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Quote from: Ojima-ojo on May 23, 2024, 05:25:13 PM

I have noticed an usual trends lately in the discussions board most especially Bitcoin discussion, gambling discussion etc, members rush to make a short comment just to reserve the first spot on the page, and after a while coming to edit it with the full text, this make no sense to me, and no signature campaign demands that you must be first to comment at least none that I know.

The effects of this is that, it limits readers from seeing your original thoughts on the topic because at first glance you see something like straight forward answer like (really), and when edited to contain the full text the reader may not come back to that thread again.

This happens mostly with those in signature campaign and I think there is need for readjustment, no need reserving comments space to appear on the first page.

If there is any thread on this issue already please let me know to lock this one.

To say that I've also come across some trend of posts related to their Short inputs just like you've said, It feels awful that lot of forum members are adaptive to Shortcut their threads in a half of incomplete with a logic of saving stresses and also stocking posts where they can just come back again to continue with it just because they want to meet up with post counts. Most especially ones in campaign.
I've also understand that other Forum members too who're not interested of reading through lengthy texts are cause of it because While I've been in the forum for awhile now, I observed that lengthy topic threads are hardly to have forum members complying to read and reply them even though it has qualities and making such posts feels discouraging because your efforts spent to create the thread that users ain't finding useful feels bad.
JJG has been a lot of good inspiration towards keeping quality posts without undermining the threads size.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on May 25, 2024, 12:14:17 AM

It's not for signature campaign requirement but for merit IMO. There are few members who always likes to engage in discussion before anyone else so that their contents are visible to the most visitors and they can increase their chances to receive merit. You can always read their post later when you revisit the topic. I do not see anything wrong about it.

Thanks man, but going back to such posts may be a pain in the ass because with the first replies you already got discouraged from reading their opinions on the subject matter, I think it may have some bad impact on the reader and also anyone who comment below them, since if the answer to what you already answered when the edit they comments, it render your own comment useless since it will sound and look like a repeatations of what they said, but when you made the comment they only reserved a space and you don't know they intentions at that point.

Campaign manager like yourself can help clean up such comments, by always taking a second look at edited posts and checking the first comment before they edited and not pay such posts, that way they will be discouraged from such practice.

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The edited time will only show after a certain time have passed otherwise there will be no sign or indicator that it is edited. Let's use this post (my post) where I posted it and then edited within the time limit then you won't be able to see it but after the time limit then you will be able to see the last time that the post is edited and there's ninjastic.space to know the original post before it is edited. It is clearly a way for to earn merits since it is their post that will be shown right away and when you read it then it's like they really have vast knowledge about it.

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Quote from: Ojima-ojo on May 23, 2024, 05:25:13 PM

I have noticed an usual trends lately in the discussions board most especially Bitcoin discussion, gambling discussion etc, members rush to make a short comment just to reserve the first spot on the page, and after a while coming to edit it with the full text, this make no sense to me, and no signature campaign demands that you must be first to comment at least none that I know.

The effects of this is that, it limits readers from seeing your original thoughts on the topic because at first glance you see something like straight forward answer like (really), and when edited to contain the full text the reader may not come back to that thread again.

This happens mostly with those in signature campaign and I think there is need for readjustment, no need reserving comments space to appear on the first page.

If there is any thread on this issue already please let me know to lock this one.

I have seen things like this happen before, & I'm not exactly sure why someone would really want to do this other than just being able to quickly go back into their recent posts in their profile page to then go back and edit their comment quickly to add whatever other additional information that they would need.

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Quote from: Hyphen(-) on May 25, 2024, 04:53:13 PM

Mostly it is because of merits.
Some users like doing first to reply just for merits, while some just to be the first person to give the first response in the thread so as to take credit of whatever merit any merit sources wishes to give.

Once the favoritism in merit sources was exposed, Theymos really should have decentralized that. Issue merits automatically based on overall demand and your activity. A first year university student could code this, if they hadn't lost their way on greed avenue. Tongue

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Quote from: Ojima-ojo on May 23, 2024, 05:25:13 PM

This happens mostly with those in signature campaign and I think there is need for readjustment, no need reserving comments space to appear on the first page.

Mostly it is because of merits.
Some users like doing first to reply just for merits, while some just to be the first person to give the first response in the thread so as to take credit of whatever merit any merit sources wishes to give.

Sometimes, it is because of the campaign just as you said, many users who are promoting a good paying campaign that requested them to be posting in the first page or that said they don’t want posts after five pages will be eager to reply.

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This isn't new, I had seen a couple of times when those users were removed from the campaign for being involved in such activity. And if they do is to avoid the post-bursting rule in their campaign so they reserve some posts here and there and come back and edit all those posts in a day or two so they will get paid for that week.

If this becomes their post habit then they should change it cause it doesn't do anything good for the campaign nor the thread. Still, sometimes I do too while I am on my mobile wanted to reply but due to my fat finger can't write everything in detail so I came back and edit as soon as possible when I am on my PC if I didn't make things clear in my previous comment. Still, it happens on very rare occasions though.

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Exactly and it is not all about reserving spot for later comment but to meet up the time as you said. There some managers does not count posts from the 5 page of a thread so they would like to appear at the first and the second page of the thread and not to make competition with anyone to appear on the first page. That is my observation of those guys.
Op since you have seen such posts, it would have been better for you to drop the link or quote the user.

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Quote from: Ojima-ojo on May 23, 2024, 05:25:13 PM

I have noticed an usual trends lately in the discussions board most especially Bitcoin discussion, gambling discussion etc, members rush to make a short comment just to reserve the first spot on the page, and after a while coming to edit it with the full text, this make no sense to me, and no signature campaign demands that you must be first to comment at least none that I know.

The effects of this is that, it limits readers from seeing your original thoughts on the topic because at first glance you see something like straight forward answer like (really), and when edited to contain the full text the reader may not come back to that thread again.

This happens mostly with those in signature campaign and I think there is need for readjustment, no need reserving comments space to appear on the first page.

If there is any thread on this issue already please let me know to lock this one.

I think this is just standard old-school forum culture. It's kind of like evading taxes because there's laws in place that let you if you do it the right way. It's just part of the game we all play here sometimes, no?

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Quote from: Cantsay on May 23, 2024, 05:46:43 PM

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edit: I found the thread where the user got called out "@Cantsay - possible abuse of merits + alt accounts", I Know the title of the thread is about a possible merit abuse but if you read the whole thread you'll see what I am talking about.

I knew this was going to happen when I say the title of the thread. At first I thought it was okay to do (because I saw others doing it too) but after those replies and the advice I got from @_acts_ and some other members I realized that it was a stupid practice. Since then I have stopped doing it and if I’m not done with whatever I want to post I won’t click on “post” no matter what.

I could say I haven't noticed this, at least not in this regard but, after going through your comment and the few comments up there, especially with you saying you saw others doing it and copied the posting habit, it only adds some credit to the OP whom has been very concerned about this observation to warrant a thread on it.

What k think I've found in some cases is users having to make a post with no significant work load seconds to the daily set deadline for an individual campaign and most campaigns do follow UTC time hence, its not uncommon to find this happening around 11:59pm by forum time, only for them to come back and edit to add more content. It's bad but these things happens.

These two behaviors are related and should be avoided.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on May 25, 2024, 12:53:32 AM

And after this restriction implemented, a genuine user who want to update his thread by adding more information will not able to do it.

I'm no longer that active on the Bitcoin Discussion board, but last time I checked, most thread starters rarely update their threads on the board in question... Regardless of that, they can still utilize link-shortening services to point users to their other posts:

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on May 25, 2024, 12:14:17 AM

Quote from: Ojima-ojo on May 23, 2024, 05:25:13 PM

I have noticed an usual trends lately in the discussions board most especially Bitcoin discussion, gambling discussion etc, members rush to make a short comment just to reserve the first spot on the page, and after a while coming to edit it with the full text, this make no sense to me, and no signature campaign demands that you must be first to comment at least none that I know.

It's not for signature campaign requirement but for merit IMO. There are few members who always likes to engage in discussion before anyone else so that their contents are visible to the most visitors and they can increase their chances to receive merit. You can always read their post later when you revisit the topic. I do not see anything wrong about it.

Even if some users engage in this practice just for their replies to be visible and possibly gain merit, isn't it when the reply is of good quality and give a relevant information or answer to the OP and must it be every quality posts or replies that must attract merits. IMO it's just a childish act because each boards have moderators and they settle down to read each replies of every users and can come across a good post that deserves merit and awards it even at the last page. It is very bad that most users don't even read other people's replies before they include their own if not someone with generous heart even if they are not merit sources can come across quality posts and awards merit to it if they have SMerits.

For sure there's nothing wrong in making a post and editing it later to give a complete context but it is not a good practice IMO except if it is the OP that reserves it for later or future update

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on May 25, 2024, 12:28:20 AM

The OPs and the first comments in a thread tend to get more merit than those in the following pages but in this case I doubt what you say because the OP (of this thread) says he has noticed this mostly in BD and GD sections, where not much merit is usually given out (in the case of GD almost never).

I usually visit almost all boards of the forum and I noticed it's same for any board. It comes from the highly active users but like I said it's not a crime. In fact, a good thing imo that they are keeping the forum busy all the time. It creates a competition and let others to stay in the race with them. It's a net positive for the forum.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on May 25, 2024, 12:14:17 AM

It's not for signature campaign requirement but for merit IMO. There are few members who always likes to engage in discussion before anyone else so that their contents are visible to the most visitors and they can increase their chances to receive merit. You can always read their post later when you revisit the topic. I do not see anything wrong about it.

You are right, some people think that they tend to have higher chances of getting merits if they manage to make the first post in a thread because whatever they might write would be new and no one else would have used their points already. However, I wonder how this would work if they are not writing their points at first and others might write what they wanted to write before they come back and make the edit.

There is one more thing coming to my mind, maybe they don't write anything, keep watching the thread and the replies to gather ideas, and then compile a response that they write in their post by editing it. This will make it look like they have written those points before the others which wouldn't make them look like they are copying others but others would seem like they have copied from that poster since his post is the very first in the thread. Roll Eyes

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The best solution is create a new thread in Reputation section and report the user, if you say you don't want to get involved into drama, it will not change. You only have two options: do it or eat it.

Advice won't change people, they need to receive warning or punishment.

Quote from: SFR10 on May 24, 2024, 09:19:22 AM

I believe a character limit of +20 to +50 would be more than enough for editing such things and at the same time, it prevents those users from adding complete answers to their posts.

And after this restriction implemented, a genuine user who want to update his thread by adding more information will not able to do it.

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I haven't seen it yet but I dont see the essence like they are reserving a post in a newly created thread, or they just want to consider those as count to their signatures?

Quote from: hosseinimr93 on May 23, 2024, 06:08:26 PM

Some times, I need to edit my posts to fix typos.

Actually, it is just okay if there are some typos, or you just make a realization to add some information with the use case of the edit but if the post is just one-liner I don't see the point of it. [_{if this kind of post op talking about}].

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on May 25, 2024, 12:14:17 AM

It's not for signature campaign requirement but for merit IMO. There are few members who always likes to engage in discussion before anyone else so that their contents are visible to the most visitors and they can increase their chances to receive merit. You can always read their post later when you revisit the topic. I do not see anything wrong about it.

The OPs and the first comments in a thread tend to get more merit than those in the following pages but in this case I doubt what you say because the OP (of this thread) says he has noticed this mostly in BD and GD sections, where not much merit is usually given out (in the case of GD almost never).

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Quote from: Ojima-ojo on May 23, 2024, 05:25:13 PM

I have noticed an usual trends lately in the discussions board most especially Bitcoin discussion, gambling discussion etc, members rush to make a short comment just to reserve the first spot on the page, and after a while coming to edit it with the full text, this make no sense to me, and no signature campaign demands that you must be first to comment at least none that I know.

It's not for signature campaign requirement but for merit IMO. There are few members who always likes to engage in discussion before anyone else so that their contents are visible to the most visitors and they can increase their chances to receive merit. You can always read their post later when you revisit the topic. I do not see anything wrong about it.

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When I joined this forum first i began to notice it but it was with members of higher ranks like Snr.members, Full members to Hero members who did this the most but since it wasn't a member of my caliber I was disturbed till it got to day when I was almost being the first to comment on a thread then I do this "Re" or "Reserve" then after I posted mine this user came back to edit and also took ideas from my post.

I wasn't angry over it in the main time till one merit source merit the post and skipped the original post which was mine and I got pissed although it was because someone go accolades for my idea but I moved on.
It didn't stop there, the user and few others kept doing it till a time, I didn't see them again till date. Maybe they got queried for it in the reputation board.

But it's absolutely not nice in general to indulge in such act living the others look like they are just copy or paraphrasing the first post meanwhile it's the other way round.

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Quote from: Ojima-ojo on May 23, 2024, 05:25:13 PM

I have noticed an usual trends lately in the discussions board most especially Bitcoin discussion, gambling discussion etc, members rush to make a short comment just to reserve the first spot on the page, and after a while coming to edit it with the full text, this make no sense to me, and no signature campaign demands that you must be first to comment at least none that I know.

It's not an unusual trend as that has been happening for a long time before now... I mean, why would you wanna fight to reserve a spot on a newly posted thread? No matter if it takes you 30 minutes to finish a single post, you'll however have a spot on the first page.

Quote from: robelneo on May 23, 2024, 06:01:41 PM

[...] add a feature where you need to wait a specific time before you can edit your post I think a 15 minutes waiting time is good to avoid this practice.

I don't think that'll be a good idea since one could decide to merge a reply from another post, without allowing too much time. There could also be a time you wanna add an extra content on the previous post without showing as though it's been edited already.

I only edit my post on purpose; maybe if I have a little typo or I'd need to search for some function or link whatsoever!.

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