i don't think that pump and dump is always manipulation, buyers and sellers don't know each other and they can buy for whatever they believe and the sellers also sell for their own reason, can happen that the value go high and low because of randomness caused by their decisions
Buyers and sellers does not need to know each other,but manipulation occurs when there is a massive sell order and people who is holding the coins would panic seeing those high sell orders and thinking that the price would crash, people starts selling everything they hold and that is how manipulation works most of the time and a small news would aid in the price movement. 
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I think that often it's not bitcoin that is pumped or dumped.
It's the altcoins, and bitcoin is the center where the money is usually parked.
If an alt gets pumped, the money goes away from btc, and it comes back when the alt is dumped.
It's the altcoins, and bitcoin is the center where the money is usually parked.
If an alt gets pumped, the money goes away from btc, and it comes back when the alt is dumped.
pump and dump is a manipulation of the market and any price resulting from a pump will never stay around which means that would be a fake pump.
if bitcoin was pumped the price would have gone down already, back to $200 level but as you can clearly see if you check some charts, price is not only not going down but also it is rising with much strength. and when in the long run price goes up that means the demand is increasing. in other words bitcoin has real price and it is not pumped.
i don't think that pump and dump is always manipulation, buyers and sellers don't know each other and they can buy for whatever they believe and the sellers also sell for their own reason, can happen that the value go high and low because of randomness caused by their decisions
as i explained and added two links above, going up and down doesn't mean pump and dump. that is a bigger rise and a rise without a logical reason.
pump doesn't have to be verbal either. there are so many different ways of manipulation, the most obvious one is the verbal advertising it like what ethereum does every now and then to pump it.
maybe my English is bad!!!, read those links, you will understand it easeir.
I think that often it's not bitcoin that is pumped or dumped.
It's the altcoins, and bitcoin is the center where the money is usually parked.
If an alt gets pumped, the money goes away from btc, and it comes back when the alt is dumped.
It's the altcoins, and bitcoin is the center where the money is usually parked.
If an alt gets pumped, the money goes away from btc, and it comes back when the alt is dumped.
pump and dump is a manipulation of the market and any price resulting from a pump will never stay around which means that would be a fake pump.
if bitcoin was pumped the price would have gone down already, back to $200 level but as you can clearly see if you check some charts, price is not only not going down but also it is rising with much strength. and when in the long run price goes up that means the demand is increasing. in other words bitcoin has real price and it is not pumped.
i don't think that pump and dump is always manipulation, buyers and sellers don't know each other and they can buy for whatever they believe and the sellers also sell for their own reason, can happen that the value go high and low because of randomness caused by their decisions
thing with the seller might be already gaining enough profits or they have some personal reason why selling what they have, in the case of btc for me its already have value inside investors mind so we will continue seeing the fluctuation and enjoy the system.
I think that often it's not bitcoin that is pumped or dumped.
It's the altcoins, and bitcoin is the center where the money is usually parked.
If an alt gets pumped, the money goes away from btc, and it comes back when the alt is dumped.
It's the altcoins, and bitcoin is the center where the money is usually parked.
If an alt gets pumped, the money goes away from btc, and it comes back when the alt is dumped.
pump and dump is a manipulation of the market and any price resulting from a pump will never stay around which means that would be a fake pump.
if bitcoin was pumped the price would have gone down already, back to $200 level but as you can clearly see if you check some charts, price is not only not going down but also it is rising with much strength. and when in the long run price goes up that means the demand is increasing. in other words bitcoin has real price and it is not pumped.
i don't think that pump and dump is always manipulation, buyers and sellers don't know each other and they can buy for whatever they believe and the sellers also sell for their own reason, can happen that the value go high and low because of randomness caused by their decisions
I think that often it's not bitcoin that is pumped or dumped.
It's the altcoins, and bitcoin is the center where the money is usually parked.
If an alt gets pumped, the money goes away from btc, and it comes back when the alt is dumped.
It's the altcoins, and bitcoin is the center where the money is usually parked.
If an alt gets pumped, the money goes away from btc, and it comes back when the alt is dumped.
pump and dump is a manipulation of the market and any price resulting from a pump will never stay around which means that would be a fake pump.
if bitcoin was pumped the price would have gone down already, back to $200 level but as you can clearly see if you check some charts, price is not only not going down but also it is rising with much strength. and when in the long run price goes up that means the demand is increasing. in other words bitcoin has real price and it is not pumped.
I thought a pump was just a mere word that tells it is increasing. So that deepens it.
I dont really think like that in bitcoin, It is more of making people buy bitcoin then make the demands go higher to make the value also bigger. Dont mind if it is a pump or a dump as long I see it back to the price that I want. If not, then hold again.
This increase tells me that those who panicked from the fall to just $900+ are getting back their coins which is a lost to them.
yeah, pump has a specific meaning in economics.
you can read these two:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump_and_dump
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/pumpanddump.asp
i like this deffinition from investopedia:
Pump and dump is a scheme that attempts to boost the price of a stock through recommendations based on false, misleading or greatly exaggerated statements.
it is exactly defining what has been happening in altcoin market.
I think that often it's not bitcoin that is pumped or dumped.
It's the altcoins, and bitcoin is the center where the money is usually parked.
If an alt gets pumped, the money goes away from btc, and it comes back when the alt is dumped.
It's the altcoins, and bitcoin is the center where the money is usually parked.
If an alt gets pumped, the money goes away from btc, and it comes back when the alt is dumped.
pump and dump is a manipulation of the market and any price resulting from a pump will never stay around which means that would be a fake pump.
if bitcoin was pumped the price would have gone down already, back to $200 level but as you can clearly see if you check some charts, price is not only not going down but also it is rising with much strength. and when in the long run price goes up that means the demand is increasing. in other words bitcoin has real price and it is not pumped.
I thought a pump was just a mere word that tells it is increasing. So that deepens it.
I dont really think like that in bitcoin, It is more of making people buy bitcoin then make the demands go higher to make the value also bigger. Dont mind if it is a pump or a dump as long I see it back to the price that I want. If not, then hold again.
This increase tells me that those who panicked from the fall to just $900+ are getting back their coins which is a lost to them.
I think that often it's not bitcoin that is pumped or dumped.
It's the altcoins, and bitcoin is the center where the money is usually parked.
If an alt gets pumped, the money goes away from btc, and it comes back when the alt is dumped.
It's the altcoins, and bitcoin is the center where the money is usually parked.
If an alt gets pumped, the money goes away from btc, and it comes back when the alt is dumped.
pump and dump is a manipulation of the market and any price resulting from a pump will never stay around which means that would be a fake pump.
if bitcoin was pumped the price would have gone down already, back to $200 level but as you can clearly see if you check some charts, price is not only not going down but also it is rising with much strength. and when in the long run price goes up that means the demand is increasing. in other words bitcoin has real price and it is not pumped.
I think that often it's not bitcoin that is pumped or dumped.
It's the altcoins, and bitcoin is the center where the money is usually parked.
If an alt gets pumped, the money goes away from btc, and it comes back when the alt is dumped.
It's the altcoins, and bitcoin is the center where the money is usually parked.
If an alt gets pumped, the money goes away from btc, and it comes back when the alt is dumped.
it shows that bitcoin is so volatile and its price can drop so suddenly and the price of bitcoins could go up so rapidly . we can conclude at this poiint that lets assume we are sleeping the whole night and in the morning we can expect that the price of bitcoins could go as low as possible,well then it will be the best time for buyers.
It can be the opposite way too, sleeping the whole night and in the morning we might see btc price pumped 2X or more or with a huge difference that's what every holder is waiting for in my opinion and if that time comes surely it will go back to original price or a dump presenting an opportunity to buy cheaper bitcoins. It does not show only how volatile bitcoin's market is but it also shows that many transactions really do happen in bitcoin resulting for a huge pump or dump to occur.
it shows that bitcoin is so volatile and its price can drop so suddenly and the price of bitcoins could go up so rapidly . we can conclude at this poiint that lets assume we are sleeping the whole night and in the morning we can expect that the price of bitcoins could go as low as possible,well then it will be the best time for buyers.
1 btc = 10K at the end of the year, and 100 K at in 2020. Confirmed. No i dont use facts , look at the f**king chart
Only if the fear exists...right now there is no fear of missing out. How does the initial rise get triggered to send waves of fear (of missing out) through the market place around the world?
All we need is a whale to make a big order and the price could move. Some big investors who wanted to invest in the ETF could decide to buy bitcoins directly. This would fuel a self sustaining rally.
More whales are migrating to the altcoin right now. At the same, the useless argue about the scalability of bitcoin still continue.
haha, what a funny comment.
dude you know nothing about how market works
"whales being tired" that is the most meaningless comment i have read in a long time. a trader who is tired of trading, quits trading and goes on a vacation. others who are still trading, pause their bitcoin trading and go join the altcoin pumps and make more money to come back to bitcoin even stronger.
and everyone actually wants you to believe they have given up so that you sell your coins cheap (like the 900 range) and then buy it back from them at higher prices (like 1300)
it did also show, today the tree is shaken harder then normal. Market is being played harder today, a spike and then 1 hour later the price is going back to where it started.
Thinking that we will reach 10k in matter of days is just impossible even if ETF gets approved and hype kicks in at higher gear it will not happen. highest we will go based on a yes will be 1500-1800USD and that is not bad if we can keep that level for couple of months and build support
when viewed as a whole in my opinion is starting to be seen a significant increase. The most needed now is the consistency of the movement of the prices bitcoin steady rise . Thinking that we will reach 10k in matter of days is just impossible even if ETF gets approved and hype kicks in at higher gear it will not happen. highest we will go based on a yes will be 1500-1800USD and that is not bad if we can keep that level for couple of months and build support
1 btc = 10K at the end of the year, and 100 K at in 2020. Confirmed. No i dont use facts , look at the f**king chart
Only if the fear exists...right now there is no fear of missing out. How does the initial rise get triggered to send waves of fear (of missing out) through the market place around the world?
All we need is a whale to make a big order and the price could move. Some big investors who wanted to invest in the ETF could decide to buy bitcoins directly. This would fuel a self sustaining rally.
More whales are migrating to the altcoin right now. At the same, the useless argue about the scalability of bitcoin still continue.
1 btc = 10K at the end of the year, and 100 K at in 2020. Confirmed. No i dont use facts , look at the f**king chart
Only if the fear exists...right now there is no fear of missing out. How does the initial rise get triggered to send waves of fear (of missing out) through the market place around the world?
All we need is a whale to make a big order and the price could move. Some big investors who wanted to invest in the ETF could decide to buy bitcoins directly. This would fuel a self sustaining rally.
More whales are migrating to the altcoin right now. At the same, the useless argue about the scalability of bitcoin still continue.
1 btc = 10K at the end of the year, and 100 K at in 2020. Confirmed. No i dont use facts , look at the f**king chart
Only if the fear exists...right now there is no fear of missing out. How does the initial rise get triggered to send waves of fear (of missing out) through the market place around the world?
All we need is a whale to make a big order and the price could move. Some big investors who wanted to invest in the ETF could decide to buy bitcoins directly. This would fuel a self sustaining rally.
none of these are needed for a rise. just let the pumping phase end in the altcoin markets and then watch bitcoin price move up to the moon.
all the money has gone into the altcoin market and it is being doubled every couple of days and that money will come back to bitcoin in a short while because we are reaching the end of the phase. and when it comes back, the accumulation below $1100 is also going to be over and price will start rising.
1 btc = 10K at the end of the year, and 100 K at in 2020. Confirmed. No i dont use facts , look at the f**king chart
Only if the fear exists...right now there is no fear of missing out. How does the initial rise get triggered to send waves of fear (of missing out) through the market place around the world?
All we need is a whale to make a big order and the price could move. Some big investors who wanted to invest in the ETF could decide to buy bitcoins directly. This would fuel a self sustaining rally.
Don't know how much FOMO there was whilst plummeting from $1300 to $870 or wherever it was that we dropped down to before rebounding. I agree that the market can be moved by big players and concerted effort(s) by a lot of different little players. The market is relatively small, but it's bigger than your average penny stock (I think).
1 btc = 10K at the end of the year, and 100 K at in 2020. Confirmed. No i dont use facts , look at the f**king chart
Only if the fear exists...right now there is no fear of missing out. How does the initial rise get triggered to send waves of fear (of missing out) through the market place around the world?
HODL, MOFO's gonna have FOMO and then we CCMF
Usually when people create threads about moon and MOFO then it is a sign of a correction sooner or later, and all because of a rise of a few dozen of dollars
I would be careful now and I expect at least one more drop in the $900 and $800 in the next 2 or 3 months, then true recovery, unless something unexpected happens
I would be careful now and I expect at least one more drop in the $900 and $800 in the next 2 or 3 months, then true recovery, unless something unexpected happens
mother fucker
FOMO MOFO
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