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Ojima-ojo

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Quote from: Lucius on May 24, 2024, 05:11:35 AM

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This need to stop

You think it will stop because you opened a topic in Meta, without mentioning those who do it? 90% of those who do such things probably never visit this board, and until you open a topic in Reputation and post their names, they will continue with their dirty games.

I can only say to all those who see such posts not to reward them with merits.

Well I thought it has not gotten to that level where I mentioned names of those that are involved in such thing's, reason is that, we are still experiencing this trends in a minimal level and if you check the few set of members that engage in such posting habits are just less cycle so we can easily warn them in private and then open a public thread to warn others who may admir such posting patterns.

One or two of those users already commented and said they have changed and that is ok to some extent, but if the trend continues then we may not have other chioce than to mention name or posting evidences.

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Quote from: Moreno233 on May 23, 2024, 05:58:57 PM

As long as there is an edit button, I don't think there is anything the admin can do about this,

You have a point but if it continues like this, perhaps theymos would reconsider the decision to have an edit button on boards with such activities ^{[e.g. Auctions board doesn't have it (IIRC, there's no delete button as well)]}.

Quote from: hosseinimr93 on May 23, 2024, 06:08:26 PM

Some times, I need to edit my posts to fix typos.

I believe a character limit of +20 to +50 would be more than enough for editing such things and at the same time, it prevents those users from adding complete answers to their posts.

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Ops I use to think that the forum is not against that, since there is no where the rule mentioned such actions as unacceptable, but seeing this thread and reading others replies I am now clear about what that act stands for and from here on I will start reporting such posts to be deleted.

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This need to stop

You think it will stop because you opened a topic in Meta, without mentioning those who do it? 90% of those who do such things probably never visit this board, and until you open a topic in Reputation and post their names, they will continue with their dirty games.

I can only say to all those who see such posts not to reward them with merits.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on May 23, 2024, 06:53:50 PM

Quote from: Nwada001 on May 23, 2024, 05:34:22 PM

For the record, editing a post and rushing to be in the first comment are not only with those in the signature campaign; they are characters of those who believe the first comment always attracts merit; they might not even be in the signature yet or have enough rank to be in one.

Your comment is the first comment, and see how many merits you have earned from it?
The first reply to the topic is usually the reply that all readers get to see first that is why there is a higher chance of it earning some merits. This has motivated some people to set notifications to get notified as soon as a new topic is started in a board they are interested in so they can be the first or among the first to make a comment. I do not think it is bad, but it is the method of posting half and incomplete replies just to reserve space that is bad, and has to stop.

If you write a lot of garbage on the first line, it won't earn you any merit unless it's worth it, therefore I don't think it gives you a merit edge. However, it does give you more visibility, especially if you're wearing a signature. Nevertheless, securing a space on the first line with a two-liner garbage in order to gain the top spot and then editing it after reading other comments is a terrible attitude.

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I noticed this on beginners & help board before but it has stopped. I am active on gambling board but I do not notice it. I do not think you are correct about the gambling board. You can bring evidence.

Quote from: Ojima-ojo on May 23, 2024, 05:25:13 PM

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noticed an usual trends lately in the discussions board most especially Bitcoin discussion, gambling discussion etc, members rush to make a short comment just to reserve the first spot on the page, and after a while coming to edit it with the full text, this make no sense to me, and no signature campaign demands that you must be first to comment at least none that I know.

I have seen this before and I created a thread about it. The user PM to lease lock the thread but I later decided to lock it. That was the last time I saw the person did it. If you notice anything like this, you can easily use ninjastic.space to get the original post of the person which is enough as an evidence and post it on reputation board.

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Quote from: Nwada001 on May 24, 2024, 01:20:06 AM

Me too. I always see the edited part visible when browsing on mobile, but for PC, there is always a little dot... close to the time that the post was posted, and if you move your cursor and place it on the dot, you will see the time that it was last edited. That's for posts that were edited not earlier than 10 minutes after they were posted.

Ah yes, I totally forgot that you can see edited time like that that lol. Thanks!

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Quote from: Rikafip on May 24, 2024, 01:16:17 AM

Quote from: hosseinimr93 on May 23, 2024, 06:08:26 PM

The last edit time is displayed, unless the post has been edited in the first 10 minutes.

For whatever reason I can only see edit time when browing on my mobile phone and not while on PC.

Me too. I always see the edited part visible when browsing on mobile, but for PC, there is always a little dot... close to the time that the post was posted, and if you move your cursor and place it on the dot, you will see the time that it was last edited. That's for posts that were edited not earlier than 10 minutes after they were posted.

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Quote from: Nwada001 on May 23, 2024, 05:34:22 PM

For the record, editing a post and rushing to be in the first comment are not only with those in the signature campaign; they are characters of those who believe the first comment always attracts merit; they might not even be in the signature yet or have enough rank to be in one.

While early posts don't always attract merit, It is true though that earlier posts (given that they are of decent quality) have higher chances of getting merit so that tactic makes sense, from a merit farmer point of view of course.

Quote from: hosseinimr93 on May 23, 2024, 06:08:26 PM

The last edit time is displayed, unless the post has been edited in the first 10 minutes.

For whatever reason I can only see edit time when browing on my mobile phone and not while on PC.

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Usually, I try to immediately send reports to the moderator about the low value of the post if I see such “reserved” posts. It would be good if the moderators also deleted the posts of such cunning people, seeing that some time has passed and the post has been edited. This will be a good lesson. In the same way, there are “craftsmen” who quote the posts of other users, leaving the appearance of an incorrect quote, and soon return to writing their posts. Previously, some accounts were tagged. I would also like to pay attention to this behavior and delete posts that also have a time difference in posting.

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Quote from: Nwada001 on May 23, 2024, 05:34:22 PM

For the record, editing a post and rushing to be in the first comment are not only with those in the signature campaign; they are characters of those who believe the first comment always attracts merit; they might not even be in the signature yet or have enough rank to be in one.

Your comment is the first comment, and see how many merits you have earned from it?
The first reply to the topic is usually the reply that all readers get to see first that is why there is a higher chance of it earning some merits. This has motivated some people to set notifications to get notified as soon as a new topic is started in a board they are interested in so they can be the first or among the first to make a comment. I do not think it is bad, but it is the method of posting half and incomplete replies just to reserve space that is bad, and has to stop.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on May 23, 2024, 06:08:26 PM

Quote from: robelneo on May 23, 2024, 06:01:41 PM

admin if they want to do so can add a feature where you need to wait a specific time before you can edit your post I think a 15 minutes waiting time is good to avoid this practice.

I don't agree with this. It should be possible to edit the post from the first second after the post is made. I have edited many of my posts in a short time after submitting them for good reasons. Some times, I need to edit my posts to fix typos.

Some forums are already doing this and some forums are asking about the reasons why you edit your post this practice is already rampant on other forums so members will use the preview feature to see what their post will look like before they hit the post button anyway it's just a suggestion, but this cheating practice will continue until the one who keeps doing this gets a warning.

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If possible, OP please report those who are doing such a thing. We will be able to see from archive sites like loyce.club or Ninjastic.space (at least they can beat these sites) if the people who hastily edited the posts did it in good faith or just for their signature spam.

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Quote from: Ojima-ojo on May 23, 2024, 05:25:13 PM

The effects of this is that, it limits readers from seeing your original thoughts on the topic because at first glance you see something like straight forward answer like (really), and when edited to contain the full text the reader may not come back to that thread again.

Not only that, it also lays an impression that the person is not confident of himself to deliver what can be reckoned as quality and sensible. And instead of allowing those that can start up the comments with something proper while they go on thinking on what to contribute they just chose to reserve with a word or two.

People that are with such habit are only creating a mode of self inferiority to themselves cause there's nothing special being in the first page of thread.

Newbies are also watching and they might follow suit thinking they have learnt something smart and good not knowing it's a bad thread responding pattern.

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Quote from: robelneo on May 23, 2024, 06:01:41 PM

admin if they want to do so can add a feature where you need to wait a specific time before you can edit your post I think a 15 minutes waiting time is good to avoid this practice.

I don't agree with this. It should be possible to edit the post from the first second after the post is made. I have edited many of my posts in a short time after submitting them for good reasons. Some times, I need to edit my posts to fix typos.

Quote from: robelneo on May 23, 2024, 06:01:41 PM

Or they can add a feature where people can see a notification that the post has been edited.

The last edit time is displayed, unless the post has been edited in the first 10 minutes.

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I don't want to lay finger on anyone but I have come across about 3 members who usually exhibit this kind of writing attitude. They make the second comment looks like it was copied from theirs while they were the ones that did not really give a complete information on their first (short) comment which they will later edit.

This is very annoying and such attitude clearly shows that those users are only phishing for merit. Some users also have the habit of putting "Reserve" In a topic they are not the OP and the reason for such reserve is so they can be on the first role comment. It's a bad attitude and should be stopped.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on May 23, 2024, 05:42:48 PM

Quote from: Nwada001 on May 23, 2024, 05:34:22 PM

The person who might have commented after it might add some relevant information like links that are necessary for the topic, and if the second person also has the same link and content, it might now appear as if the person who commented second copied or repeated the answer of the first member who dropped the comment when it was the other way around, confusing the reader of who honestly dropped a solid explanation to something.

This has happened to me several times.
Someone makes the first reply with a short answer and then I make the second reply to give a more detailed answer to OP. Once I submit my post, I see the first reply has been edited and now it's like that I have repeated the same thing. Sometimes, I decide to delete my post, because it doesn't really add anything to the thread.

It is called stealing other people's ideas it makes your post redundant because the guy edited the post and stole your idea, admin if they want to do so can add a feature where you need to wait a specific time before you can edit your post I think a 15 minutes waiting time is good to avoid this practice.
Or they can add a feature where people can see a notification that the post has been edited.

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Quote from: Ojima-ojo on May 23, 2024, 05:25:13 PM

I have noticed an usual trends lately in the discussions board most especially Bitcoin discussion, gambling discussion etc, members rush to make a short comment just to reserve the first spot on the page, and after a while coming to edit it with the full text, this make no sense to me, and no signature campaign demands that you must be first to comment at least none that I know.

The effects of this is that, it limits readers from seeing your original thoughts on the topic because at first glance you see something like straight forward answer like (really), and when edited to contain the full text the reader may not come back to that thread again.

This happens mostly with those in signature campaign and I think there is need for readjustment, no need reserving comments space to appear on the first page.

If there is any thread on this issue already please let me know to lock this one.

This has nothing to do with signature campaign, rather it is a habit practiced by many people and it is not really that cool. There was a time I quoted someone's post, later the person came back and edited the post only for my comment to turn off point. Assuming that when a post is quoted, when it is edited, it should reflect on the part that have been quoted, that would have been fine.

As long as there is an edit button, I don't think there is anything the admin can do about this, it is a habit that we will only advice people to avoid.

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Quote from: Nwada001 on May 23, 2024, 05:34:22 PM

For the record, editing a post and rushing to be in the first comment are not only with those in the signature campaign; they are characters of those who believe the first comment always attracts merit; they might not even be in the signature yet or have enough rank to be in one.

Well said I wanted to generalized the statement to includes all forum members, but from my part I only noticed that from signature wearers and none from a newbies, although this doesn't exclude them from this also newbies and other none signature wearers can do so too.

Quote from: hosseinimr93 on May 23, 2024, 05:42:48 PM

This has happened to me several times.
Someone makes the first reply with a short answer and then I make the second reply to give a more detailed answer to OP. Once I submit my post, I see the first reply has been edited and now it's like that I have repeated the same thing. Sometimes, I decide to delete my post, because it doesn't really add anything to the thread.

This have limited alot of other forum members from contributing their sincere thoughts to such discussions, because it's a pain in the ass to see your comment being a repetition of another members who posted ahead of you.

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Quote from: Ojima-ojo on May 23, 2024, 05:25:13 PM

This happens mostly with those in signature campaign and I think there is need for readjustment, no need reserving comments space to appear on the first page.

I noticed it too, and i think its not about reserving to appear on first page but to catch up the time of the day for the user to manage the time gap of their posting activity since posting with several minutes gap can be considered as spamming/bursting.
Usually you can see it on those signature campaign with no maximum post requirements.

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