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Sorry to bring this thread back to life, but maybe theymos had received either subpoena or other legal process related to bitmixer in the past (or more likely shortly prior to them bidding on the forum auctions).

If bitmixer was recently (as of when the OP was created) then it would make sense for them to want to advertise more in order to attract more illicit business. 
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I think he was talking in third person and saying he agrees with dogie's replies, not theymos (if that's what confused you).

I too was confused, but it does make sense if you imaging the <> as **

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While yes, dogie's responses are very much factually accurate. However with that being said, if theymos wants people to feel "welcome" in his "house" which he clearly does as he profits from people being and posting here, he will need to give some kind of explanation when he treats one person (or in his case user) differently.

IMO, his lack of response will cause some what level of uneasiness (not to a very large extent as this appears to be a somewhat isolated incident)
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I think he was talking in third person and saying he agrees with dogie's replies, not theymos (if that's what confused you).
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Where does he "agree with dogie's replies"?
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Does it matter? Its his forum and his liability, he's free to choose what he allows or doesn't in terms of advertising. He doesn't need a concrete reason.

except it's not his forum.
Yes it is. He says that it belongs to the community however from a legal standpoint he does own it. Any decision that he makes here can potentially cause him to have some kind of personal liability. His reasoning for not wanting to accept bitmixer's bid likely has something to do with fear of liability (probably criminal) - at least in my opinion

This forum belongs to the community as much as your house does. We live in a capitalistic world, people have to own things.

that's a terrible analogy.

So, the public doesn't have any right to his house, correct? Well there you go, the public has exactly the same right (none) to 'own' this forum.
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well, i dont know if it counts, but im using bitmixer services ... just for the fun of it ... and i NEVER had any issues
will use again when i fell like it
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Does it matter? Its his forum and his liability, he's free to choose what he allows or doesn't in terms of advertising. He doesn't need a concrete reason.

except it's not his forum.
Yes it is. He says that it belongs to the community however from a legal standpoint he does own it. Any decision that he makes here can potentially cause him to have some kind of personal liability. His reasoning for not wanting to accept bitmixer's bid likely has something to do with fear of liability (probably criminal) - at least in my opinion

This forum belongs to the community as much as your house does. We live in a capitalistic world, people have to own things.

that's a terrible analogy.
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Does it matter? Its his forum and his liability, he's free to choose what he allows or doesn't in terms of advertising. He doesn't need a concrete reason.

except it's not his forum.
Yes it is. He says that it belongs to the community however from a legal standpoint he does own it. Any decision that he makes here can potentially cause him to have some kind of personal liability. His reasoning for not wanting to accept bitmixer's bid likely has something to do with fear of liability (probably criminal) - at least in my opinion

This forum belongs to the community as much as your house does. We live in a capitalistic world, people have to own things.
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Still didn't receive any explanation from theymos Sad
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Then who's is it? I think theymos is generally considered in charge of running it etc.

Running something and owning it are not the same thing, weather Theymos even ``legally`` owns bitcointalk is largely debatable. The way Satoshi intended it to be was a sort of charity or non profit for the Bitcoin community that would further it, not as a piggy bank for one man. I`m not accusing Theymos of thinking of bitcointalk as his personal bank but I`m just clearing up some misconceptions some of you have.
Which is exactly what it is right now which is the truly sad part.
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I think the misconception you have is that this forum 'belongs' ie is owned by satoshi or the community. It's legal ownership may be a grey area but we all know who is currently managing this place and is in charge of the forum whether the way it is currently being run is satoshi's indented design or not.
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Then who's is it? I think theymos is generally considered in charge of running it etc.

Running something and owning it are not the same thing, weather Theymos even ``legally`` owns bitcointalk is largely debatable. The way Satoshi intended it to be was a sort of charity or non profit for the Bitcoin community that would further it, not as a piggy bank for one man. I`m not accusing Theymos of thinking of bitcointalk as his personal bank but I`m just clearing up some misconceptions some of you have.
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If theymos did receive some kind of government request to not allow bitmixer to advertise/promote themselves then it would probably have been separate from the DPR/SR1 subpena.

I am very curious to know why theymos has not responded as of yet, there doesn't seem to be any reason for him to at least respond and/or give some kind of rationale behind his actions - he does seem to think that the forum belongs to the community and the community clearly does want some kind of explination
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Bitmixer did mention a government request in their post on the advertising thread.

That was to do with the recent subpoena that theymos recieved regarding information on DPR for the Silk Road case and wasn't anything to do with this as far as I know (though maybe he recieved something else or has been spooked by it (but again, that doesn't answer why just Bitmixer have been denied).
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But if that was the case of legality etc then probably half of the companies who advertise here wouldn't be allowed, not to mention banning ponzis and the like. The site doesn't endorse the adverts themselves (or ponzis) and like Bitmixer himself said their adverts are currently on Google, but maybe theymos knows something we do not and maybe he's not willing to discuss that.
bitmixer did mention a government request in their post on the advertising thread.

Theymos does have an incentive to respond as their bid essentially stopped bidding on forum advertising, so they essentially can essentially stop the forum from realizing revenue.

It may also have something to do with the fact their identity is not known as if some government authority says that they are doing something illegal theymos cannot point to someone elses's identity and say they were the ones behind such illegal acts.

(more speculation) maybe theymos has reason to believe that bitmixer is backed by some government agency
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But if that was the case of legality etc then probably half of the companies who advertise here wouldn't be allowed, not to mention banning ponzis and the like. The site doesn't endorse the adverts themselves (or ponzis) and like Bitmixer himself said their adverts are currently on Google, but maybe theymos knows something we do not and maybe he's not willing to discuss that.
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Does it matter? Its his forum and his liability, he's free to choose what he allows or doesn't in terms of advertising. He doesn't need a concrete reason.

except it's not his forum.
Yes it is. He says that it belongs to the community however from a legal standpoint he does own it. Any decision that he makes here can potentially cause him to have some kind of personal liability. His reasoning for not wanting to accept bitmixer's bid likely has something to do with fear of liability (probably criminal) - at least in my opinion
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Then who's is it? I think theymos is generally considered in charge of running it etc.
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