There's enough merits, if hoarders aren't selfish. - page 2.

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Quote from: LoyceV on July 10, 2024, 12:25:10 PM

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on July 10, 2024, 10:27:14 AM

such like them should be penalised one way or another to force them to at least share merits

Let's start with this guy! Hoarding sMerits, how dares he!

Hahaha...satoshi of all people? I won't even go there, but regular users.

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There's no point in blaming individual users for it.

This is not about blaming anyone but pointing to the good side of recycling the merits which I don't think is bad for the forum. But on the contrary, hoarding it for several months doesn't serve the forum any good and neither will it reflect the good intention of theymos on this.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on July 10, 2024, 03:46:53 PM

But look at it this way I could not care less about gambling so if you post their I won't read it.

You're not the only one merit source staying away from gambling boards. There are many merit sources who don't visit gambling board or its sub-boards as they don't find those boards interesting.

To be honest, those boards doesn't get enough merits and the ones who post at those boards may not get many merits even if they make very useful posts.

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Quote from: LoyceV on July 10, 2024, 01:44:08 AM

Quote from: Churchillvv on July 10, 2024, 01:17:49 AM

LoyceV what exactly do you consider quality post ? perhaps everyone has th definitions of quality post and categories so maybe if share yours and what you expect from people before you can hand them merit then it would be easier to make such post. let's hear from you.

If you think people should adjust their posts to earn Merit, you're going at it the wrong way. Merit shouldn't be the reason to post, and adjusting your posts for it doesn't work either.

Right! we shouldn't adjust our post for merits, instead we can provide helps to people who needs them and in the process we might fall intto merit rewards.

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Quote from: LoyceV on July 10, 2024, 12:25:10 PM

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on July 10, 2024, 10:27:14 AM

such like them should be penalised one way or another to force them to at least share merits

Let's start with this guy! Hoarding sMerits, how dares he!

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as it's also important to the forum to make the good and deserving users feel appreciated and known.

If theymos thinks the average user doesn't earn enough Merit, he can easily double the entire supply. There's no point in blaming individual users for it.

Satoshi, who flee into space a decade ago, is competing with an average active user for merits received in the last 120 days. Sounds hilarious when you ponder deeply. I can't even keep up with his pace, and the last time he posted, I was still eating tacos. Cheesy

Bro is hoarding over 3k smerits that's -3 possible Legendary accounts. If theymos is going to penalise us for not sharing enough merits, he ought to start with the top guy Satoshi- I support

Quote from: philipma1957 on July 10, 2024, 03:46:53 PM

But look at it this way I could not care less about gambling so if you post their I won't read it.

Bro is missing all the fun on gambling board, who's going to tell him.

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Quote from: xLays on July 10, 2024, 12:54:13 AM

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Quote from: LoyceV on June 03, 2024, 12:23:48 PM

I'm probably the biggest sMerit hoarder on the forum, and if not, I'm certain I'm in the Top 5. I'm also the Top 1 most generous Merit sender. What does this tell you? Nothing Tongue

Merit isn't scarce. Good posts are.

Absolutely!

There are enough Merit Sources on the forum, we don’t need any more. Plentiful Merit is sent by sources to deserving posters.

There is definitely not a lack of Merit, there is definitely a lack of top quality posters, especially new accounts. It is not hard to receive Merit, many sources are if anything over generous. Be a helpful member of the community, make good quality, constructive, clear and concise posts and you’ll be feasting on Merit in no time.

I know that the bitcointalk merit system is designed to reward quality posts and improve overall forum content. However, one of the problems I see with this merit system is that even if you make a quality post, if no one sees it or no one wants to give merit, it might be like a normal post. I think that's what OP want trying to discuss. This can be discouraging for users (like me, lol) who put in some effort to contribute but are not getting enough merit.

But look at it this way I could not care less about gambling so if you post their I won't read it.
I don't read foreign languages as I really am only good with English
I read Meta
I Read btc mining
I read alt mining
I read btc technical
I read bitcoin discussion
I read economics
I read development & technical
I read marketplace

So maybe 35% of the forum is read by me
I give a lot of points each month.

I am certain that I could give more as my hoard is under 500 points to give.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on June 02, 2024, 04:04:41 PM

Mind you, there's a difference between hoarders and merit sources, to begin with.

What's your opinion?

The job of a merit source is different from someone who has an Smerits. Merit source are to merit and quality post that they see on a board or thread, even if the post is not %100 quality but is %70 upword, they might consider it as quality post and merit it but the number of merits that is supposed to be given to the post will reduce because it's not %100 quality.
But someone that has an Smerits will not merit any post that is not %90 to %100 quality because they believe that they worked hard to receive their Merits, so they will need to see a 100% quality post before they distribute sny number/s of merits according to their choice.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on July 10, 2024, 10:27:14 AM

such like them should be penalised one way or another to force them to at least share merits

Let's start with this guy! Hoarding sMerits, how dares he!

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as it's also important to the forum to make the good and deserving users feel appreciated and known.

If theymos thinks the average user doesn't earn enough Merit, he can easily double the entire supply. There's no point in blaming individual users for it.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on July 10, 2024, 10:27:14 AM

Such people are the real hoarders. Are they not reading any posts? If possible, such like them should be penalised one way or another to force them to at least share merits as it's also important to the forum to make the good and deserving users feel appreciated and known. Besides, I always appreciate those merit sources who dedicated their time to creating threads to view the unmerited posts that deserved it. But more is needed to make it effective even as some of those links above are no more effective.

There is no point in hoarding the merits

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There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.

But it's up to them whether they want to send it to anyone or they want to let it decayed if that ever happened and I don't think penalizing them is not the right way either. Usually members send merits to worthy posts but it's very rare to find people who is not sending any merits at all and probable reasons are they are not interested in reading other replies or they set the standard too high that can never be met.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on July 09, 2024, 10:38:45 PM

Merit sources are the ones who distribute the number of merits to those quality and helpful contributions on every thread, and those who you think hoarders it's up to them if they want to give their sMerits we have different qualifications of giving merits sometimes can be subjective or base on their quality of the post. There are no benefits of holding too much sMerit at all.

That's why we have a thread related to this.

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You nailed it, but no one cares if they hoard the merit until there is a rule/sanction that makes them care. They will continue even if they know there are no benefits in doing that, people's behaviour is random and could be so ugly at times. This is obvious on the forum where some users who have been blessed with enough merits will find it difficult to reciprocate it on others. This is worse to the extent that their 120 days sent merits page will be 0 despite receiving 100s of merits in months.

Such people are the real hoarders. Are they not reading any posts? If possible, such like them should be penalised one way or another to force them to at least share merits as it's also important to the forum to make the good and deserving users feel appreciated and known. Besides, I always appreciate those merit sources who dedicated their time to creating threads to view the unmerited posts that deserved it. But more is needed to make it effective even as some of those links above are no more effective.

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Quote from: xLays on July 10, 2024, 12:54:13 AM

I know that the bitcointalk merit system is designed to reward quality posts and improve overall forum content. However, one of the problems I see with this merit system is that even if you make a quality post, if no one sees it or no one wants to give merit, it might be like a normal post. I think that's what OP want trying to discuss. This can be discouraging for users (like me, lol) who put in some effort to contribute but are not getting enough merit.

I agree with you that even if you write a quality post the chance of getting merits on it is low. I have experienced it in the past and till today facing the same issue which is still okay for me with my rank. The problem happens when a newbie is trying to get some merits to rank up, he tries to come up with a good topic/reply but he has to struggle to get merits from the global boards. On the contrary, it is easier to get merits if on local boards as they have dedicated merit sources. I never felt that on my local board merit hoarding is an issue as everyone who has smerits is always distributing it to a quality post. The problem that we are facing is officially retired merits sources which is causing the activity of our local board to go down.

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Quote from: Churchillvv on July 10, 2024, 01:17:49 AM

LoyceV what exactly do you consider quality post ? perhaps everyone has th definitions of quality post and categories so maybe if share yours and what you expect from people before you can hand them merit then it would be easier to make such post. let's hear from you.

You making it look like is all about the merit that why members need to get themselves here to post, if that's the case then it will only make merit source to over look many post on the Forum because the posters are not doing it for the main purpose they're suppose to but having it in mind that they will get something in return (merit). You notice that the effort of dropping quality post won't be there and you see users always posting where merit sources are and even quoting them just to get attention and merit, for me is best to post without expecting merit but post something interesting, if you always think of getting merit when you post then you'd be disappointed when it doesn't come and it will discourage you from posting even if you have the best idea of dropping a quality post.

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Quote from: xLays on July 10, 2024, 12:54:13 AM

even if you make a quality post, if no one sees it or no one wants to give merit, it might be like a normal post.

I've seen this statement before, which is why I created Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source back in 2019. It turns out there aren't a lot of good posts that go unmerited after all.

Allow me to highlight the bolded part: if nobody sees your post, it's not a good post. A good posts also means it's interesting, and posted in a place where people can find it and want to read it. The second part: if nobody wants to give it Merit after reading it, it's not a good post.

Quote from: Churchillvv on July 10, 2024, 01:17:49 AM

LoyceV what exactly do you consider quality post ? perhaps everyone has th definitions of quality post and categories so maybe if share yours and what you expect from people before you can hand them merit then it would be easier to make such post. let's hear from you.

If you think people should adjust their posts to earn Merit, you're going at it the wrong way. Merit shouldn't be the reason to post, and adjusting your posts for it doesn't work either.

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Quote from: xLays on July 10, 2024, 12:54:13 AM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 04, 2024, 03:19:23 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on June 03, 2024, 12:23:48 PM

I'm probably the biggest sMerit hoarder on the forum, and if not, I'm certain I'm in the Top 5. I'm also the Top 1 most generous Merit sender. What does this tell you? Nothing Tongue

Merit isn't scarce. Good posts are.

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I know that the bitcointalk merit system is designed to reward quality posts and improve overall forum content. However, one of the problems I see with this merit system is that even if you make a quality post, if no one sees it or no one wants to give merit, it might be like a normal post. I think that's what OP want trying to discuss. This can be discouraging for users (like me, lol) who put in some effort to contribute but are not getting enough merit.

Perhaps the merit system is subjective and not what you feel is a quality contribution can be a quality contribution to th merit source. you can be convinced that this post is merit worth while the person with the merit thinks the opposite.

Maybe your post are not always first, or in the first pages I believe naturally this are contributors to merit rewards, because you can't say something that will look too convincing for merit in the third page because it's assumed someone from the first page most have thought and spoken about it.

LoyceV what exactly do you consider quality post ? perhaps everyone has th definitions of quality post and categories so maybe if share yours and what you expect from people before you can hand them merit then it would be easier to make such post. let's hear from you.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 04, 2024, 03:19:23 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on June 03, 2024, 12:23:48 PM

I'm probably the biggest sMerit hoarder on the forum, and if not, I'm certain I'm in the Top 5. I'm also the Top 1 most generous Merit sender. What does this tell you? Nothing Tongue

Merit isn't scarce. Good posts are.

Absolutely!

There are enough Merit Sources on the forum, we don’t need any more. Plentiful Merit is sent by sources to deserving posters.

There is definitely not a lack of Merit, there is definitely a lack of top quality posters, especially new accounts. It is not hard to receive Merit, many sources are if anything over generous. Be a helpful member of the community, make good quality, constructive, clear and concise posts and you’ll be feasting on Merit in no time.

I know that the bitcointalk merit system is designed to reward quality posts and improve overall forum content. However, one of the problems I see with this merit system is that even if you make a quality post, if no one sees it or no one wants to give merit, it might be like a normal post. I think that's what OP want trying to discuss. This can be discouraging for users (like me, lol) who put in some effort to contribute but are not getting enough merit.

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Merit sources are the ones who distribute the number of merits to those quality and helpful contributions on every thread, and those who you think hoarders it's up to them if they want to give their sMerits we have different qualifications of giving merits sometimes can be subjective or base on their quality of the post. There are no benefits of holding too much sMerit at all.

That's why we have a thread related to this.

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The meritorious must verify the merit of the meritorious. There is no need to show selfishness or nepotism in this case. Then new talent can move forward.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on June 02, 2024, 04:04:41 PM

Mind you, there's a difference between hoarders and merit sources, to begin with.

What's your opinion?

From what I think OP is saying about those hoarding smerit is like they are the ones stopping merit from flowing on the Forum and is like they're another kind of merit source that are stingy to distribute their smerit to good post here in the Forum. To me I see it that is a choice but to be frank with you OP that's non of our business if they hold it on to themselves like holding a pillow so tight to the body, if they hold it without distributing it, it still won't make their merit grow in anyway except they receive from either merit sources or other members who find their post interesting or merit worthy, like they say givers never lack and I believe you OP is also hoarding some smerit too so you're also guilty of what you are complaining about, givers never lack remember that and you have seen quality post and you choose to walk away too.

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Quote from: LoyceV on June 03, 2024, 12:23:48 PM

I'm probably the biggest sMerit hoarder on the forum, and if not, I'm certain I'm in the Top 5. I'm also the Top 1 most generous Merit sender. What does this tell you? Nothing Tongue

Merit isn't scarce. Good posts are.

Absolutely!

There are enough Merit Sources on the forum, we don’t need any more. Plentiful Merit is sent by sources to deserving posters.

There is definitely not a lack of Merit, there is definitely a lack of top quality posters, especially new accounts. It is not hard to receive Merit, many sources are if anything over generous. Be a helpful member of the community, make good quality, constructive, clear and concise posts and you’ll be feasting on Merit in no time.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on June 06, 2024, 07:44:39 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on June 03, 2024, 12:23:48 PM

I'm probably the biggest sMerit hoarder on the forum, and if not, I'm certain I'm in the Top 5. I'm also the Top 1 most generous Merit sender. What does this tell you? Nothing Tongue

Merit isn't scarce. Good posts are.

What qualifies as a good post, according to your standards?

I ask so because maybe merit sources should find a way to let the forum know what they stand for; that is their principles and what determines them to qualify a post as quality or not. Or is that better kept a secret?
In this way, maybe everyone both newbies and oldies would learn to employ this and create better post that would surely warrant the merits and upmovement of this forum in general.

From what I have observed from members I admire their quality of post and from my experience of quality of post is that, it mostly comes from your experiences and how vast you are in making researches online, and thereby helping people solve those problem questions here by providing a tangible answers and solutions from what you've known or have learned, So there's no two ways about this, because you can only offer what you have in terms post quality, the more research you do, the more you become experienced and add more value too.

And when we talk about quality of post, yes I know it happens sometimes even when your post is of good quality the merits aren't coming, well, that won't stop you from doing what you are doing, whereas I have seen a situation where the merits keeps flowing, it happens both ways. Maybe sometimes It could be that a merit source person hasn't found them merit worthy base on their own personal reasons or kind of think new profiles are becoming increasingly created that some profiles aren't getting the attention.

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Quote from: leonair on June 08, 2024, 12:19:52 PM

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on June 02, 2024, 04:04:41 PM

Mind you, there's a difference between hoarders and merit sources, to begin with.

What's your opinion?

Everyone who gets merit here gets merit for a good posting. The exchange of merit is going on naturally, and very few people retain merit. And those who keep maids are not active in the forum; it seems that it has been a few days or a long time.

I believe that the concept of retaining merit should be viewed in a positive light, as it ensures a fair distribution of merit. If an individual consistently maintains the quality and quantity of their posts, they should rightfully earn merit.

The merits that Themos gives are for proper use, not to be misused, and if someone misuses them and puts them on the stone, they should be reported.

Merit is meant to be given for those who deserved it, as it’s never meant to just keep and hoard it. That’s actually how merits should serve its purpose, not on the other way around.

Unfortunately, not all good posters are given the opportunity to be merited, some who are only be making lower quality of post are even get merited. In this case, it’s obvious that merits do not actually serve its real purpose, otherwise this issue in the forum won’t be made at all.

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