Topic: Theymos you don't help us, so now close the french board (Read 1185 times)

It's done, we have a moderator ;)

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Edit 16/07 : Of course I never wanted that the french board closed, that was the only way I found to said how many we (I) was tired with the mess in our local section.

Theymos give us halab, we have never vote for him but it was a REAL good decision, 1 week later french local board is clean !

Yeah you might want to read the part of my post you quoted again FH.
Both need a mod but somehow the PS one was found first which seems a bit odd because there were a lot of non-spammers that just moved to serious discussion and the french pdople can't really move out of their board unless they want to pick up another language.

I think he meant that we deserve to have a moderator as much as P&S do. The two sections can have a moderator, he was wondering why it seems important for Theymos to have a moderator for P&S, while he doesn't care for our local board.

The need for a P&S mod and a French Mod are completely irrelevant to each other.  I wasn't promoted to a mod and then assigned P&S over the French board.  I don't believe having a P&S mod reduces or changes in anyway the French board getting a mod.

We definitely  get the whole idea here. To keep that board alive there should be someone who should stepup to keep it alive.

They are right that theymos might not just able to find someone who's willing to support that local section. Since you are already here gaining attention.

Try to apply for being a mod? And start reporting posts that you think does not have any sense at all. That might change theymos's outlook towards that section. As long as you are ready for that responsibility.

I vouch for LeGaulois to be a second French board mod.



Since there is already a mod and not questioning his capability, but considering the responses on this thread, a helping hand, additional support could be useful for one of the most popular boards in local, my opinion.

It's sad to hear this about the French board, just as France is getting bullish on crypto too. Bad timing.
I hope a moderator is elected soon.

+ 1 with JohnUser.

Close the French section, please.

maybe if we win the wold cup we will have a moderator.

But yeah, we are good ! (Russian must be afraid)

With his links, Halab has given great examples of what we have to deal with every day.
I'll give you another one. Do you guys think it's normal that we have to create a thread like this one in order to get rid of fake French translators who poison our board ?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/to-all-bms-here-is-a-list-of-fake-french-translators-help-us-tag-them-4498551

If we had a mod, he would just have to delete the threads. Here, we have to red trust those guys, gather some proof against them and then hope for a DT to check on the situation and tag them. We shouldn't have to do that. And that's only a mere drop in the ocean.
We are not a small community (though more and more French people are leaving), we deserve to be heard.
Just get rid of this useless mod (I can't believe he's getting paid for doing nothing) and promote someone else.

We discussed this in February and names came up.
- LeGaulois (Hero)
- Soy (Legendary) (from July and he asked for several mods)
- JonhUser (for Altcoins sections only)
and maybe more now. Things may have changed since February.

But before giving names, we should know if Theymos agrees to promote moderator(s). Once its GO given, the names will come quickly

General discussion on Bitcoin. Some ideas: "Public viewpoint of Bitcoin", "Depth of bitcoin knowledge of the average user", etc.

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Back to the discussion, here: does the French board have a consensus on who the top two most qualified to-be moderators are?

I know that JohnUser doesn't want to be a moderator, so consider only the ones who are willing.

That went a bit off topic, however, I don't get the point of bitcoin discussion and think it's a bit redundant, can you think of something that fits there that couldn't be put in either Beginners and Help or Development and Technical Discussion?

I never liked the idea of ignoring the problem and just moving somewhere else.

Serious discussion and the Ivory Tower are good. But they should be temporary solutions. There will still be rampant spam in all sections namely Bitcoin Discussion which has devolved to the point where it seems insulting to have such a name. Moderators need to handle things on a more macro level (thread locks/trashing), or there should be more moderators appointed.

We should also have some better proactive measures against spam as the forum scales.

Ah ok.

But it owuld be picked up by theymos if there were a very large number of pending requests.

Yes. But for some reason he hasn't so that's the best alternative I could come up with.

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I'm not entirely sure also why he thought the politics and society board needed a moderator more than the french board, most of the people who didn't want to spam but have relevant topics moved their topics to serious discussion or ivory tow.

Experienced.

Problem being, reporting posts in the French section doesn't lead to results when the moderator doesn't moderate.

It shouldn't have to be this contrived. :/

If the board is at the point where they have to PM global mods to help moderate the section then isn't it a huge red flag to theymos that he should enlist the help of a new moderator?

What is meant by "experimental French users"? If they're newbies and JRs then there's probably not much hope in getting them to be mods full/sr+ might have a chance at it though...


First of all, that was just an example.
Because I asked them that many questions . There was a thread on it, I tried to google it but with no avail.
Accuracy was 99% if I remember rightly and what do you mean by forums, if you mean boards then no one actually really has that data other than Theymos so how would I know? And whenever they registered obvioulsy (2013).

If he doesn't cite them then report them for plagiarism with the relevant links (by PMing a global mod).

@Halab

All the topics created by @Kitcho are translated texts from English news websites to French

Would you like to be do happy if I spoken like to you as this ? Do you want to read about mining swimming pool ?

One example : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--4602345
" S'il vous plaît nous offrir du temps!" if I try to translate it in english : "Please offer we some time". In correct french, we say : please give us some time. We don't offer time.
"Deux tours de simplement envoyer votre adresse à notre compte bitcointalk comme message." => "Two rounds of simply send your adresse to our BCT's account like message"

And more than an example, why do you think french members have created this topic : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/to-all-bms-here-is-a-list-of-fake-french-translators-help-us-tag-them-4404879 ?


It's easy to answer, have a look at : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=13.0

More seriously, you want to get news on the Bitcoin? Don't go on the french Bitcoin news board.
A few days ago, a member decided to flood the Bitcoin news forum. Here's the result:

We told him to stop, he kept going before he heard reason.  

The Daneel ambassador has decided to make one topic per news of his token :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.41522656
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.41334787
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.40997191
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.40759328
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.40678426
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.40321942
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.40321942
It's too hard to create one and only one topic for his token ? Isn't Altcoins board flooded enough already?

You want to buy contraband cigarettes ? Come to the French boards.

You want an example of a non-French-speaking man who comes to do his signature campaign with impunity?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--3167706
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32865369
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32865407
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32865528
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32865575
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32865810
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32865861
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32866084
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32866788
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32867478
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32867629
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32867649
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32866708
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32866522
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32866446
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32866330
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32866389
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32867824
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32867722
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32867885
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32867934
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32868560
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32868584
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32868610
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32868754
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32868776
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32868856
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32868893
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32868928
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32867663
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32868946
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32868972
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32869005
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32869200
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32876234
Is it enough ? I've got plenty more.

Is it still ok for you?


Since when did Shorena start reporting ?
How many forums does he/she report on?
How many posts are there on these boards?
What is its/hers report accuracy?


I started to report in February on the French boards only.
Make a comparison on the number of posts between the English and French boards.
And compare what is comparable.

He doesn't want to be moderator himself. Some experienced () french users of the forum already proposed themselves.

The problem is about +1 year old, we can't go back to 2016-2017 to report all the posts. The French community isn't a big one there is no need to have 1000 reports to show there is a problem in the forum

For now, it doesn't matter anyway. Fuck crypto, WE ARE IN SEMI-FINAL MOTHERFUCKERS !!!

(sorry, I had to)

My point is 500 posts isn't that many, and why didn't you start reporting before that point or did you only keep a record since then?

There are users here like shorena who have reported tens of thousands of posts accurately without any acknowledgement of them (disclaimer: this information was read by me a while ago, it might not be 100% accurate).

What is this?

This might be the issue, Theymos might be waiting for people to report more posts before he has enough data to appoint a moderator - as he didn't seem to have very much data this time last year with only a few reports.

If there are enough unhandled reports then theymos will have to do something, there also doesn't seem to be anyone willing to moderate the board as both you and JohnUser have said that you have put too much effort into reporting posts and if no one is available to take the spot (and we can't magically produce people to moderate a board).

Many users are using the French language without knowing the grammar/vocabulary, as a French we can't really understand what they are trying to say. They're not francophone. Some others are purely using google translate.
But I am giving a few examples of what you can find: How to choose and buy a VPN in the Bitcoin dev. section, Topics about Ripple in the Bitcoin discussion, Airdrop in the Beginner to Bitcoin, introduction members in the News section, spam with referal links about faucets website, scam attempt with users trying to sell a $15 book (you're supposed to make 2 million euros with it) and posting affiliate link with a CPA campaign and so on.... You get the idea now. I am not going to post some links but I can easily find 50 within 10 minutes if needed

I went to your local board, at the bitcoin discussion and all topics were in French there.
Didn't find a single topic in Chinesein this board

Spam is a problem of the forum. Go to the bitcoin discussion board in the main forum. It's 90% spam.
At altcoins discussion it's 100% spam.

Your local board looks ok to me. Everything is in French as it should be. I can't evaluate what they are saying, but I know it's 90% trash as most the forum.

Can you link a board with real problems?

And by doing a topic like this, theymos may be inclined not to help asap...

Generally, spam is spam,  and should be reported. Obviously, I don't know what you are refering to specifically, but if they are spamming to promote their service or what ever then yeah, it's not allowed. An example, would be the ICOs that use spam bots or spam with alt accounts.

You become mad with this. Only thing you can do now is report shitposters on French board.

I hope your are joking.... French are good guys, without moderator we are doing the best.

Busy days for the forum staffs (not defending the staffs). There are other local boards that they don't have moderator/s, when there's something happen in the local board and it's not the moderator's fault. The french local board's mess where it is unbearable is because of the people in the local board itself that doesn't care, if there is, it's not enough for the local board to be manage.

We know that. Theymos explained it to us on February 19.
But five months later, can we find out if for Theymos:
- Everything's going according to plan. Kcud_dab is a good moderator.
- I need a little more time, but you're on the right/bad way.
- Okay, you're right, the situation is no longer bearable, I'll give you an answer soon.

Is that too much to ask?

Look : one year ago I was asking same one : a mod

one year have past, no answer.

don't feed the troll

What about spam promoting them, with unintelligible messages ? We can spam the forum, it's allowed ?

sauterelle ?

sérieux la ?

on a demandé ton avis sauterelle ? we need a mod. legualois, if he accept, would be fine.

By the looks of the previous replies they have been reporting since that comment from theymos. In fact, there's a few users with a lot of unhandled reports. I'm sure theymos will take a look at it again, and base his decision on this. It's not just the fact about who has the highest reports though. Theymos still needs to be able to trust the user to do the job. I see a few members in here seem to think that scams should be reported when in reality scams aren't moderated here on Bitcointalk.

This has been said multiple times now, for a local board admins need to see who is the most active and most accurate reporter so that they could select one. you all are complaining there is no moderator to properly handle the reports, the least you could do is by reporting more and more to convince theymos to pick one of you from the list of reporters.

Ok i will open a new one cause you forget us -+ 200 million people. We invest a lot in ICO. if you want to ban us just do it. Or help us.

New thread on the way !

French need a moderator, we said it 20000 times.

nothing is done. so what ?? close it if you don't care of us.  but do something.

My own reports aren't unhandled, they are rejected.. one of them was for a scam project, with about 5/6 false newbie accounts spaming with google translate to up the thread. Nothing done.

more one thousand ?

I have a life too.


close our board if you don't accept Moderator we need!

I could but I shouldn't have to report the same thing twice to be seen. Personally, I did report the first two pages of each section, if I'm not mistaken. If he doesn't want to moderate then there is nothing we can do. The French forum is currently unbearable and unusable. I even remember a comment that was moderated by... a moderator from another section

Start reporting now, more than 1000 unhandled reports would probably get your name in for becoming a mod, dedication is needed.

The large number of unhandled reports isn't promising indeed. I have the same number of unhandled reports, but 15 times more good reports.

It's a volunteer position, but not entirely unpaid. This is the best indication I've seen, for the Politics & Society section:

We reported maybe 300 posts since, still, almost nothing has been moderated.
Mods are not really paid, they aren't staff they are volunteers

Patient and polite we have been.
I have been hanging around here for a year now and a year ago older french members were already complaining about the situation.
Nothing's changed in a year. So don't talk about respect and politeness.


Yes, you found Theymos' last intervention regarding the "french problem". And if you look at the rest of the topic, you can see that I request updates.
I started reporting since that day. Here are my stats to date: 438 posts with 99% accuracy (215 good, 3 bad, 220 unhandled)
But Theymos is burying his head in the sand like an ostrich.
Some other french members have stopped reporting because nothing move...
So ?

You can have a look at Trust summary for kcud_dab to know what the French community thinks about it.
Last post of our mod : 27 January 2018.
And even one french member did not hesitate to red trust Theymos.
So ?

I recently learned that mods are "paid". I hope our mod doesn't get any more satoshi. Maybe this will change things.

Edit : Arf i'm too slow

You don't understand, we did what theymos said- to report, but nothing has change.

Thanks for your contributions guys. That's interesting and indeed understandable if Theymos judge the need for a new moderator in regard to the number of reports.

First of all, John is pissed to see the french section declining day after day, but he doesn't want to close it! (In case that wasn't clear) There must be about 10 peoples left and a couple of threads alive. A few beginners end up there sometimes... and there are welcomed by an idiot who promotes his shitcoin every single time ! hahaha They never stay long !

The problem has been discussed in the french board many times, it is pretty simple:
1/ Our actual mod isn't doing anything anymore (kcud_dab). I don't know him at all, so he might have been a great mod in the past, but he doesn't do shit now. And I believe he is getting payed for that. Payed to do nothing. May I please become a moderator too ?
Anyway, a new or at least active moderator would help us a bit to clean and maintain things under control in our section. So we wouldn't feel forgotten.

2/ A sub-forum for Altcoins, where the few interesting topics get lost between the amount of ANN and Bounty translations. There aren't so many google translate anymore, after the huge cleaning a couple of weeks ago (See here...) This is really just a bit of organization. Nothing fancy, just something simple:

Altcoins:
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> [ANN/Bounty]
> [Discussion]

And that's pretty much all it would takes.
 
About the reports, I heard people saying that reports weren't handle. See this topic for exemple. I will try to report more from now on. But unfortunately many have already given up.

So if I understand what Welsh and LoyceV are trying to get at, Theymos might not be inclined to give the French section a moderator because the level of reporting there is pretty low.  It's my impression that mods are made out of people who voluntarily report posts over a period of time, and if that section doesn't demonstrate that there's anyone who even has an interest in cleaning it up (despite threads like this) then there's no reason to hire a new mod.

Then again, I think the French board posters have kind of given up reporting posts out of frustration that they don't think the posts are being handled, right?  I seem to recall reading LeGaulois writing that somewhere.  Either way, it sounds like there are some passionate folks there who either could do the job or in any case need a moderator.  I hope you guys get one.
No surprise there.

The last theymos checked within the french local board there were only 6 reporters within the last 90 days, and these were very low reports counts too. Whether, that's improved or not I don't know.

If you don't mind me asking: how many posts did you report?

Meanwhile other nations ask to open their private local board, you French is asking for closing yours. What's the problem? Does the board get used only for complain and searching for help and cause of there is no support from theymos now you do not need it at all?!

This is also the problem of Russian and Chinese boards. I see a lot of complains about this. It would be better if we have specific moderator for each local board.

Amen !


How many years do you define patience ?  We talk about new tech there !

WE, local french board, need a moderator or close it. Nothing else.

Be patient and polite, you will not get what you want this way.

Bump this thread periodically and I believe you will get a moderator soon. Theymos has interest in having french board working, as it increases forums traffic.

Well, time have gone.

We have the worst local board.

We ONLY ask for a moderator, not fort Jesus.

I think a little bit more respect would be a great thing. Calling names was never a method of solving problems. I totally understand it is annoying to have a mess in special boards, in the english section there are also lots of spam posts and it's hard for the few mods to clean this up.

I hope this problem will be solved, so from me too: Bonne chance!

man, did you read what I said ?

i'm tired now, I did my best for french guys.

It's generally not accepted "apply" to become moderator. There has been elections in the past, especially for the local boards. Doesn't mean theymos will listen to the election results though, and may select someone independently. So gathering posts that should be deleted will likely not work towards their favor. It would just be better to report within that section to show theymos that there needs to be a moderator assigned.

I remember you asking about getting a moderator a while ago. My french is to rusty to go through and try and translate the shit posts on the board, but have you considered doing so?

My suggestion is to go and gather say 10 posts that are absolute trash, most likely translated posts. Create a thread that translates those posts as close as possible to English to show a clear example.

I'm surprised that it's such a spam fest in there considering local board posts usually do not count for Sig Campaigns.

Bonne chance.

The French board becomes abandoned since a while because there is no moderation in. Most users left because of this and the ones still here are all asking something done. Most users now are bots or the guys posting ANN topics with google translate, and they use their alt accounts to reply to themselves. You can't even guess what they want to say with their horrible French. An 8 years kid writes better.
It can be too late to add a moderator since it's empty. it's sad, but it's the truth.

We are tired - I'm.

Theymos don't give a shit with us. (local french).

So close it.

We look like Chinese spam board w/o moderator. So yes close it as you (theymos) don't want to give us a moderator. We have enough ask for help.

I'm tired now.