PM

I'm probably the biggest sMerit hoarder on the forum, and if not, I'm certain I'm in the Top 5. I'm also the Top 1 most generous Merit sender. What does this tell you? Nothing Tongue

Merit isn't scarce. Good posts are.

But I think as a merit sources, your Smerit have expiration if fail to exhaust it before the end of the month? I know very well that what make people to hoard Smerit for long time is because they have not meet to a post that have such attraction of quality they needed. Spamming is now taking over forum due to so many new accounts.

LoyceV

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I'm probably the biggest sMerit hoarder on the forum, and if not, I'm certain I'm in the Top 5. I'm also the Top 1 most generous Merit sender. What does this tell you? Nothing Tongue

Merit isn't scarce. Good posts are.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on June 02, 2024, 04:04:41 PM

Mind you, there's a difference between hoarders and merit sources, to begin with.

What's your opinion?

I don't understand your point of being selfish because I know that forum memebers can't merit themselves but talking about being careless in holding obtained Sensible merits without giving them out before it decays, then it's absolutely a nonsense act.
Merits can actually speculate if holders grants them usefully but without the Merit source, I don't think if we can actually generate more to the forum because looking at the forum on basis, I see newbies on board and there's been a lot of quality post in the forum which can even drain the sendable merits of there's no source to regenerate more.

pawanjain

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on June 02, 2024, 04:04:41 PM

Mind you, there's a difference between hoarders and merit sources, to begin with.

What's your opinion?

Are you tracking people whether they are hoarding their merits or not ?
Unless you are using bpip tool to monitor different users on the forum it will be really difficult to tell if the people are hoarding their merits or not.
Besides that, if people are hoarding their merits then there is no point of it because we don't have any kind of benefit for hoarding merits.
It's better to give it away which is it's sole purpose anyway but then again we have all the rights to choose whom to merit.
Even I become really choosy when it comes to meriting posts but because I have only a small amount of merits with me.

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Quote from: Pmalek on June 03, 2024, 11:20:43 AM

Tell you what OP, if you had spent some more time to create a more detailed and interesting opening post, I would probably have merited it. But I chose not to. Not because I am selfish, but because you didn't put much effort into it.

Everyone has the right to decide how to spend their merits. That's true for regular users as well as merit sources. You can always adjust the rules a bit to your liking. For example, in 99% of cases, I don't merit posts written by accounts who have collected many merits but have never awarded others with any. Regardless of what anyone says, I see them as not playing the game the way it's supposed to be played, so I don't see the need to merit them (most of the time).

I don't hate them. I won't ignore them and not talk to them. But I don't need to merit them.

A straight, direct and clear point. The truth is, everyone have the right to do whatever with there smerit of which they decide who to merit or not in whatever situation (post). It never selfishness, Merit sources are doing there best, and the truth remains that they cannot merit all the post, there duty is just to ensure circulation of merit. OP your post is dumb and empty.

Pmalek

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Tell you what OP, if you had spent some more time to create a more detailed and interesting opening post, I would probably have merited it. But I chose not to. Not because I am selfish, but because you didn't put much effort into it.

Everyone has the right to decide how to spend their merits. That's true for regular users as well as merit sources. You can always adjust the rules a bit to your liking. For example, in 99% of cases, I don't merit posts written by accounts who have collected many merits but have never awarded others with any. Regardless of what anyone says, I see them as not playing the game the way it's supposed to be played, so I don't see the need to merit them (most of the time).

I don't hate them. I won't ignore them and not talk to them. But I don't need to merit them.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 02, 2024, 04:15:47 PM

Most people are sending the smerits they have to posts, only few people are hoarding smerits. Some of them are not very active on this forum than to see some questions and answer them.

Or do you mean that there are some merit sources that are hoarding smerits? You can report them to theymos if you notice that. Theymos will likely reduce their merit allocation or remove them. Theymos like merit source who makes use of the smerits he is sending them.

He/she was talking about users who are not merit sources but have enough smerits and they decide to hold onto it instead of sending it out which is a normal thing every user of this forum who's not a merit source can do since they can independently decide what to do with their smerit since they are not merit source.
This is why I don't see any usefulness in the topic raised by the OP.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on June 03, 2024, 06:32:10 AM

Quote from: Cryptoprincess101 on June 03, 2024, 05:27:53 AM

so it is the duty of everyone to make sure they spend their smerits on quality posts just like same way other users finds your post worthy of meriting and gave them so "one good turn deserves another" when people merit your quality posts also do well to merit others quality posts.

It’s not a duty of a regular forum member to spend his smerits, however merit sources have an obligation to spend their monthly allocated smerits. Not everyone understands the merit system. The idea of “one good turn deserves another" is the reason why many members are merit backscratchers and their merit history has a visible ring. I don’t think merits should not be given based on sympathy or relationship.

I understand your point and you are very correct but please edit the bolded area. Just read the line again

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Quote from: Cryptoprincess101 on June 02, 2024, 04:20:50 PM

If I get you correctly you are talking about those that have SMerits in their profile but are not distributing it to posts they find of good quality. It is a bad practice to hoard SMerits when they can just easily come across good quality posts in the forum and gives them merit though every one is at liberty to choose between spending their smerits or not but for merit sources it is supposed to be done without hoarding it because the reason why we have merit sources is for distribution of merit in the forum so if a merit source refuses to spend their merit allocation then it is just an act of selfishness and wickedness because they don't even own those SMerits except they distribute them to other profiles.

I'm sure everything will be done according to the portions. there is no selfishness or wickedness.
look at merit sources that even create threads for reviews or those who share their random forum member posts. Even if someone doesn't share their Merit, we know they have a reason. even if it is a Merit source or not. In fact, we still see many members who care about the operation of this very good system.
not all members have thoughts like you or OP. we do know that hoarding sMerit will not do any good. but everyone has their way of thinking regarding distributing the Merit they have.

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Quote from: Cryptoprincess101 on June 03, 2024, 05:27:53 AM

so it is the duty of everyone to make sure they spend their smerits on quality posts just like same way other users finds your post worthy of meriting and gave them so "one good turn deserves another" when people merit your quality posts also do well to merit others quality posts.

It’s not a duty of a regular forum member to spend his smerits, however merit sources have an obligation to spend their monthly allocated smerits. Not everyone understands the merit system. The idea of “one good turn deserves another" is the reason why many members are merit backscratchers and their merit history has a visible ring. I don’t think merits should be given based on sympathy or relationship.

TheUltraElite

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So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)

I am of the opinion that if some merit source hoards merits, this will show up to theymos when their merits get refilled every month, they are more likely to get marked by theymos due to this behaviour and eventually lose their merit source role.

For those who are not merit sources but done spend their merits, a merit decay thing should be used in my opinion, decayed merits being recycled to sources for distribution once again.

Maybe this is not the case, it is possible the OP is facing a dearth of merits, because as we have seen from the forum, cycling of merits occurs in specific groups and local communities and if you are not part of them you will be missed out and nobody will notice a thing.

I hope theymos takes the above problem up and attempts to solve it in future.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on June 02, 2024, 04:04:41 PM

What's your opinion?

There's no requirement for non-merit source to use sMerit they have. So i think it's not selfish for not using sMerit they have.

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on June 02, 2024, 06:22:56 PM

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we should try to encourage good contributions to this forum irrespective of the class or origin of country, so as to ensure growth and development and call for good initiatives that will help the Bitcoin family at large.

I agree, but who actually bother check poster class/country origin before deciding to send merit to them?

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