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legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1570
Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
you are wrong!
this is a kangaroo court!
you are guity to proven otherwise.
this it not some highly ethical lawyer shit.
this is angry people who think you have stolen their money.
this is the gun-or-bat people, who does not trust in the any legal system, calling themselves anarchists.
these anarchistic people, will hurt you, if you don't give them their money back.

bitcoin gained popularity not among lawyers, politicians, and highly moral people.
bitcoin gained popularity among people with guns, people who does not respect the law, drugdealers, and other people who can hurt you.

I believe that he, or them behind "he", have no fear of any anarchists. Now, if this were a person in the states, and he was outed out, then he may have reason to be concerned. I, myself, would travel cross-country to stick ONE alpaca sock in his mailbox, letting him know that I know, prior to passing the address along, thus probably not getting more socks in his mailbox--a dead fish comes to mind (and I don't mean sushi).

~Bruno~
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1000
You are WRONG!
you are wrong!
this is a kangaroo court!
you are guity to proven otherwise.
this it not some highly ethical lawyer shit.
this is angry people who think you have stolen their money.
this is the gun-or-bat people, who does not trust in the any legal system, calling themselves anarchists.
these anarchistic people, will hurt you, if you don't give them their money back.

bitcoin gained popularity not among lawyers, politicians, and highly moral people.
bitcoin gained popularity among people with guns, people who does not respect the law, drugdealers, and other people who can hurt you.
hero member
Activity: 761
Merit: 500
Mine Silent, Mine Deep
We don't have all the information, and I'd avoid leaping to conclusions until you know more. Personally I'm staying out of this as I'm not qualified to make judgements and adequate people are already involved.

Genjix, what is Bitcoinica LP doing in all of this? It seems it is possible to recover the majority of funds lost in the last MtGox compromise. Bitcoinica owes it to their customers to make the utmost effort to retrieve these funds which now seem within reach. Please tell me that 'adequate people' includes Bitcoinica LP representatives. So far I have only seen Patrick post funny youtube videos to the statement thread from AurumXchange, MtGox and BitInstant which is aggrevating as a Bitcoinica Customer that has over 30K locked up in Bitcoinica for the last 2.5 months.



donator
Activity: 544
Merit: 500
Stop making a fool of yourself.
I appreciate your advice, but I believe I am perfectly capable of handling myself.

We all know the Bitcoin Consultancy invited you to talk at the London conference.
Bitcoin Consultancy did not invite me, I applied. I have been working on economic research of Bitcoin for over a year. I know genjix from previous Bitcoin meeting/conference so I suppose that might make it a bit easier to apply. From there I also remember genjix talking about his setup, that he stores all his data on one VPS.

However, my relationship with genjix has exactly zero effect on my relationship with Bitcoinica, as I'm one of the biggest Bitcoinica creditors who got nothing back so far.

Did they also hired you to be their spokesman on all other matters?
I am not associated with Bitcoinica. I am actually member of the Bitcoinica Fund Recovery Initiative, a group of creditors attempting to get their deposits back.

However, I am also someone with the urge to point out errors and biases in other people's claims. I can be pretty stubborn and persistent about this.
donator
Activity: 1731
Merit: 1008
... Personally I'm staying out of this as I'm not qualified to make judgements and adequate people are already involved.

Here's an extract from an article I wrote:

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In 1992, Stella Liebeck bought coffee at McDonalds. She spilled the hot drink on herself and later claiming injury against McDonalds because the coffee was too hot, initiated a lawsuit for $1 million. She is the poster child for frivolous litigation in the US.

What I failed to mention is that the coffee was served at over 90 degrees celsius and having suffered 3rd degree burns over 16% of her body, she spent 8 days in hospital for skin grafting and required 2 years of medical treatment. When she asked McDonalds to pay $20k to cover the remaining medical expenses which her insurance wouldn’t cover, they rebuked her with an offer of $800. During the case she offered to settle out of court with them for $20k and later $300k which they refused both times. During the case it was found there were 700 other similar court cases where McDonalds had settled out of court.
Why start a thread only to say : "Personally I'm staying out of this" while it has been Intersango's status-quo for the last 2 months ?

This empty statement is only adding gas to the fire.

The only similarity I found with your McDonald case is that I'd like more than the price of the coffee refunded. And I'd expect that compensation to come from all negligent parties involved.

PS : I have 32 page of new comments about this to go through, What make you think I'd want to read about a McDonald Coffee spill ?
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
I didn't ask the question to you, why would I care about any speculation that comes out of your mouth?
You wonder, yet complain nevertheless. I am afraid you have to resolve this dichotomy yourself.

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You lost a great oportunity to keep your mouth shut.
I don't always address confused statements, but when I do, I prefer to point out the obvious.

Stop making a fool of yourself. We all know the Bitcoin Consultancy invited you to talk at the London conference.
Did they also hired you to be their spokesman on all other matters?
donator
Activity: 544
Merit: 500
I didn't ask the question to you, why would I care about any speculation that comes out of your mouth?
You wonder, yet complain nevertheless. I am afraid you have to resolve this dichotomy yourself.

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You lost a great oportunity to keep your mouth shut.
I don't always address confused statements, but when I do, I prefer to point out the obvious.
hero member
Activity: 868
Merit: 1000
"Selling my name - 2000 BTC:"
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-my-name-2000-btc-2655

"Selling myself."
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-piece-of-ass-2604

Would these still be viable options to cover the funds lost in the 'hacks' ?



legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1008
If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
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What I failed to mention is that the coffee was served at over 90 degrees celsius
Excuse me but where is the problem here? Coffee must be HOT, it's made with boiling water, of course it's 90 degree celsius or more!

Americans, they think their shit is coffee and when someone give them real coffee they go to hospital and sue them  Undecided
sr. member
Activity: 574
Merit: 250
Funny how those very same advocates for this being the "Wild Electronic Frontier" and are all for unregulated freedom to conduct business pretty much any which way they want, all become solid Establishment proles when the worm turns against them.

Not a kangaroo court, but you are shocked when people expect you to follow through on your statements?

Innocent until proven guilty, yet by your own admissions you have not followed any other legal requirement in terms of professional practice, business registration, dispute resolution of fiduciary responsibility?

Not a kangaroo court, but you expect the entire world to abide by your random acts of business ethics, contradictory shell game of ownership, and extend you the ability to just walk away from tens of thousands of dollars in value that you assumed IN TRUST?

Innocent until proven guilty, but you hide behind a fabric on lies, non-communication and outright fabrication when confronted with any factual consideration about your actions, and run to find someone else to blame as the "responsible party" in your organization.

Sorry genny old sport, but you can only have one set of rules to play this game. You either follow the path of law and order and full disclosure- in which case you reported this to the authorities months ago when it first happened, and are using your business insurance to make good on all claims, or you want to play cash money big shot playa in the unregulated world, and you take the consequences of dealing with equally unrestricted, and possibly not quite socially restrained victims of your unethical acts.

Hope you are lawyered up with a good one, and a flak vest. You have pissed in the wrong bowl of breakfast cereal.
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
Genjix is probably not talking because "he stopped yapping and got lawyered up."

Sorry, I don't believe in that.
The concern was first brought up on July 13. He yapped a lot after that date, even to the point of posting the communications he had with Mr. Seale. He carefully avoided answering about the source code leak that points to him.
legendary
Activity: 980
Merit: 1020
Genjix is probably not talking because "he stopped yapping and got lawyered up."
legendary
Activity: 1458
Merit: 1006
OK, genjix. We will leave Zhou Tong be for now.

Let's talk about the Bitcoinica source code you leaked.
So, the encoded file has the exact same thing on the /bitcoinica_legacy/.git/logs/HEAD file
Code:
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 939e877106a5bd479f350adc6d9e4170c62df8f3 genjix 1338505438 +0200 clone: from [email protected]:bitcoinica/bitcoinica_legacy.git

Cloned by Genjix from the bitcoinica private github repo on May 31 2012... Interesting Wink

And look at who packed it... surprise surprise
Code:
drwxr-xr-x genjix/genjix     0 2012-07-07 20:18 bitcoinica_legacy/


Care to explain the above?

I've been wondering about this. Did you (genjix) leak the entire bitcoinica source code? If so, why?
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
Is your (user)name genjix?
Care to explain why I should care about what you think?

I didn't ask the question to you, why would I care about any speculation that comes out of your mouth?

You lost a great oportunity to keep your mouth shut.
donator
Activity: 544
Merit: 500
Is your (user)name genjix?
Care to explain why I should care about what you think?
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
donator
Activity: 544
Merit: 500
Care to explain the above?
That's easy. Someone hacked genjix' VPS.

But why they haven't involved the police is still a mystery to me.
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
davout, I'm having a dejá vu...

So, the encoded file has the exact same thing on the /bitcoinica_legacy/.git/log/HEAD file
Code:
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 939e877106a5bd479f350adc6d9e4170c62df8f3 genjix 1338505438 +0200 clone: from [email protected]:bitcoinica/bitcoinica_legacy.git

Cloned by Genjix from the bitcoinica private github repo on May 31 2012... Interesting Wink

And look at who packed it... surprise surprise
Code:
drwxr-xr-x genjix/genjix     0 2012-07-07 20:18 bitcoinica_legacy/


And again, please genjix you explain this? Everything is falsifiable but ...

He won't explain shit. If he wanted to explain he would've done it by now.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1008
1davout
OK, genjix. We will leave Zhou Tong be for now.

Let's talk about the Bitcoinica source code you leaked.
So, the encoded file has the exact same thing on the /bitcoinica_legacy/.git/logs/HEAD file
Code:
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 939e877106a5bd479f350adc6d9e4170c62df8f3 genjix 1338505438 +0200 clone: from [email protected]:bitcoinica/bitcoinica_legacy.git

Cloned by Genjix from the bitcoinica private github repo on May 31 2012... Interesting Wink

And look at who packed it... surprise surprise
Code:
drwxr-xr-x genjix/genjix     0 2012-07-07 20:18 bitcoinica_legacy/


Care to explain the above?
^ This
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
OK, genjix. We will leave Zhou Tong be for now.

Let's talk about the Bitcoinica source code you leaked.
So, the encoded file has the exact same thing on the /bitcoinica_legacy/.git/logs/HEAD file
Code:
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 939e877106a5bd479f350adc6d9e4170c62df8f3 genjix 1338505438 +0200 clone: from [email protected]:bitcoinica/bitcoinica_legacy.git

Cloned by Genjix from the bitcoinica private github repo on May 31 2012... Interesting Wink

And look at who packed it... surprise surprise
Code:
drwxr-xr-x genjix/genjix     0 2012-07-07 20:18 bitcoinica_legacy/


Care to explain the above?
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